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Project xCloud demo featuring Forza Horizon 4; public trials later this year
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Sure, but you can't disregard how unresponsive with the sticks it looks.
u keep hanging on to one instance of break meanwhile the rest of handling is with a noticeable delay . If the game plays like that then it was a bad decision for MS to choose this title to show how little lag there is since there are tons of it. hence a bad showing for the tech .thats what they are talking about.
It does not seem right her movements did not seem to match up, she does not even seem to be holding the trigger to accelerate (but I might be wrong!)
As an experiment I have just remote played DriveClub and there did not seem to be as much of disparity between my hand movement and what is presented on my phone screen, same with Dirt 4 on PS Now.
As an experiment I have just remote played DriveClub and there did not seem to be as much of disparity between my hand movement and what is presented on my phone screen, same with Dirt 4 on PS Now.
Haha, I just tested it while playing Forza Horizon 4. Cars don't respond that much when you lightly tap the stick like that. So now you are saying that 1 second of the clip was responsive, but the other 59 seconds were unresponsive? How does that work?
How can the braking be instant, but the steering not be?
even braking is not that instant.its better than rest(which is really bad) but nothing to write home about imo.
So, they had a sudden removal of lag when she hit the brake? How would that technically work?
My guess is you are mistaking handling with latency. Launch Forza Horizon 4 yourself and try driving the way she does. You'll see the result.
i mentioned this in the general "xbox studios thread" but this demo, and the way it was played (3rd person, flicking the sticks) literally could have been done specifically to make gauging lag very difficult. or, conversely, if it is fake (i think thats unlikely btw) this would be a way to play it and have it look close enough - since you cant for the most part see her controller input reflected on screen.
the braking is the best indicator we have that it was real AND that the lag looks fairly minimal
It's kind of funny that after it's shown that the video is real and that there really isn't much lag, the narrative has shifted to that it's bad marketing. It doesn't really matter how it looks in a video, all that matters is that it works because everyone is going to be able to try it for themselves.
a broken clock is correct twice a day ;). anyways you are entitled to your opinion as i am.to me it was a very bad showing . we agree to disagree. so lets not derail the thread.
u focus on 0.5 second of that demo while i focus on the other 59.5 second of the demo.our discussion is not aligned hence the derailing .anyways this is beta and it can be improved even if it is laggy(which we are not even sure about due to bad showing).
Still very much convinced this was fake, been watching all the clips and GIFs repeatedly and I can't see any point where her inputs convincingly match up to anything happening on-screen, so it's either acted or an extremely bad demo. They picked the worst possible game to show off this tech, though I suspect that was intentional; if they'd gone with a platformer or shooter, I imagine the latency and/or fakery would be much more obvious. Naturally I want this tech to actually work and for it to be useful, but on this occasion it really didn't show.
Alright. Let's focus on the other part of the demo. Could you tell me what second I have to look to see the noticeable latency? I don't see it.
I do see a terrible demo in regards to choice of game, choice of track and choice of player (No hard feelings Julia).
Do you agree that the braking lines up with her left hand movement at 3.54 in the video? There is some latency, but it's not that extreme. Faking that would be really difficult.
Yeah, if that's how the game controls normally then they should have used another game to showcase the service.
if you are not noticing how unresponsive the controller is,then i can not help you.sorry. they whole damn time it is so unresponsive to a degree that many believe its fake
Finally the big boys Microsoft and Google is about to deliver what true no latency game streaming is supposed to be. Can't wait.
1) thats because "the narrative" doesnt exist. you are equating many opinions and views as one.
2) of course it matters how it looks in a video. the point of announcing with a video is to show it off. you cant gauge much from off screen footage of a game being (purposely?) played to mask lag.
3) of course we'll get to play it ourselves and that will of course be the ultimate test
I don't think the control is unresponsive. I think the way she taps the sticks is how you can keep your car in a semi straight line in an arcade racing game like Forza Horizon 4. Your great friend is right:
The problem is that Forza Horizon isn't a great game to show this (or it is if they are afraid of showing latency) when driving on a relatively straight road.
OT but why is he my great friend? no offence to saint-14 but we rarely communicate lol
so if they chose this title to showcase it while knowing there is lag in controls, they made a bad decision.hence people called it not a great showing for a new tech
A little jab. ;)
Agree. Wonder if they chose it for the graphics. Or because it was a save option since the delay is still noticeable
There is not lag in the controls though.
And unless anyone can prove there is, it is just spreading misinformation.
The amount of latency in that demo is probably easier to see if you've used streaming services before.
I guess it's cool that they're showing off something that's realistic at the moment.
I guess it's cool that they're showing off something that's realistic at the moment.
I already see latency comparisons between cloud gaming services, becoming a regular topic on Digital Foundry.
Like I said earlier, the presentation was not handled well (aggravatingly so), but the actual responsiveness appears ok based on the brake lights:
It's MS. They always do fake demos. Just look at the Kinect trash.
Yeah its like a 4th of a second delayLike I said earlier, the presentation was not handled well (aggravatingly so), but the actual responsiveness appears ok based on the brake lights:
In forza when you turn, it's not 1.1, unless you make a sharp turn.
And this tech does work, PSNow and nvidia show this.
About in line with other streaming services then.
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I would do a "hard" frame count, but it's honestly really tricky seeing red-on-red without contrast from motion.
Respect to Julia Hardy if she managed to fake this:
Like I said earlier, the presentation was not handled well (aggravatingly so), but the actual responsiveness appears ok based on the brake lights:
Yes I think this shows with the other braking instances that it is not fake, but very laggy
That's pretty standard for all the streaming services, if they work outside of a LAN/WAN. It wouldn't be any less responsive than using a wireless mouse in that context.
Use the top brake light, it's red on black and much easier to see. I count 11 frames from when she clearly releases the trigger to when the brake light goes off. That's around 366ms latency since this is a 30fps video.
Assuming the brake light goes off the same time the car brakes.. :P
Like I said earlier, the presentation was not handled well (aggravatingly so), but the actual responsiveness appears ok based on the brake lights:
At least this proves team fake wrong.
It woudl be weird for MS not to have Scandinavia as one of the first places to launch it due to how fast Internet speeds here are and how Internet is basically seen as a human right here.
I see her hitting L trigger, and the car does slow down several beats after she does that, but I don't feel like this is enough to suggest she's in control tbh. I would say that this is the closest instance of any of her inputs matching up to the action on-screen, but there's still too much time between her hitting the button and the game responding for me to be convinced, sorry. Even if she was just blatantly mashing random buttons, at least a handful of them would appear to be in sync. The way she uses the controller is so erratic, I don't know anyone who plays Forza like that.
Sure, it's never going to be 1:1, that wouldn't be realistic, but there's at least some visible reaction to the analogue sticks; in this I can't see any at all.
Please no :P
Maybe there's something in her contract with GT Sport that means she has to play Forza like that.
A racing game is a very good test for streaming service so it will be interesting to see how it goes.
A racing game is a very good test for streaming service so it will be interesting to see how it goes.
A distant camera feed of a phone screen would do that.
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