Klee already said February.If the reddit guy is legit, that means a ps meeting some time in early february?
Klee already said February.If the reddit guy is legit, that means a ps meeting some time in early february?
This wouldn't be the first time I've seen you get your hands on this kind of information, so it's not a stretch to believe you did it again this generation.
This wouldn't be the first time I've seen you get your hands on this kind of information, so it's not a stretch to believe you did it again this generation.
I am sticking by my very scientifically proven theory.
Oh damn I like this. Sony bout to win our hearts on V day 😂I am sticking by my very scientifically proven theory.
February 14th 2020. 14 tf 2020 mhz.
Valentine's Day. PS V
I am sticking by my very scientifically proven theory.
February 14th 2020. 14 tf 2020 mhz.
Valentine's Day. PS V
Noob question - why is running a graphics processor at 2GHz considered risky when CPUs can easily run at this frequency?
Noob question - why is running a graphics processor at 2GHz considered risky when CPUs can easily run at this frequency?
not only is this a good post questioning things in a logical way that makes sense but it is also a good summary of the PS5 rumors/highlight info all in a single bullet summarySince you snuck this in at the end of the last OT, figured i'd respond here. There are some reasons NOT to put weight into the Github leak
There are 3 reasons to question the implications of the leaked documents:
1. They are full of mistakes and inaccuracies
However confident you are that PS5 is 36 CUs, must must be equally confident that Lockhart is 56CUs. Or the other way around, how ever skeptical you are that these leaks confirm Lockhart is 56CUs, you must be equally skeptical these leaks confirm PS5 is 36CUs.
- There are files in wrong folders, there are sub folders and wrong folders. Again, when people say these are legitimate, they mean that this is what is legitimately in the files, not that the files are correct or accurate all the time.
- The biggest issue is that they claim Spakrman (Lockhart) is 56CUs. Every reason you have to believe Oberon is PS5, you have to believe that Sparkman is Lockhart. Sparkman BC mode indicates it can replicate a One S.
2. The leaks if taken at face value, fly in the face of every credible insider we have, including develeper sources and industry sources, that say the Series X and PS5 are very close in power.
So, Actual insiders who actually know about the target specs of the PS5 and Xbox Series X (rather than drawing conclusions from indirect and uncontextualized data points) with a network of sources (instead of an interns notepad) are saying something to the contrary of what the leak indicates at face value.
- We've had Jason Schreier News Editor of Kotaku, Andrew Reiner Executive Editor at Game Informer, Our own Mods, and Vetted industry insider and veteran Klee, and other insiders all say the consoles are close in power.
- They specifically claim PS5 and Scarlett were close in power according to those sources. And All of that is in the same time window these leaks are from, which according to DF is the point where it's too late to make changes. None of them have come out and said the the tables have turned. The Github leaks are new to us, but they are actually older than the leaks we've gotten from insiders.
3. The documents, if taken at face value, don't pass the sniff test, and an alternative makes more sense
The leaks makes little sense as the Full PS5 hardware, indicating you shouldn't take it as a certainty of the PS5s total performance, and a lot of sense that it's a boost mode PS4 Pro compatibility test so that possibility can't be dismissed.
- The test were done without VRR and RT, when we know that at the very least PS5 has RT. This means that the tests we have access to are not the full PS5 in at least one way.
- 36CUs at 2GHz, is not a reasonable way to hit 9.2TFs, if that's the target. Every bit of historical and contextual data we have for consoles points to a wide and slow approach to console APUs. Efficiencies, Thermals, Cooling Costs, and reliability have all proven to be reasons that trump a lower sized and faster APU. Why would Sony feel any different? What technology would change the equation? I'm not aware of any, so I don't expect that approach to change.
- 36CUs would also make this the smallest APU Sony has made in a decade. In a world where Sony is dominating in terms of sales and profitability, where they've come out and aid that PS5 is going to be Niche product aimed at the hardcore who what the best and latest, where that is corroborated by their rumoured bleeding edge SSD tech, a small APU doesn't make sense.
- Digital Foundry Stated in the article that many BC test are being done. If that's true, this could be a BC test right? Well, what would that look like. Presumably, they would want to test a Native PS4 mode, a PS4 Pro mode, and like the PS4 Pro had.... A PS4 Pro Boost mode. What would the Boost mode test look like?
- A PS4 Pro Boost mode compatibility test would look like this: Exactly the same CUs as the PS4 Pro, An unlocked "full" clock, no RT or VRS hardware activated. What do we have in the leak? 36CUs (exactly the same as the PS4 Pro), 2Ghz, the rumoured full clock of the PS5, No RT and no VRS indicated.
