Project Lincoln continue landing body blows on Trump

Jon Carter · Jun 23, 2020

Orb said:
Third parties exist but it's not finalized who is going to be on the ballot in my state yet. I know you probably think voting third-party is throwing away my vote or basically a vote for Trump but I don't see it that way. But all of this is beside the point.

Orb said:
I guess you're right, I shouldn't be surprised that most people here can't grasp how TLP could be bad considering they call me a Trump supporter for voting third-party. Dumb black-and-white thinking that is very typical of this website.

Okay, I hate to dogpile and I'd be the first to agree that this forum can be really black-and-white about certain things, but no, this is the "black-and-whitest" election in the history of this country. I have a friend who made the same arguments as you in 2016 and voted for Jill Stein. Great guy, but he was wrong and he's partly to blame for the past four years. Repeating that same mistake in 2020 is being on the wrong side of history. There is no excuse.

BringBackSonics · Jun 23, 2020

Cipherr said:
Well well well... Man oh man after all that?

This thread is a trip man...

Holy shit, after all that concern trolling, this guy is a part of the problem.

julian · Jun 23, 2020

Euphoria said:
So...

Concerned about TLP if Biden gets elected.

Posts how they won't vote for Biden.

This whole concern act comes off as so fake and people really need to stop engaging.

I'll repeat what I said earlier. Thought processes like this are far more dangerous than some TLP ads attacking Trump.

Yeah, I'll take the help of shitty Republicans who will vote for Biden over the stupid concerns of somebody unwilling to vote for Biden.

Euphoria · Jun 23, 2020

To go further in one post Orb says they would vote for Biden if he aligns with their views. Then a few posts later implies they will avoid at all costs voting for Biden.

How to you reconcile those two things?

jon bones · Jun 23, 2020

Darkgran said:
I don't understand why Orb hasn't been banned yet.

Dude's been on my ignore list for ages, but it makes reading threads pretty disjointed lol

schuelma · Jun 23, 2020

Euphoria said:
To go further in one post Orb says they would vote for Biden if he aligns with their views. Then a few posts later implies they will avoid at all costs voting for Biden.

How to you reconcile those two things?

Forgot what forum he was posting in for a minute?

Tap In · Jun 23, 2020

The Albatross said:
Two things:

Yes, we -- liberals, progressives, Democrats, whatever -- want to get more Romneys than Trumps. This shouldn't even be a controversial idea and that you think it is controversial suggest to me that you need to get your priorities straightened out.

Romney of course is not some paragon of progressivism, but as a liberal I'd much rather have a Republican president who says "Black Lives Matter" than one who brags about "shooting thugs when the looting starts." Cynics might see Romney marching for Black Lives as just a political ploy or the future of his career, or something and there's truth to that, but if you're having trouble choosing the opposition candidate who wants to start a race war versus the one who is marching for civil rights, then you have to check your priorities.

It's also not like "Romneys" are some secret Trojan Horse that are going to win electorally and then quietly turn back the clock. Don't forget... Romneys lost in 2012. Trumps won in 2016 (and Trump-like candidates, Tea Partiers, largely won in 2010 and 2014). So, yes, as a liberal, I want more Romneys in the GOP, fewer Trumps, fewer Tea Partiers, fewer "Freedom Caucus."

Nobody is "carrying the water for the purpose of more Romneys," and you're being intentionally misleading by pretending that posting anti-TRump videos by the Lincoln Project are *really* us "carrying the water for more Romneys." Nobody is posting TLP videos promoting Mitt Romney. We're all posting TLP videos that are tear downs of Trump.

Exactly. This is clear and should be the clear cut conversation and the worrying really needs to be let go in this context. It's not even a question in my mind
There are conservative v liberal agendas and then there is unabashed evil an hate v humanity and civility.

This is the latter.

makonero · Jun 23, 2020

Euphoria said:
To go further in one post Orb says they would vote for Biden if he aligns with their views. Then a few posts later implies they will avoid at all costs voting for Biden.

How to you reconcile those two things?

they are a liar. like they conveniently saw the error of their ways with ableism after attacking biden's mental state but now it's not okay to do the same to trump. they are a shit stirrer and i've been reporting them the entire thread but no action has been taken by the mods.

Euphoria · Jun 23, 2020

makonero said:
they are a liar. like they conveniently saw the error of their ways with ableism after attacking biden's mental state but now it's not okay to do the same to trump. they are a shit stirrer and i've been reporting them the entire thread but no action has been taken by the mods.

I hate to agree but I may have to.

One post is vague about their Biden views and how they would vote if his views aligned. Then it moves to outright not voting and quoting a post implying he is a child molestor.

It's all clear as day and instead of "having the guts" as they said of owning it they instead begin accusing in a post responding to me about gaslighting and implying they are a Pro Trump voter. None of which I actually did at all, it was just flailing.

It isn't about implying anything. It's about understanding motives and I understood those motives once I realized they are the same person who created the thread trying to tell people to "think before posting TLP ads".

