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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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Arden is 100% the GPU in Scarlett. Anyone w/ $20 and an xbox can see that. The D3D driver for scarlett is ..._arden.dll
Ybarra prob got into some heat over his Twitter activity seeing as he was a senior exec. This is all conjecture but I think he maybe got into it with Phil at some point as he was quiet after the dust up. Soon after announcing he was leaving for Blizzard. Either that or he's playing a great role as a mole preparing for a Blizzard acquisition 🤣
Actually I think not.
As Gamechanger87 said Brad Sams says it's the power port like XoX has:
The render Brad posted is terrible.. the port is way too small, looks like a USB-C port with room for the cable to fit in. It should be bigger than the ethernet port.
Agreed. If they were to cost the same, then I could understand someone being disappointed. What I can't understand, however, is the zero-sum mentality which seems so common.
Doesn't USB PD (and even TB3) top out at 100W? That wouldn't be enough for a console.
Exactly...he says the power port is exactly the same as the XB1X. To me, it doesn't look like a USB port in the slightest...it's an oval shape. Anyway, even if it was a power-brick, I dunno why people dislike them so much? Personally I would prefer to keep the heat from the power supply out of the main box, but that's just me.
I disagree, but that's just me.
You are paying for surface area. If the chip is the same size as chips in existing boxes, then it doesn't matter what's inside the chip. And the size determines many other factors (case, cooling, etc).
And we still don't know how much memory is on these machines, or the size of the SSD. If these have 12-16GB of GDDR6 and 1tb SSD or less, then you have a very manageable launch BOM with a roadmap to get to $0 loss.
IMO too much analysis is done on what PC parts costs. My speculation that Sony would be 8-9TFLOPS was derived from hitting a $399 price.
But that's just my experience. Lots of things could have changed.
ah thanks, this would be greatActually I think not.
As Gamechanger87 said Brad Sams says it's the power port like XoX has:
The render Brad posted is terrible.. the port is way too small, looks like a USB-C port with room for the cable to fit in. It should be bigger than the ethernet port.
What I don't understand is the "I don't care about 3D audio, haptic controllers are worthless, and a faster SSD is meaningless and wasteful, " nonsense.
THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE TERAFLOPS.
He writes 3 times in 3 paragraphs that it doesn't have USB-C ports
USB SuperSpeed is USB3.0 btw
My gawd, imagine that, Ybarra, 007. Secretly stil waiting for the right time to bend the will of Kotick, and sell to MS.
Is that really how these things work?
I always thought that you also pay for the tech inside the chip.
So in terms of just graphics, at 9TF we should be looking at a leap somewhat comparable to PS3->PS4, and then enhancements to game design with the SSD and CPU? That doesn't sound bad at all.
Cheers as usual for your input, Albert.
The way they are rolling out the info into launch for the XSX seems to be a wee bit different compared to what you would have went through with the XB1 launch, lol.
that's an irrelevant fixed cost. The important cost is how many useful chips you can make at a time
Re-rendered the power port more to scale and to reflect the type of port it is, 30 second job in MS paint lol
Should be an internal PSU then; no power brick.
Same as the cable for PS3/PS4/Xbox One S/Xbox One S
Which I think maxes out at 275watts.
edit: Nope, was misled, it's like 1000+ watts
Should be an internal PSU then; no power brick.
Same as the cable for PS3/PS4/Xbox One S/Xbox One S
edit: Nope, was misled, it's like 1000+ watts
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Yeah it's not USB-C, it's just the standard
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From the perspective of the BOM, yes.
I don't want to get into the business relationships and how these things are funded, but if you're focused on how the console manufactures look at pricing and profitability, you pay for a giant sheet of wafers. Some of them are good, some of them are bad. How many working wafers you get off that sheet is how you price the chip.
Bigger chip = less wafers = more cost.
Smaller chip = more wafers (also better yields) = less cost.
The technology that's actually inside the chip is largely irrelevant to the costs at the scale of consoles. That's why PC price parts analogies don't work.
To be fair, getting to see the PS5 logo and know what consists of back ports on Series X was more than I expected for CES 2020.
If this is real, then the motherboard is in the center and uses both sides?Re-rendered the power port more to scale and to reflect the type of port it is, 30 second job in MS paint lol
Should be an internal PSU then; no power brick.
Same as the cable for PS3/PS4/Xbox One S/Xbox One S
Which I think maxes out at 275watts.
Also, that vaguely SSD sized hole is interesting...
This is not how I imagined it.. at all.
I wish pharma companies would adopt this model.
Very true. However, that's what's fun about watching from the outside - see new approaches and how the industry responds. I think they are doing a really good job so far, even if I may have done it differently.
Well not exactly - if the surface area is the same the wafer price and yields may make a 7nm more expensive than the same sized 16 or 28nm chip.
But yeah it's a license + manufacturing cost and retail pricing of GPUs is irrelevant
Is it within the realm of possibility that MS could use chips that don't meet requirements for XSX in Azure as general compute resources or as a lower powered spec in xCloud, possibly around the specs of a rumored Lockhart?
Hey, just wanted to say that it's so cool that you're stopping by here! :)
ps Please don't forget Sweden this time... We had to wait almost a full year for the XB1 launch :/
Would the absence of a USB C port in anyway compromise the consoles ability to cater to the Elite Series 2 controller? That uses USB C and is supposed to be compatible with the Series X.
Too wide, unless they have a special enclosure.The big one is the NVMe slot, isn't it?
I wasn't comparing 7nm to 16nm. You are right that as nodes shrink, manufacturing goes up (IIRC 16nm was the last time it was projected to be cheaper).
That said, the point still stands that what you are paying for is the number of usable chips you get from a sheet, regardless of what actual technology is inside that chip. That development effort was paid for separately.
Is there a reason when people speculate that between the ps5 and xsx they always give the cpu clock lower for the ps5?
You're asking the guy who launched 3 Xbox consoles how the cost of consoles works?
Isn't that like huge news? If there are unexpected peformance gains in 7nm and mobile it will be pretty significant for the consoles, no?
Why would it? The Xbox One does't have a USB C port either.
Yeah that's weird. I think the ideal for both next gen would be two traditional USB ports and 2 USBC ones. Two C on the front would be perfect.
Re-rendered the power port more to scale and to reflect the type of port it is, 30 second job in MS paint lol
Should be an internal PSU then; no power brick.
Same as the cable for PS3/PS4/Xbox One S/Xbox One S
Which I think maxes out at 275watts.
I think that cable goes to 2.5A @ 250v so should be plenty of watts
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