You mean Richard Leadbetter came along, that guy was very XBO leaning in the past console war (people who come from the old site probably remember this).
I am sticking by my very scientifically proven theory.
February 14th 2020. 14 tf 2020 mhz.
Valentine's Day. PS V
I am sticking by my very scientifically proven theory.
February 14th 2020. 14 tf 2020 mhz.
Valentine's Day. PS V
I am sticking by my very scientifically proven theory.
February 14th 2020. 14 tf 2020 mhz.
Valentine's Day. PS V
You mean Richard Leadbetter came along, that guy was very XBO leaning in the past console war (people who come from the old site probably remember this).
This post should be getting more attention.Since you snuck this in at the end of the last OT, figured i'd respond here. There are some reasons NOT to put weight into the Github leak
There are 3 reasons to question the implications of the leaked documents:
1. They are full of mistakes and inaccuracies
However confident you are that PS5 is 36 CUs, must must be equally confident that Lockhart is 56CUs. Or the other way around, how ever skeptical you are that these leaks confirm Lockhart is 56CUs, you must be equally skeptical these leaks confirm PS5 is 36CUs.
- There are files in wrong folders, there are sub folders and wrong folders. Again, when people say these are legitimate, they mean that this is what is legitimately in the files, not that the files are correct or accurate all the time.
- The biggest issue is that they claim Spakrman (Lockhart) is 56CUs. Every reason you have to believe Oberon is PS5, you have to believe that Sparkman is Lockhart. Sparkman BC mode indicates it can replicate a One S.
2. The leaks if taken at face value, fly in the face of every credible insider we have, including develeper sources and industry sources, that say the Series X and PS5 are very close in power.
So, Actual insiders who actually know about the target specs of the PS5 and Xbox Series X (rather than drawing conclusions from indirect and uncontextualized data points) with a network of sources (instead of an interns notepad) are saying something to the contrary of what the leak indicates at face value.
- We've had Jason Schreier News Editor of Kotaku, Andrew Reiner Executive Editor at Game Informer, Our own Mods, and Vetted industry insider and veteran Klee, and other insiders all say the consoles are close in power.
- They specifically claim PS5 and Scarlett were close in power according to those sources. And All of that is in the same time window these leaks are from, which according to DF is the point where it's too late to make changes. None of them have come out and said the the tables have turned. The Github leaks are new to us, but they are actually older than the leaks we've gotten from insiders.
3. The documents, if taken at face value, don't pass the sniff test, and an alternative makes more sense
The leaks makes little sense as the Full PS5 hardware, indicating you shouldn't take it as a certainty of the PS5s total performance, and a lot of sense that it's a boost mode PS4 Pro compatibility test so that possibility can't be dismissed.
- The test were done without VRR and RT, when we know that at the very least PS5 has RT. This means that the tests we have access to are not the full PS5 in at least one way.
- 36CUs at 2GHz, is not a reasonable way to hit 9.2TFs, if that's the target. Every bit of historical and contextual data we have for consoles points to a wide and slow approach to console APUs. Efficiencies, Thermals, Cooling Costs, and reliability have all proven to be reasons that trump a lower sized and faster APU. Why would Sony feel any different? What technology would change the equation? I'm not aware of any, so I don't expect that approach to change.
- 36CUs would also make this the smallest APU Sony has made in a decade. In a world where Sony is dominating in terms of sales and profitability, where they've come out and aid that PS5 is going to be Niche product aimed at the hardcore who what the best and latest, where that is corroborated by their rumoured bleeding edge SSD tech, a small APU doesn't make sense.
- Digital Foundry Stated in the article that many BC test are being done. If that's true, this could be a BC test right? Well, what would that look like. Presumably, they would want to test a Native PS4 mode, a PS4 Pro mode, and like the PS4 Pro had.... A PS4 Pro Boost mode. What would the Boost mode test look like?
- A PS4 Pro Boost mode compatibility test would look like this: Exactly the same CUs as the PS4 Pro, An unlocked "full" clock, no RT or VRS hardware activated. What do we have in the leak? 36CUs (exactly the same as the PS4 Pro), 2Ghz, the rumoured full clock of the PS5, No RT and no VRS indicated.
40cu 2ghz devkit. Old info. Retail will be 36cu 2ghz like leak said.
I am sticking by my very scientifically proven theory.
February 14th 2020. 14 tf 2020 mhz.
Valentine's Day. PS V
Cool cu there too brotha :)#think
What was the content of the GITHUB leak about for PS5 silicon?
BC regression testing
What does BC testing tell us about RT and other secret sauce on the chip?
Nothing, because hw RT was not a thing this gen as much as other new technologies may find their way into the new silicon. You don't test something you need no BC for in those tests
What does that all mean?
