What if oberon and Arden are just gpus being tested before being put into an apu?
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Did he leave Microsoft unceremoniously? Seems weird for him to throw shade at his former team so publicly like that. You'd think a simple "both are great" would get thrown in somewhere there.
Sony definitely isn't waiting 6 more months to announce the thing and show it off. I'd be stunned if we haven't seen the box by March.
Still a very pretty game Killzone Shadowfall.The beaten, dead and buried pre-disney Star Wars 1313
Edit: Here's the KZSF level for comparison:
Actually I think not.
Agreed. If they were to cost the same, then I could understand someone being disappointed. What I can't understand, however, is the zero-sum mentality which seems so common.I have no problem if PS5 is 33% less powerful as a whole (which will be difficult to measure). I have a problem if they are on the same price.
Ports I can tell
2x USB
1x USB C
1x HDMI
1x Ethernet.
What are the rest?
Doesn't USB PD (and even TB3) top out at 100W? That wouldn't be enough for a console.
For what it's worth, a 9-10TF console is not $399. It's $499. A bunch of folks here live in some warped reality when it comes to pricing but don't let that warp your expectations.
PS5 at 9-10TF with an SSD and a good CPU isn't going to be $399 unless Sony is taking upwards of a $200 loss per console.
ah thanks, this would be greatActually I think not.
As Gamechanger87 said Brad Sams says it's the power port like XoX has:
The render Brad posted is terrible.. the port is way too small, looks like a USB-C port with room for the cable to fit in. It should be bigger than the ethernet port.
What I don't understand is the "I don't care about 3D audio, haptic controllers are worthless, and a faster SSD is meaningless and wasteful, " nonsense.Agreed. If they were to cost the same, then I could understand someone being disappointed. What I can't understand, however, is the zero-sum mentality which seems so common.
How do you know that's power?
Looks like how a lot of USB-C ports look, with room to fir the shielding around the port itself so that it's really secured.
But yeah could be custom USB-C-ish power port I guess.
As it stands right now, the series X features, on the back of the hardware, two USB-A ports (of the SuperSpeed variety), ethernet, a single HDMI port, optical audio, and a power connection. There is also another port on the back that may be used for debugging but there wasn't an agreement on the nature of its functionality. The image at the top of this post shows a basic outline of how those ports appear on the actual hardware.
Also, on the back of the device are openings for air intake as well; all of the ports are located on the lower half of the hardware. Keep in mind, there is also a USB-A port on the front of the console but for now, it looks like Microsoft is sticking with the older USB style port.
I do wish that the series X would use Type-C as that is where the market is headed and is more user-friendly but that's not currently be used on the early hardware iterations. As always, these ports could change before release but that's what I am hearing the series X is using today.
My gawd, imagine that, Ybarra, 007. Secretly stil waiting for the right time to bend the will of Kotick, and sell to MS.Ybarra prob got into some heat over his Twitter activity seeing as he was a senior exec. This is all conjecture but I think he maybe got into it with Phil at some point as he was quiet after the dust up. Soon after announcing he was leaving for Blizzard. Either that or he's playing a great role as a mole preparing for a Blizzard acquisition 🤣
Is that really how these things work?I disagree, but that's just me.
You are paying for surface area. If the chip is the same size as chips in existing boxes, then it doesn't matter what's inside the chip. And the size determines many other factors (case, cooling, etc).
And we still don't know how much memory is on these machines, or the size of the SSD. If these have 12-16GB of GDDR6 and 1tb SSD or less, then you have a very manageable launch BOM with a roadmap to get to $0 loss.
IMO too much analysis is done on what PC parts costs. My speculation that Sony would be 8-9TFLOPS was derived from hitting a $399 price.
But that's just my experience. Lots of things could have changed.
That's the power.
There is no USB C at this time.
At least with an external power brick, MS can have somewhere to hide the second GPU again.
I disagree, but that's just me.
You are paying for surface area. If the chip is the same size as chips in existing boxes, then it doesn't matter what's inside the chip. And the size determines many other factors (case, cooling, etc).
And we still don't know how much memory is on these machines, or the size of the SSD. If these have 12-16GB of GDDR6 and 1tb SSD or less, then you have a very manageable launch BOM with a roadmap to get to $0 loss.