Euphoria · Jun 23, 2020

Also just want to make clear I did not at any point report Orb. I instead like that the discussions advanced and the truth came out. Can't do that if you get rid of them before that could occur.

But the downside if that the intent was achieved and this thread got shitted up pretty good.

julian · Jun 23, 2020

Euphoria said:
Also just want to make clear I did not at any point report Orb. I instead like that the discussions advanced and the truth came out. Can't do that if you get rid of them before that could occur.

But the downside if that the intent was achieved and this thread got shitted up pretty good.

I did not either but am debating doing so now since this whole derail was ridiculous, but I wouldn't worry too much about the thread. I have a sneaking suspicion there will be plenty more ads from them in the coming months.

Euphoria · Jun 23, 2020

julian said:
I did not either but am debating doing so now since this whole derail was ridiculous, but I wouldn't worry too much about the thread. I have a sneaking suspicion there will be plenty more ads from them in the coming months.

Months? Haha we will have a new thread today or tomorrow most likely if their response to "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!" is anything to go by. :)

But yes, over the next few months they will keep going after Trump and it will all be a joy to watch as Bunker Boy cries about it.

chuckddd · Jun 23, 2020

Do these guys ever go after Pence? We've got some new material.

ElectricBlanketFire · Jun 23, 2020

chuckddd said:
Do these guys ever go after Pence? We've got some new material.

That's it. He's off the ticket.

julian · Jun 23, 2020

chuckddd said:
Do these guys ever go after Pence? We've got some new material.

Lol. I love the turn around and thumbs up. "I'm ok!"

makonero · Jun 23, 2020

chuckddd said:
Do these guys ever go after Pence? We've got some new material.

look! a man unafraid of stairs...but he should be

BringBackSonics · Jun 23, 2020

chuckddd said:
Do these guys ever go after Pence? We've got some new material.

There is no point in going after Pence, he holds no power.

Euphoria · Jun 23, 2020

Pence saw that TLP tweet with the video of Biden running and thought to himself "Hmmm, I can do that too!".

He thought wrong.

MasterChumly · Jun 23, 2020

chuckddd said:
Do these guys ever go after Pence? We've got some new material.

Who's mike pence?

jeelybeans · Jun 23, 2020

chuckddd said:
Do these guys ever go after Pence? We've got some new material.

They won't go after Pence because despite actually being worse than Trump on a lot of issues he decorates it in a bow so then the bigotry is A okay!

Sagadego17 · Jun 23, 2020

'nother The Lincoln Project

HaL64 · Jun 23, 2020

chuckddd said:
Do these guys ever go after Pence? We've got some new material.

WALK, DON'T RUN!
-mother

schuelma · Jun 23, 2020

About to run an ad supporting the dem senate candidate in Montana

Loud Wrong · Jun 25, 2020

Veliladon · Jun 25, 2020

Loud Wrong said:

In short, America is a land of contrasts...

BronzeWolf · Jun 25, 2020

Loud Wrong said:

These people are good at ads, that's for sure.

Loud Wrong · Jun 28, 2020

Armadilo · Jun 28, 2020

Mods closed another thread like this, seems they want to ban Lincoln videos from resetera

Brinbe · Jun 28, 2020

these ads are so fucking brutal. good to see it used on people that deserve it for once

Loud Wrong · Jun 28, 2020

Armadilo said:
Mods closed another thread like this, seems they want to ban Lincoln videos from resetera

I think they just don't want a thread for every ad.

MayorSquirtle · Jun 28, 2020

Armadilo said:
Mods closed another thread like this, seems they want to ban Lincoln videos from resetera

Or maybe it was just redundant because this thread has already been around for three weeks?

Cipherr · Jun 28, 2020

Armadilo said:
Mods closed another thread like this, seems they want to ban Lincoln videos from resetera

They never said that. They said they dont think they want a thread for each ad.

Smokeymicpot · Jun 28, 2020

Armadilo said:
Mods closed another thread like this, seems they want to ban Lincoln videos from resetera

Totally. It is because they are right leaning. They cover up everything.

Armadilo · Jun 28, 2020

Loud Wrong said:
I think they just don't want a thread for every ad.

JaredG said:
Or maybe it was just redundant because this thread has already been around for three weeks?

Cipherr said:
They never said that. They said they dont think they want a thread for each ad.

Smokeymicpot said:
Totally. It is because they are right leaning. They cover up everything.

here you go, what a MOD said -

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Poodlestrike
No Justice, No Peace
Administrator

Yesterday at 6:38 PM

We do not believe this will produce good discussion as evidenced by prior threads, and we're reviewing site policy to see if we want to allow threads for particular political ads, so this thread will remain locked.

Link to thread

BringBackSonics · Jun 28, 2020

That would be disappointing if staff no longer allow discussion around these ads due to a handful of folks concerned about them.

Taka · Jun 28, 2020

Armadilo said:
here you go, what a MOD said -

Link to thread

You're reading that wrong. "Particular political ads" means individual ads, like the polls rule -- and even that is only being reviewed.