RT and other secret sauce were always part of those tested chips. Burry those unfinished silicon theories.
Will not respond to comments that referencing this here.
Have a good start into 2020! Cu there.
PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT10| - teraflops or bust
Conference starts with this song, showing us new games. LoVe the game, LoVe the player.
this should have been the OTWe aim to transition those in OT8 to OT9 at a pace never seen before. :)
there were native tests as well beyond the BC regression testing and it was likely too early at that date for fixed function VRS and RTRT hardware, as Komachi had yet to detect any in June. That's why I suggest it was not final silicon.#think
What was the content of the GITHUB leak about for PS5 silicon?
BC regression testing
What does BC testing tell us about RT and other secret sauce on the chip?
Nothing, because hw RT was not a thing this gen as much as other new technologies may find their way into the new silicon. You don't test something you need no BC for in those tests
What does that all mean?
RT and other secret sauce were always part of those tested chips. Burry those unfinished silicon theories.
Will not respond to comments that referencing this here.
Have a good start into 2020! Cu there.
With all the pie in the sky here, I wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 ran inside a singularity
This is becoming embarrassing.You mean Richard Leadbetter came along, that guy was very XBO leaning in the past console war (people who come from the old site probably remember this).
You mean Richard Leadbetter came along, that guy was very XBO leaning in the past console war (people who come from the old site probably remember this).
Last post.Your getting worked for nothing. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your previous posts paint a narrative for the different demographics who outside of this forum will be buying these new consoles.
I am sticking by my very scientifically proven theory.
February 14th 2020. 14 tf 2020 mhz.
Valentine's Day. PS V
WowYou mean Richard Leadbetter came along, that guy was very XBO leaning in the past console war (people who come from the old site probably remember this).
You mean Richard Leadbetter came along, that guy was very XBO leaning in the past console war (people who come from the old site probably remember this).
lol. All good fun but I hope that isn't the date as I would then start suspecting someone at Sony has it in for Media Molecule!
First there was the Wired article on April 16th when Dreams early access released and now you propose February 14th the date of Dreams full release.
Overshadowed twice by PS5 :(
Noob question - why is running a graphics processor at 2GHz considered risky when CPUs can easily run at this frequency?
Thanks lol! Probably a little early and will be forgotten about but I found it amusing in my head. Hopefully both will be 10+!
It's a pretty good bet they will be up against 3 months of all the 1st party release games included with the xsx (gamepass) - thats a huge value proposition imo.
Why the reaction?, is it because I said "past console war"? what better way to describe the current (and soon to be last) system gen battle?, I didn't use it in an inciendary manner so I don't get all of the "gasp!" reactions to my post. *shrugs*
Of course, it would be a real surprise if the retail version lacked CU redundancy.I don't think that fact .
He just using a current AMD GPU at 40CU @2Ghz as what in the dev kit .
Which would be 4CU less then what people saying PS5 has.
Thinking Digital Foundry is, or was, biased into anything other than 60fps games is a really hot take (and extremely wrong, IMO).Why the reaction?, is it because I said "past console war"? what better way to describe the current (and soon to be last) system gen battle?, I didn't use it in an inciendary manner so I don't get all of the "gasp!" reactions to my post. *shrugs*
One question I wish Klee could come in here and answer right now: Did Sony screw up badly in their plans for the PS5, or will everything about their plan make sense and look brilliant when the final specs are revealed?I'll just go on record saying I remain on team Kleegamefan - double digits 'till the end. I think my first (tales from my ass) prediction in March was 12 TF which has hit at least once so I plan to stick with that.
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Welcome. And good luck. Because you just laid this out in the next gen thread.Long time lurker( really long!) first time poster! Beta Games is a placeholder for our studio, which btw just officially became Cesium Studios!! My team and I are super excited and really looking forward to next gen while being a part of ResetEra!! The community here is amazing and although things are a little bit crazy because of recent events, we feel there's no better place where passionate gamers can come together and express their love for our particular art form....video games!!! There's a few things left for our studio to do to become fully operational that will take time but afterwards we will go through the verification process with the administrators and moderators. Once that process is complete, we have a huge surprise for the ResetEra community!!
Long time lurker( really long!) first time poster! Beta Games is a placeholder for our studio, which btw just officially became Cesium Studios!! My team and I are super excited and really looking forward to next gen while being a part of ResetEra!! The community here is amazing and although things are a little bit crazy because of recent events, we feel there's no better place where passionate gamers can come together and express their love for our particular art form....video games!!! There's a few things left for our studio to do to become fully operational that will take time but afterwards we will go through the verification process with the administrators and moderators. Once that process is complete, we have a huge surprise for the ResetEra community!!