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Blade24070

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Question: why can you not just say, "I'm Latin?" That's gender-neutral, is it not? Or is it not an acceptable way to refer to oneself? Now in Spanish, I can understand the need for Latinx given the operations of the language (not that I'm an expert, but I tried saying I am Latin in Spanish and it sounded weird). But is referring to oneself as simply Latin not ok in English?
 

NinjaScooter

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My wife and I just had this discussion a week ago. We're both in our mid-30s and were wondering why Latinx is a thing when just Latin would work. We assume its just a generational thing as well as trying to be more gender nuetral. Also, Latin said in Spanish wouldn't work, but then again neither would LatinX so yeah.

It seems like Latinx serves as a more direct counter to Latino/Latina and works to better emphasize the point of why it exists than just referring to people as "Latin" would.
 

excelsiorlef

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Singular "they" has centuries of use to recommend it at least, so I would assume it would be more accepted. But in general you're probably right.
Doubt it, singular they is easier to incorporate into standard speech and written prose because it exists and flows well with the rest of the language.

Tons of people freak the fuck out when we suggest singular they....

probably not 98% but I'd say it'd be over 50 and yeah we'll get closer to 98 when talking about less established words
 

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Can't you just use "Latin"?

It's as gender-neutral as it comes. No "as" or "os". And it's still easy to pronounce.

I mean it's the whole "they as singular neutral pronoun" hangup again. Is it imperfect? Sure. Could it have been designed better? Certainly.

But I don't see you policing any of the other arbitrary and inefficient rules of the language like why it's "el mapa" and why "ser" is conjugated so damn weirdly despite being so often.

So uh, get over it?
 

Denamitea

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Latinx is conscious a response to gendered language than trying to meekly adapt by using the english language words. It is kind of supposed to sound jarring and weird.
That makes more sense explained that way. I knew it was supposed to be commentary on a gendered language but did not know it was intended to sound weird. Thank you.

I don't think that works in Spanish.
Good point. I'm not really sure either way since I am a terrible Spanish speaker.
 

Kangi

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Folks will never stop treating gender neutrality as an imposition.
 

Bobson Dugnutt

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I'd be happy to use another word when talking in a gender neutral context but seeing it in print and then hearing it in my head is just jarring. I can't imagine why would you adopt a word that just sounds awkward by design
 
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studyguy

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As a latino... It doesn't bother me and I'm honestly surprised by how much it's bothering some other people here.

My favorite is still white guy who has no skin in the game wringing his hands over it.
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Anyway as I said before, when rubber meets the road and you're watching actual Spanish language media, it really doesn't come into play so I don't worry about the US twisting itself into a knot over it.
 

Pau

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No shit, Latinx feels extra rubbish because it's mostly pushed by non-spanish speaking people on us.

We actually have neutral words we actually use, it's just that it feels fake woke folks wants us to use the ones THEY came out with.
Outside of Era, I only mostly see Latinx in Latino-only spaces. Or are you saying those people probably use it because they are non-Spanish speaking Latinos? What word you prefer them to use to describe themselves?
 

Pickle

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As a latino, latinx fees like a term white people want to impose on us personally. Its not a thing in spanish
 

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I love how if you don't think people using Latinx is a big deal, you are automatically not Latino, not a native Spanish speaker, etc.

As for what non-Latino people should call us... I don't know. I don't particularly care if they use Latinx over Latino. But I sure as hell am not going to tell other Latinos what to use for themselves or think I'm more valid than them because of it.
This is a fair take. Use what you like, but probably don't judge native speakers on what they want to call themselves.
 

Chojin

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Since we are Asian would we include Filipinx? I kinda like it. Gives a nice socialist ring to it. Rolls off the tongue better than Komunista.
 

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I'd be happy to use another word to refer to hispanic people in a gender neutral way but seeing it in print and then hearing is just clumsy
 

SpottieO

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I'm Latino and can't stand the term "Latinx". It makes me cringe every time I see it.

Not a single family member or Latino friend I have had ever used Latinx in normal conversation and we are all fairly liberal.
 

Baccus

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It's the worst fucking label. The hell does that x mean. Just say latinos, at worst.
 
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You'd probably get a similar poll result about English gender neutral terms too you know... Singular they, etc.... In as much as surprise most people who don't have to think about gender neutrality don't think about gender neutrality
growing up in America as a 3rd gen non-spanish-speaking-but-still-fair-play-to-get-called-slurs-ever-day-of-school Hispanic, the term doesn't mean much to me. But singular they is as natural as anything. Might be a generation thing but I'll accept whatever positive label is available while dealing with the counter of being too white to be counted and not
-real-whatever-because-i-don't-speak-spanish

Like always
 

chirt

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Folks will never stop treating gender neutrality as an imposition.

To piggy back on this comment, I've seen folx used quite a bit recently.
Any particular reason since folks is already gender neutral?

If it's "just cuz" I respect that, but I didn't find much during my rather quick etymological research.
 

Blue Skies

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Yea from Miami, no one uses that.
Latino, latina, and latino for all purposes. That's just how that language is.

Use Hispanic if you're confused
 

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I use latino or latina but if they want me to say latinx then sure i'll call ya that. must be tiring correcting folks though.
 

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I'm not fan to include the "x" in spanish words, so that's why I prefer Latine honestly. LGBT community in Mexico use both, so more power to them.
 

IrishNinja

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then why push it towards us? like people try to "correct" me for using latino/latina, while I don't annoy those using latinx because I know why they are using it

same reason there's a push to use pronouns when we're CIS - it's the most minor of gwstures in an effort to normalize something to make trans/NB lives slightly less hellish, because us as the default plays a part in all the suffering/death these communities experience - but that's a larger conversation than this thread is ready to have

Just accuse people of virtue signaling and be done with it lol...

exaaaaactly
 

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people call me ma'am a lot because of the way i talk in a customer service setting. yes ma'am no ma'am thank you ma'am. they get embarrassed or correct themselves and i tell them it's no big deal. it's because of my customer service personality. i don't care because women own and i have two awesome sisters who pretty much taught me how to make conversation. it's a fake nice that many women seem to have to deal with using a lot.

it's not my place to tell people how to react to words that exist in order to be more inclusive, but it also becomes frustrating when the words themselves seem to become more important than how they're used and how people treat other people. i dunno. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad about themselves. i like the singular they, i always have. is latinx like that?
 

Griselbrand

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It's not a term I've used often and I don't see it used in my family either but if I were to identify myself I'd say Latino. If someone prefers to use latinx then I'd be happy to refer to them that way. It costs me nothing to be inclusive to what they prefer but it means something to them, so why not? I'm not going to give them shit about it either.
 

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Lots of people responding that they don't care about gender issues just because it's not visible to them.
 
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