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Project NX under development (Project M-esque mod for SSBU)
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anyone with a modded Switch who wants to try out a new take on Ultimate, like the myriad Brawl mods before it. Which included Project M, but also Brawl+, Brawl Minus, and Brawl Overdrive - other projects where the 'point' wasn't to reintroduce Melee-specific mechanics, but to expand the base Brawl experience in ways that the modders found fun and interesting.
I was being defensive as heck. I shat up that first page. I'll own up to that. It's just that I saw the title and knew that people would be in here shitting on everyone who plays Melee, using the knowledge that a few people out there are modding out Ultimate as justification. I knew that from experience.
I've played Melee for fifteen years. I've already put well over 100 hrs into Ultimate - it's easily my personal favorite Smash game, filled to the brim with characters I genuinely enjoy playing, even though many in my circle prefer to continue to play Melee, Project M, or one of the several indie-developed platform fighters that have been developed since then. I still play those games alongside Ultimate, too, and my circle still plays Ultimate alongside their preferred games. I will probably give this mod a try if Switch modding becomes more accessible, and I don't see that as a problem, or as evidence of a toxic outlook. And yet throughout the years I've felt like me and mine are unjustly considered inherently toxic for enjoying these Smash alternates or for insinuating that they could be preferrable to what Nintendo developed from anyone's perspective.
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Some people get crazy, yeah, but I think the root idea is that it's been really nice having a unified community. It's been great seeing Mango vs. Nairo, HBox vs. Zero, etc. There's a sense of camaraderie the community hasn't had in more than a decade.
So people are concerned it will go back to how it was, and a mod like this could be seen as either a symptom of or a catalyst to the re-splitting of the community.
I don't necessarily agree, but it's not an irrational thing to worry about if you've enjoyed the unity.
They're not really eye opening. They're just what you want to see, with no real appreciation of consequence, but you seem to generally just be disregarding the game as a whole if you think just some parameter edits would result in a good game.
Ultimate is already fast, speeding it up more in an engine that really isn't built for that in mind, is not some magic bullet that won't somehow result in stupid.
Really if anything you should explain why this is good first, since you made the thread not the other way around.
I know one thing. They can fuck off with changing snakes moveset again. His Tranq moveset In Project M was not to my liking at all. Especially with how easy it was to punish compared to other more versatile characters.
I can't see how this would possibly happen, considering that such a mod will be de facto banned from all streams, and thus it will never be as popular as SmashU.
If a mod could just remove the stupid buffering and aerial dodge delay that would improve ultimate by 100%.
I think the gameplay is the best in the series so far but the new mechanical tweaks since smash 4 kill me more often than not.
I think the gameplay is the best in the series so far but the new mechanical tweaks since smash 4 kill me more often than not.
GOOD! Can't wait for this to come out. SSBU is the best Smash since Melee but it's still not there mechanically and until Nintendo decides to top it, i guess it will up to fans to pick up the slack.
nobody is forcing you to play melee. what's it to you if some people think it's better?
I can see why project melee came to be since Brawl had some strange decisions but Ultimate needing one barely a month later? I wish him luck either way.
Yes, I understand this. Further proof of why the hardcore Melee audience is terrible.
I mean, yeah, sure, mods are cool and all, but you can't tell me with a straight face that this isn't a project that is trying to make Ultimate more like Melee with what their aims are. If people were trying to put Goku or Superman into Ultimate, I could be like yeah people are just having fun.
what's so terrible about it? you're coming across as the toxic one here honestly
Whatever, if that takes away from the Ultimate pool those who only complain that Brawl/4/Ultimate is not "Melee 2.0, glitchfest included" fine by me. If someone said to me that they are better in Project wharever my reply would be that they need to hack the game to be good.
How is this a bad thing?
How does this stop you from still enjoying Ultimate?
Dude, what. A fanbase is not one monolithic thing with one opinion. Like literally anything else, a lot of players like and dislike PM and the rest of the smash games to varying degrees. The Legend of Zelda is my favorite gaming series, but I think BotW is a bad game. Am I a toxic zelda fan? How is that any different? Modding the game in any variety of ways does not harm you and does not take away from anything else.
Super Turbo tournaments are held regularly every year.
I'm sure this will gain as much traction as the equivalent mods for Smash 4 did. The reason PM got so much traction is because it fixed a problem with Brawl. It was shit competitive wise. Smash 4 and Ultimate don't have that problem (save for bayo in 4 but that was a different problem). Ultimate did so much to make Smash more competitive. Best of luck to this team but I personally don't see this getting anywhere near the amount of push that PM did.
