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ElectricBlanketFire

What year is this?
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Oct 25, 2017
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Wall Street Journal reporting.

Wall Street Journal said:
President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden 's son, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer, on a probe, according to people familiar with the matter.

"He told him that he should work with [Mr. Giuliani] on Biden, and that people in Washington wanted to know" whether allegations were true or not, one of the people said. Mr. Trump didn't mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn't believe Mr. Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation.

Mr. Giuliani in June and August met with top Ukrainian officials about the prospect of an investigation, he said in an interview. The Trump lawyer has suggested Mr. Biden as vice president worked to shield from investigation a Ukrainian gas company with ties to his son, Hunter Biden. A Ukrainian official earlier this year said he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Mr. Biden or his son.

After the July call between the two presidents, the Ukrainian government said Mr. Trump had congratulated the new president on his election and expressed hope that his government would push ahead with investigations and corruption probes that had stymied relations between the two countries.
The White House declined to comment. The Biden campaign didn't respond to a request for comment. Last week, a Biden campaign spokesman said of Mr. Giuliani's efforts to pressure Ukraine: "This is beneath us as Americans."

Mr. Trump on Friday defended his July call with Mr. Zelensky as "totally appropriate" but declined to say whether he had asked the Ukrainian leader to investigate Mr. Biden, a former U.S. vice president. "It doesn't matter what I discussed," he said.
 

RailWays

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Oct 25, 2017
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Another blatant abuse to be thrown on the impeachment pile. The fuckery isn't going to let up either as he's guaranteed going to pull some bullshit on whoever the next Democrat nominee is.
 

PantherLotus

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Oct 27, 2017
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"stop catastrophizing"

nancy-pelosi.jpg
 

DevilMayGuy

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Oct 25, 2017
13,590
Texas
Yeah he's not a good dude. That said, can we just say "Trump" in thread titles rather than whatever epithet du jour we have thought up, especially because you put his name on quotes after anyway? Hell, you could even say "that shitbag Trump" or whatnot, but President Shitbag is just stupid sounding.
 

Persagen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fuck Trump, and fuck McConnell and the entirety of the GOP for enabling this shit and shielding Trump from consequence. Beyond disgusting. I can't take it anymore.
 

Deleted member 7130

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Oct 25, 2017
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What a piece of shirt. 👕

Seriously though, this guy's going around openly propositioning foreign political favors, and we're supposed to believe he's not somehow in Putin's pocket?
 

MGPanda

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Feb 25, 2018
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I legitimately don't understand this at all. Why is he pressing the Ukranian president to investigate Biden's son? Is this supposed to make any sense on his head, or is he just trying his best to become even more of a cartoon supervillain?
 

BoboBrazil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Trump's been a bad boy. Maybe Pelosi can golf clap and show up on tv to throw out some witty 1 liners again instead of impeaching.
 

RailWays

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Oct 25, 2017
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I legitimately don't understand this at all. Why is he pressing the Ukranian president to investigate Biden's son? Is this supposed to make any sense on his head, or is he just trying his best to become even more of a cartoon supervillain?
Think about who the current frontrunner in the 2020 Dem primary is and you'll have your answer.
 

Lukar

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
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Oct 27, 2017
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Damn. Surely he'll impeach himself this time.
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
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This is obviously the version of events being leaked from the Trump admin in an effort to try to take the wind out of this story.

You'll notice that something is conspicuously absent from this narrative, and that's any reference to a promise that Trump made whether it be a good promise or a threat promise to the Ukrainian president. The promise is what prompted the whistleblower complaint, not Trump asking for dirt.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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This absolutely needs to get us on hardcore impeachment hearings full blast, and not the "Benghazi" style I and others had been advocating for.

Pelosi absolutely needs to support this. But she absolutely should not be the point person on it, both because messaging is REALLY not her strong suit, but also because there's a non-zero chance Pence gets drawn into this and makes it so that there's a conflict of interest you need to backburner.
I legitimately don't understand this at all. Why is he pressing the Ukranian president to investigate Biden's son? Is this supposed to make any sense on his head, or is he just trying his best to become even more of a cartoon supervillain?
He's trying to create a scandal for Biden a la BUTTERY MALES and BENGHAZI for the person he thinks is most likely to win the Dem primary.
 

Mulligan

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Oct 29, 2017
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So it seems like this is a preemptive leak, and the likely source of this article is Giuliani himself.

I have a feeling we'll learn of a quid pro quo in the coming days or weeks.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
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This is obviously the version of events being leaked from the Trump admin in an effort to try to take the wind out of this story.

You'll notice that something is conspicuously absent from this narrative, and that's any reference to a promise that Trump made whether it be a good promise or a threat promise to the Ukrainian president. The promise is what prompted the whistleblower complaint, not Trump asking for dirt.

Yup. The source is probably Rudy or Barr in this case. The earlier WaPo or NYT sources were probably Coats and/or Gordon. This is the least bad way things went down, much like Don Jr's version of the Trump Tower meeting.