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Proposed North Dakota bill to ban closed garden ecosystems, including consoles.
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That's not quite right. There's nothing to prevent North Dakota from implementing a law like this. Parts of the constitution which are proscriptive to the states spell that out explicitly (For example, the states cannot make their own fiat currencies). The commerce clause does give Congress power to supersede any such law passed by North Dakota, which does seem likely.
This would 100% happen. Just look at Google planning to shut down search in Australia.
Under this bill, if it ever became generally applicable, they would all continue to use the App Store. 100%. What they'd change is that they'd make apps that were shell apps (with short time limits or heavy feature restrictions) and take in-app payments through a non-Apple payment processor that gave the developer much closer to all of the payment.
Along with the option to use Apple's own payment system with a price that was somewhere around 50% higher
Same reason why they still use the Google play store and steam lmao
How exactly would you put a competing store on a console in the first place without using the company's devkits, tools, and their own store?
Steam and mobile App Store have like nothing in common.
I think people wouldn't trust buying an app directly from a website. I myself definitely wouldn't, and I would keep buying from the App Store. And the App Store also helps with visibility and other supports that you wouldn't have if you sold your app directly from your website. You'd have to do that all by yourself.
Wouldn't everyone make their game free, with an ingame payment system to unlock the full content ?
save your popcorn for something that actually matters. the ND state senate doesn't
This will go absolutely nowhere because regulating commerce in the United States is not in North Dakota's authority as a state, but even if it did, the only result would be that console manufacturers would stop selling consoles in North Dakota. There's like 80 people in North Dakota.
Either:
A) It works like current homebrew development except the platform holder has to make it easier to install from outside sources
B) It works how Tim Sweeney wants it where the platform holder has to provide the development infrastructure and host your store alongside their own.
You would still have the app store
You would just also have other OPTIONS to choose from
This does make me wonder though… what if someone else with an iPhone downloads, say, an SMS app from a bad actor that collects all the content of their texts. I wouldn't get to have any say in my data being collected there. I suppose I could just not text people not using iMessage but that doesn't feel right, either. I feel like there are legitimate security concerns here.
Plus I don't really like the idea of apps like Facebook being able to skirt Apple's new standard of displaying what data is being collected by an app.
ps: I think people who think that this means games would be cheaper on consoles are being way too optimistic. I think the more likely scenario is that publishers create their own competing storefronts and charge the same MSRP but collect a higher proportion of the profits. Which like yeah, good for them I guess, but no real net benefit to me as a consumer.
SMS isn't encrypted. Your phone company already collects the content of text messages.
Indeed, they're required to by law in most countries.
I know SMS isn't encrypted. But one benefit to messaging with another iPhone user is the near-mandatory usage of iMessage. Even if both people are using iMessage, wouldn't it be pretty easy for someone to downloading an un-vetted app that could sniff iMessage data on device? Or keystrokes?
Even if it passes (which it could, North Dakota's fucked up speaking as a former ND citizen), I see some lawyer using the commerce clause to get an injunction and eventually strike it. ND Supreme Court won't much love something like this.
I will never understand the false logic people use to make this seem like it would be a benefit to consoles. Even a cursory list of side effects show that it would have a horrible impact on console markets.
Seeing this bill seems to specifically not include game consoles, the thread title is inaccurate there's no great reason to discuss it on the Gaming forum.
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