I'll give it a go when this is done though. Smash mods are always fun. I really can't wait for a bullshit unbalanced mod for Ultimate like Ch4os.
I'll give it a go when this is done though. Smash mods are always fun. I really can't wait for a bullshit unbalanced mod for Ultimate like Ch4os.
There has never been a drop off in core game mechanics in any fighting game like there was from Melee to Brawl.
It will happen at the same time people move on from Street Fighter 2.
In other words, never.
I don't really expect this to actually go anywhere whatsoever.
Moreover it feels extremely redundant at the time being, Project M kicked off so well for Brawl because a lot of people felt that the competitive aspect of the game was getting exhausted, and the game being extremely rough around the edges. Not to mention it was easy to push for it given how easy the modding tools were for the game. Ultimate has barely even scratched the surface of what's achievable, and I think trying to stifle that right now, this early, really does make it seem like a reactionary case of "this isn't Melee".
There's never going to be another project the scale of Project M again, and if this actually does end up growing, expect Nintendo to shut it down pretty handily. People are best off not pursuing those phantoms.
Moreover it feels extremely redundant at the time being, Project M kicked off so well for Brawl because a lot of people felt that the competitive aspect of the game was getting exhausted, and the game being extremely rough around the edges. Not to mention it was easy to push for it given how easy the modding tools were for the game. Ultimate has barely even scratched the surface of what's achievable, and I think trying to stifle that right now, this early, really does make it seem like a reactionary case of "this isn't Melee".
There's never going to be another project the scale of Project M again, and if this actually does end up growing, expect Nintendo to shut it down pretty handily. People are best off not pursuing those phantoms.
Because as others explained, modding Brawl made sense since that game was a wreck. Ultimate just came out a month ago and has made many concessions towards competitive players and yet it's still not good enough for some people. It's premature at best. Tell me, is there another game series that has to put up with this? Are people modding the newest SF, MK, SC, or Tekken games to make them like an older title?
It doesn't. If people want to waste their time, more power to them.
I never said a mod harms me or my enjoyment of the game.
Man, it's not like most Melee fans even knew this project existed or aren't happy with Ultimate. Especially given that most well known/highly ranked melee players have also been competing in and streaming Ultimate.
This seems to be its own project, with its own goals. Just like PM was by the end. I probably won't play it, but I don't see how this thing's existence is now suddenly the fault of the "melee community" not wanting to move on or something. I am a huuuuge fan of melee, spend most of my weekends watching tournaments, like to compete, but this doesn't interest me (or anyone I know who plays melee) at all.
The hardcore melee audience is great, melee is great, people should play what they like. Ultimate is also great. More power to the modders and the people that want to do this or want to play it.
This seems to be its own project, with its own goals. Just like PM was by the end. I probably won't play it, but I don't see how this thing's existence is now suddenly the fault of the "melee community" not wanting to move on or something. I am a huuuuge fan of melee, spend most of my weekends watching tournaments, like to compete, but this doesn't interest me (or anyone I know who plays melee) at all.
The hardcore melee audience is great, melee is great, people should play what they like. Ultimate is also great. More power to the modders and the people that want to do this or want to play it.
it was towards melee players and then it grow into its own thing, when they started to make more balancing and changes to animations and so on. This question is exactly common now that they just went off the melee players expectations and support honestly. I just assume is just people not happy with smash and want to do it their way.
What does it matter to you if people aren't completely satisfied with Ultimate? There's nothing wrong with that. They're not obligated to migrate over to it if they don't want to.
First reaction to this news is total annoyance. Project M began out of necessity since Brawl was a competitive nightmare, but everything I've seen from Ultimate so far seems to point that at it's core it is good for competitive play? Sure there are tweaks to be made here and there, but fundamentally I can't see why this is needed. I just hate seeing the community fractured.
I can somewhat understand Project M's existence since Brawl was actually designed to not be competitive, but a Project Ultimate makes zero sense to me. They won't be able to stream it (at least on Twitch) and Ultimate already has solid competitive mechanics. Who this for?
"Almost" is the operative term here, as that's the topic of discussion for Project Ultimate. As someone who loves Ultimate, I still see Melee as the best game in the series based on its gameplay alone. This is basically taking the one thing that's Melee has over Ultimate & adding it to Ultimate (I also prefer Melee's Adventure Mode to Ultimate's Spirits, but the margin there is pretty close).
