would you be happy that they said select titles will work? because that literally the language microsoft uses.
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This is basically a fanfic with no substantiation behind it. No patches? No dev work? Perfect VM? Catch up? As far as we know, this might just be down to Sony's PR being more conservative than MS's.
It was never about games being available. All games will be available for BC day one, it's just that some of them won't be playable i.e. will have issues. They've run tests on the top 100 and they'll run tests on the rest of the games to spot what needs to be tweaked to make them work.
AT LAUNCH
That's what people are asking about; this statement didn't even use the words "at launch" and did not add any information about what will be ready at launch.
It does, slightly. I don't remember if it was VG Tech or NX Gamer, but one of them actually measured it and found boost mode reduced frame pacing issues by something like 20-30%.
Isn't it clear? Xbox One, Xbox 360, and original Xbox support is incredibly appealing.
It took them like less than 48 hours to address it, I wouldn't call that a very long wait.
you know what you are right. i cant wait till all this is over by november and/or when sony has a playstation meeting of some kind to show it all on the table. I feel like we are reaching religious zealot levels of reading the bible in how people are interpreting things.
Why would not all PS4 titles work? Why are people content with "an overwhelming majority" and not every single game?
What I'd like:
-Increased resolution across the board
-Increased or completely stabilized framerate across the board (past 60fps if possible)
-Enhanced AA and other processing effects
What we may end up getting that I would be satisfied with:
-Games that ran at dynamic resolution on PS4/Pro are now constantly running at those max resolutions
-Games that had trouble maintaining framerates now are way more stable, if not locked at their target max of 30 or 60
-Option to upscale games to 4K or 8K depending on your set
In either case I have a feeling there may be an option given to devs to patch their PS4 games to be slightly more "forward compatible" with the PS5, IE: a mode that will detect a higher GPU clockspeed, more memory, unlock the framerate or remove the cap, etc. So it will still be a "PS4 Game" but when it runs on a PS5 it can get along with PS5 a little better.
-Increased resolution across the board
-Increased or completely stabilized framerate across the board (past 60fps if possible)
-Enhanced AA and other processing effects
What we may end up getting that I would be satisfied with:
-Games that ran at dynamic resolution on PS4/Pro are now constantly running at those max resolutions
-Games that had trouble maintaining framerates now are way more stable, if not locked at their target max of 30 or 60
-Option to upscale games to 4K or 8K depending on your set
In either case I have a feeling there may be an option given to devs to patch their PS4 games to be slightly more "forward compatible" with the PS5, IE: a mode that will detect a higher GPU clockspeed, more memory, unlock the framerate or remove the cap, etc. So it will still be a "PS4 Game" but when it runs on a PS5 it can get along with PS5 a little better.
Hopefully Life of Black Tiger can be played on PS5.
Actually hopefully not, that would kinda make up for it being allowed on the store in the first place.
Actually hopefully not, that would kinda make up for it being allowed on the store in the first place.
What they are doing is quite different and more complex than that. They are using deep learning,
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This is possible because of the 97 tops (int4/int8) that their GPU offers for running machine learning inference neural network models.
infact the only TV doing something similar is the 8k Samsung that uses a neural net processor and costs tens of thousands of dollars.
Does that version of VRR work better with ~30fps? I recall the current implementation on Xbox only working well with games in the 40-60 range and not really making an impact on stuff like Dark Souls 3 which has the same issue as Bloodborne.
Where do they say that all games are going to be playable, possibly with issues, at launch ?
I really want to refrain from coming off as rude but do we really need to be this obtuse? Sony has tested hundreds of games for boost compatibility and they said they will be testing thousands (I.E. essentially the whole library) to see if any adjustments need to be made whether it's to get BC running smoothly or to properly enable boost mode. There is literally no indication that there will be significant limitations in the games available at launch beside fearmongering because the exact words some people want to see haven't been used yet.
Is it possible based on the wording that there will be a limited amount of games that are BC at launch? I suppose. But there is absolutely no reason to take that odd leap of logic. None.
I found the source. NX Gamer actually measured it and found a roughly 30% reduction in frame pacing issues. Don't know why DF didn't collect any data on this.
(go to 3m10s if the link doesn't go straight there)
Playable, not available. You don't expect something to be available, you know it will either be or not.
Because its damn near impossible to promise 100% of everything. No BC is 100% compatible.
Even ps1 to ps2 bc had a small list of incompatible games.
They said this in multiple wired articles, Cerny this week, a blog post that was vague and now better explained and i'm still reading comments like "BuT tHeY aRE nOt VeRy ClEaR". Seriously...
Unless something changed for MS, I was under the impression ALL XBO titles will work as well as ALL titles currently released to the BC program. The only thing I don't recall is if it was at launch or not. I'm pretty sure someone could once again bug the MS twitter for answers and they'll get them. MS, Spencer, and Nelson were criticized this entire generation whenever they made a statement and people called it PR speak, but the messages lately have been crystal fucking clear.
Even the PS2 and PS3 BC promo never said they played all previous games. MS also doesn't straight out says "yes you can play 100% of all games from previous generations". It's them being cautious since there's thousands of them and in case some don't work.
Well, we know Cerny lied about raytracing. /s
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They have made no statements about what percentage of games need modification, what those modifications entail, etc.
They've said it's complex, that the boost is massive and breaks things, and that they expected to get "most of their top 100 games" ready by launch. How is it obtuse to interpret these vague statements as not being very certain of how many games will be ready at launch?
An why are you calling it "boost compatability"? They did not describe this as some separate type of compatibility; this is just BC.. there is no non-boost BC that they've mentioned.
It depends. Does FF VIIR never go above 1640p (that we've seen) because it's literally capped at that level? Or does it not go higher because there's never any more headroom, the console is maxed out? Maybe on PS5 it could go all the way to 2160p without patching, because there was never a hard cap, just a soft one.
You'll only see improvements up to the cap without patching, though. It's just not always clear what the res cap is (framerate caps are more obvious).
Yup, I mentioned this in another thread, but this visual is clear.
It's wild because this is probably the key thing that told is it was related to the PS5.
To me, it looks like straight BC won't be that big of an issue.
Actually much more performance could solve the frame-pacing issues. That article was not thorough enough. They just played the game on Pro using the boost mode, noticed frame-pacing issues and said the boost mode didn't improve things and that was it.
When actually it did improve the problem. NXGamer did the same test and noticed (by counting the frame-pacing issues) that the frame-pacing had being somehow reduced by about 30% compared to base PS4. That's with just a 30% CPU boost and 17% GPU boost.
Imagine what can do a 110% CPU boost and 130% GPU boost on that game. It could resolve the problem completely.
This was /s
Cerny is the man.
They're just being conservative. Practically everything will work, but they can't guarantee there won't be bugs with, for instance, Just Dance 2014 and Alekhine's Gun. In which case, they cover their asses by saying "overwhelming majority".