IMO too much analysis is done on what PC parts costs. My speculation that Sony would be 8-9TFLOPS was derived from hitting a $399 price.
But that's just my experience. Lots of things could have changed.
Is that really how these things work?
I always thought that you also pay for the tech that made the chip possible.
Yeah it's not USB-C, it's just the standardDoesn't USB PD (and even TB3) top out at 100W? That wouldn't be enough for a console.
Is that really how these things work?
I always thought that you also pay for the tech that made the chip possible.
If this is real, then the motherboard is in the center and uses both sides?Re-rendered the power port more to scale and to reflect the type of port it is, 30 second job in MS paint lol
Should be an internal PSU then; no power brick.
Same as the cable for PS3/PS4/Xbox One S/Xbox One S
Which I think maxes out at 275watts.
This is not how I imagined it.. at all.that's an irrelevant fixed cost. The important cost is how many useful chips you can make at a time
Cheers as usual for your input, Albert.
The way they are rolling out the info into launch for the XSX seems to be a wee bit different compared to what you would have went through with the XB1 launch, lol.
Exactly...he says the power port is exactly the same as the XB1X. To me, it doesn't look like a USB port in the slightest...it's an oval shape. Anyway, even if it was a power-brick, I dunno why people dislike them so much? Personally I would prefer to keep the heat from the power supply out of the main box, but that's just me.
that's an irrelevant fixed cost. The important cost is how many useful chips you can make at a time
I disagree, but that's just me.
You are paying for surface area. If the chip is the same size as chips in existing boxes, then it doesn't matter what's inside the chip. And the size determines many other factors (case, cooling, etc).
And we still don't know how much memory is on these machines, or the size of the SSD. If these have 12-16GB of GDDR6 and 1tb SSD or less, then you have a very manageable launch BOM with a roadmap to get to $0 loss.
IMO too much analysis is done on what PC parts costs. My speculation that Sony would be 8-9TFLOPS was derived from hitting a $399 price.
But that's just my experience. Lots of things could have changed.
Yeah but what do you know /sI disagree, but that's just me.
You are paying for surface area. If the chip is the same size as chips in existing boxes, then it doesn't matter what's inside the chip. And the size determines many other factors (case, cooling, etc).
And we still don't know how much memory is on these machines, or the size of the SSD. If these have 12-16GB of GDDR6 and 1tb SSD or less, then you have a very manageable launch BOM with a roadmap to get to $0 loss.
IMO too much analysis is done on what PC parts costs. My speculation that Sony would be 8-9TFLOPS was derived from hitting a $399 price.
But that's just my experience. Lots of things could have changed.
Bigger chip = less wafers = more cost.
Smaller chip = more wafers (also better yields) = less cost.
Hey, just wanted to say that it's so cool that you're stopping by here! :)From the perspective of the BOM, yes.
I don't want to get into the business relationships and how these things are funded, but if you're focused on how the console manufactures look at pricing and profitability, you pay for a giant sheet of wafers. Some of them are good, some of them are bad. How many working wafers you get off that sheet is how you price the chip.
Bigger chip = less wafers = more cost.
Smaller chip = more wafers (also better yields) = less cost.
The technology that's actually inside the chip is largely irrelevant to the costs at the scale of consoles. That's why PC price parts analogies don't work.
Too wide, unless they have a special enclosure.
Well not exactly - if the surface area is the same the wafer price and yields may make a 7nm more expensive than the same sized 16 or 28nm chip.
But yeah it's a license + manufacturing cost and retail pricing of GPUs is irrelevant
Is that really how these things work?
I always thought that you also pay for the tech inside the chip.
Isn't that like huge news? If there are unexpected peformance gains in 7nm and mobile it will be pretty significant for the consoles, no?
Would the absence of a USB C port in anyway compromise the consoles ability to cater to the Elite Series 2 controller? That uses USB C and is supposed to be compatible with the Series X.
Yeah that's weird. I think the ideal for both next gen would be two traditional USB ports and 2 USBC ones. Two C on the front would be perfect.
Re-rendered the power port more to scale and to reflect the type of port it is, 30 second job in MS paint lol
Should be an internal PSU then; no power brick.
Same as the cable for PS3/PS4/Xbox One S/Xbox One S
Which I think maxes out at 275watts.