With that said, I don't want to mess with my Switch, so I'll likely pass on this.
It's for those who want to play as as King K Rool with Melee mechanics, can i have that without this mod?
People hate the Melee fanbase not because they won't move on from their eighteen-year-old game but because they are actively hostile against anything that isn't melee. There's a reason why they have the toxic reputation that they have.
How extensive are the changes going to be? For example, are they planning to tweak the momentum/gravity or rework the ledge mechanics?
I think it's neat to have, but I don't think its really necessary since ultimate is fun as is. It's good enough on its own to offer its own flavor and if you want the exact melee experience you can always just hit up melee. I get why it's done though. A lot of people just want the roster w/ melee mechanics because they are likely bored w/ melee's characters. Theres not a ton of viable characters in that game so I'd imagine a lot of people are looking for a side game w/ melee tech and more characters to play.
Oh I forgot to mention that it won't take off unless it becomes as easy to install as Project M. It's a hard sell to ask people to mod thier switch to play when Ultimate is already liked as is. Brawl was ass so the change was much more needed.
Oh I forgot to mention that it won't take off unless it becomes as easy to install as Project M. It's a hard sell to ask people to mod thier switch to play when Ultimate is already liked as is. Brawl was ass so the change was much more needed.
The "Melee fanbase is toxic" crowd has far exceeded the actual Melee crowd in actual toxicity for a long-time running.
If people want to do stuff with their games for their own enjoyment and/or harbor particular opinions about a game, let them. What's so hard about that, exactly?
If people want to do stuff with their games for their own enjoyment and/or harbor particular opinions about a game, let them. What's so hard about that, exactly?
You can't just add something from one game to another and expect it to work
I don't really care if you play Melee, Project M or Ultimate. I just can't believe how little time it takes to try and turn the new game into the old one.
Ok. I'm fucking tired of this.
What the FUCK is your problem man?
If someone out there wants to mod a game, ANY video game how is this affecting you? How is this ANY different from someone releasing their own skin packs on any PC game, someone making a new difficulty mode on a game, or any GameShark code that ever existed in the golden era.
If some one who knows how to code wants to customize a game to fit their own tastes, and happens to want to share it with other people who share the same taste, not as a replacement to a game but as an alternative, why do you feel the need to give them shit about it?
It's a fucking hobbyist thing to do, and mods like these in other video games actually lead to some really cool shit sometime.
Can't you just appreciate the possibility of other options existing? If you don't care for it I guarantee you it will NEVER fucking affect you. But this close-minded "better than thou" attitude can FUCK OFF.
This is exciting for me not gonna lie. I actually like Ultimate a whole lot but it's just undeniable to me that the way that Melee and PM handle is something I would never let go of if i didn't have to.
I want to enjoy Ultimates roster with that blistering speed and I dont see why that has to be looked down on. It'd have been easy for Sakurai to put a 'Melee physics' switch on for people who wanted to play that way but since he didn't it's all the more reason for the community to step up.
As far as changing characters go let's be real; This is the only hope Wario Land Wario has to get in the game. That alone warrants this imo.
I want to enjoy Ultimates roster with that blistering speed and I dont see why that has to be looked down on. It'd have been easy for Sakurai to put a 'Melee physics' switch on for people who wanted to play that way but since he didn't it's all the more reason for the community to step up.
As far as changing characters go let's be real; This is the only hope Wario Land Wario has to get in the game. That alone warrants this imo.
Project M became its own thing, not brawl with melee mechanics.
Also brawl as a base game needed changes, it would work even if it wasn't base on melee.
My point is that it took Melee's mechanics & melded them into Brawl. Where Ultimate falls short for me is Sakurai & Bandai Namco not going far enough to incorporate what made Melee the best, even if Ultimate is still a great game on its own.
"Is this necessary?"
We have to move out of this mindset that every mod is to "fix" a game. There are many mods scenes out there that aren't trying to make a statement, prove they can objectively make a game better, or have grandiose plans. There are plenty of mods that alter things to make it enjoyable for personal reasons. Not every modding scene is like Bethesda Games.
We have to move out of this mindset that every mod is to "fix" a game. There are many mods scenes out there that aren't trying to make a statement, prove they can objectively make a game better, or have grandiose plans. There are plenty of mods that alter things to make it enjoyable for personal reasons. Not every modding scene is like Bethesda Games.