Armadilo · Jun 28, 2020

Taka said:
You're reading that wrong. "Particular political ads" means individual ads, like the polls rule -- and even that is only being reviewed.

maybe, it was one of the threads on Lincoln, I posted a recent video and someone else commented and then a mod closed the thread

entremet · Jun 28, 2020

Did Trump tweet a video where someone shouted white power? I have the dude blocked for my sanity but crazy if true.

nomster · Jun 28, 2020

TarpitCarnivore · Jun 28, 2020

BringBackSonics said:
That would be disappointing if staff no longer allow discussion around these ads due to a handful of folks concerned about them.

You mean the videos that serve to be propaganda for the "good ole days"? Yeah, they should be banned.

Sulik2 · Jun 28, 2020

makonero said:
i love the idea of framing it simply as trump being the second confederate president. it's so fucking good. democrats really need to run with that. make it clear: trump is on the side of slavers.

It's hilarious how much better the GOP political staffers are at political ads and strategy. The Lincoln Project goes for the throat. If the Dems fought like this the last 20 years they wouldn't have lost so many elections.

Veliladon · Jun 28, 2020

Sulik2 said:
It's hilarious how much better the GOP political staffers are at political ads and strategy. The Lincoln Project goes for the throat. If the Dems fought like this the last 20 years they wouldn't have lost so many elections.

The Democrats have always strived to be the adults in the room. I don't think Democrats could run the ads that the Lincoln Project runs with a Democrat's name on it.

Zelas · Jun 28, 2020

Sulik2 said:
It's hilarious how much better the GOP political staffers are at political ads and strategy. The Lincoln Project goes for the throat. If the Dems fought like this the last 20 years they wouldn't have lost so many elections.

These ads arent getting anyone to change their minds. They're preaching to the choir.

Loud Wrong · Jun 28, 2020

Zelas said:
These ads arent getting anyone to change their minds. They're preaching to the choir.

Incorrect. These ads are airing on Foxnews, not CNN. Foxnews viewers are not the choir.

Zelas · Jun 28, 2020

Loud Wrong said:
Incorrect. These ads are airing on Foxnews, not CNN. Foxnews viewers are not the choir.

I wasnt referring to where they were airing. Nobody is moved by the ads unless you already feel the way they want you to feel. Like a preacher preaching to a choir.

chuckddd · Jun 28, 2020

Zelas said:
I wasnt referring to where they were airing. Nobody is moved by the ads unless you already feel the way they want you to feel. Like a preacher preaching to a choir.

What? Ads work. They have worked, they work now, they will always work. This isn't just true in politics, either.

Now, these ads won't sway the entire electorate, but they'll help move some of the fence sitters. Considering Trump won 2016 by less than 100k voters scattered over a few key states, targeting these ads in the right places can be very effective.

Zelas · Jun 28, 2020

chuckddd said:
What? Ads work. They have worked, they work now, they will always work. This isn't just true in politics, either.

Now, these ads won't sway the entire electorate, but they'll help move some of the fence sitters. Considering Trump won 2016 by less than 100k voters scattered over a few key states, targeting these ads in the right places can be very effective.

Not all ads work. I mean you guys already state that democrat ads are somehow less effective.

chuckddd · Jun 28, 2020

Zelas said:
Not all ads work. I mean you guys already state that democrat ads are somehow less effective.

You guys? Who's you guys?

papermoon · Jun 28, 2020

Sulik2 said:
It's hilarious how much better the GOP political staffers are at political ads and strategy. The Lincoln Project goes for the throat. If the Dems fought like this the last 20 years they wouldn't have lost so many elections.

I celebrate Trump being cut up and exposed for the cretin he is. Run these ads.

But I feel some disquiet about how The Lincoln Project is going to wield all this good will and marketing expertise/following they've gained once Trump is out of office. These are ultraconservatives who pushed to install Trump into the Oval Office last time around. When they point their arrows at the Democrats and/or Biden come 2021, I hope folks don't just follow whatever they decide to push at that point. I'm not talking about non-Republican spaces like this forum. I'm concerned about the general public. I wish the Dems would be as cutthroat and vicious in fighting back against the Republicans as Repubs have been against the Dems.

Mariolee · Jun 28, 2020

papermoon said:
I celebrate Trump being cut up and exposed for the cretin he is. Run these ads.

But I feel some disquiet about how The Lincoln Project is going to wield all this good will and marketing expertise/following they've gained once Trump is out of office. These are ultraconservatives who pushed to install Trump into the Oval Office last time around. When they point their arrows at the Democrats and/or Biden come 2021, I hope folks don't just follow whatever they decide to push at that point. I'm not talking about non-Republican spaces like this forum. I'm concerned about the general public. I wish the Dems would be as cutthroat and vicious in fighting back against the Republicans as Repubs have been against the Dems.

I mean we're already seeing incredible push back on them on Twitter whenever they post actually heinous conservative shit and think they're being slick. Plus, how many posters have we had already constantly beat us over the head with how they're Republicans and what will they do once Biden wins. I think we get it and are more than aware at this point.

Project Lincoln continue landing body blows on Trump

What year is this?

You wouldn't toast a NES cartridge