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Wrexis

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For those of you who have not seen the show, the intro explains the concept well.

"The Babylon Project was a dream, given form. Its goal: to prevent another war, by creating a place where humans and aliens can work out their differences peacefully. It's a port of call – home away from home – for diplomats, hustlers, entrepreneurs, and wanderers. Humans and aliens, wrapped in two million, five hundred thousand tons of spinning metal . . . all alone in the night. It can be a dangerous place, but it's our last best hope for peace. This is the story of the last of the Babylon stations. The year is 2258. The name of the place is Babylon 5."

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Luis Santiago, President of the Earthforce Alliance and a sponsor of the Babylon project is killed when his spaceship explodes.
His Vice President Morgan Clark (seen below) miraculously escapes harm after leaving the ship earlier after claiming to be suffering from a viral infection.

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Clark establishes an "Earth first" dictatorship over the next three years, deporting aliens, state sponsored media, blocking (or killing) refugees from entering Earth colonies, and eventually taking over all aspects of the government.

I was 11 or so when I first saw the show, so many references went over my head. On a 2020 review I was amazed at how well they built up this plot over three years - from the "fake news" that he was responsible for killing Santiago, to the "Nightwatch" fascists set up in the Ministry of Peace (pictured demoing their new loyalty armbands).

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They used the Psi Corps - telepaths - to weed out dissenters, and established a propaganda machine to make our heroes on Babylon 5 to be terrorists.

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How does it end? Well our heroes band together with the alliances they have formed over 3 years and go to Earth directly to arrest Clark.

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Once they punch their way through the Earth military - a painful and costly act fighting friends and family - they reach Earth.
Clark turns the Earth planetary defense grid against them. While it decimates the alliance fleet, it's not enough to stop them.

Clark finally realizes he can't win. His last act? He turns the planetary defense grid on Earth itself and writes a suicide note "SCORCHED EARTH" before killing himself.

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Several ships sacrifice themselves by ramming into the defense grid to save the Earth, before the rest of Clark's military has a "Are we the baddies?" moment and join in to destroy the rest.

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Normality is restored over the next year, for the most part.



I mean I'm not the first to say this obviously. Even the creator has chimed in. The last couple of weeks have really hit home certain parallels.

Have you seen the show Era? What do you think?
If you haven't seen the show, I would recommend it. The CG is dated, but the core storyline is excellent.
 

Tater

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Honestly, the "Scorched Earth" part has been in my head ever since Trump became president.
 

BigWeather

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Brilliant show, particularly seasons two through four. You may have just triggered a rewatch!
 

Calvinien

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It was the year of fire.
The year of destruction
The year we took back what was ours.
It was the year of rebirth.
The year of great sadness.
The year of pain.
And the year of joy.
It was a new age.
It was the end of history.
It was the year everything changed.


The season 4 opening feels might prescient too.
 

Quinton

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The bigwigs are fools for not giving J. Michael Straczynski a blank check to rebuild this perennially-salient series. A thematic powerhouse the whole way through.
 

Ra

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I haven't rewatched B5 since the 90s but I really need to, it was my father's and my favorite Sci-Fi series by far, right up there with Next Generation.

And damn, yeah, the parallels are spooky. Trump would if he could.
 
JMS absolutely was informed by American authoritarianism and fascism-adjacent neo-conservatism spawned in the 80s. A key moment in Clark's transformation of United Earth involved an official saying that Earth had eliminated all unemployment by insuring everyone who wanted to work was free to work. Therefore, any "unemployed and homeless" persons you encountered were that way by choice.

So much of the Earth background plot was pretty much a dissection of right-wing talking points and economic policies.

Another standout episode was the interview with the station personnel by a Clark-controlled ISN; which behaves like Fox News and edits the content to fit a completely insane "alternative facts" narrative.
 

oriic

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OMG, memories... After the BORG, the Shadows was my favorite hostile species.
 

DarthWoo

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Just a little nit pick: that gif you have after the Scorched Earth note is from the Earth Minbari War, not the battle to liberate Earth.
 

Betelgeuse

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The bigwigs are fools for not giving J. Michael Straczynski a blank check to rebuild this perennially-salient series. A thematic powerhouse the whole way through.
Amen. It upsets me regularly a person of his stature isn't managing a richly-budgeted space opera. Same with Ira Stephen Behr.

Is there not a single high-level executive at Netflix, HBO, etc. that's a B5/DS9 nut who's willing to fight for this?! Come on!
 

davepoobond

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It's a crime how the legacy of this show is treated. It's one of the best things I've ever watched, and such an amazing work of art that practically every episode was written by the show runner.

I'm a bit reticent about any sort of remake since the newer post TV show Babylon 5 stuff wasn't exactly interesting or great. Not like it would Ever matter since the show is stuck in a legal/political quagmire
 
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Just for the record, it's not that he doesn't want to, it's that there's an exec in Warner Brothers who refuses to let anything happen to B5.

 

Lady Justice

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Just watched it with my girlfriend, it was her first time and we were floored about the parallels in the show.
We not done yet, in the middle of Season 5.
Knowing the background, it really hurts to see how the quality drops off.
It's still good, but nowhere near seasons 2-4.
We plan to watch the whole B5 universe, including Crusade and the failed pilots.
Those I only watched once.
So many great Characters.
Londo and G'Kar are our absolute Favorites.
I wish WB would just let go of the rights or do something with them
 
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Wrexis

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Pretty much, yeah. Apparently JMS pissed someone off and they are holding a grudge.
 

I KILL PXLS

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Show was so good. I watched it for the first time a couple years ago and it's one of my favorites of all time. The CG is definitely rough but as someone in to the history of vfx, I found even that aspect kind of fascinating.
 

Alric

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Brilliant show, particularly seasons two through four. You may have just triggered a rewatch!

I agree, but season 1 sets up so much lore and future storylines that it's a must watch from beginning to end. All the movies, everything is great. I still love the idea of technomages. Very warhammer 40k to me.
 

BebopCola

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I remember on my last rewatch about 10 years ago I thought the Earthgov stuff leaned a little too hard on 1984, but seeing how shit has panned out so far, it definitely holds up today. We currently have a government that is a mix of Idiocracy and Clark's presidency.

The show has some really, REALLY clunky bits to it but seasons 2-4 really showcase just how effective a singular vision can be for a serialized show. And goddamn what a fantastic soundtrack.

And while Season 5 suffers from a lot of problems, it has one of the best openings in TV history.

 

Xero grimlock

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watches it for the first time last year and fucking loved it, so many call backs and hype as fuck moments. Delenn is probably my favorite sci-fi female character by a big margin.
 

Double 0

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I remember on my last rewatch about 10 years ago I thought the Earthgov stuff leaned a little too hard on 1984, but seeing how shit has panned out so far, it definitely holds up today. We currently have a government that is a mix of Idiocracy and Clark's presidency.

The show has some really, REALLY clunky bits to it but seasons 2-4 really showcase just how effective a singular vision can be for a serialized show. And goddamn what a fantastic soundtrack.

And while Season 5 suffers from a lot of problems, it has one of the best openings in TV history.



Season 3 and 5's intros give me goosebumps every time.
 

steejee

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I finally got a full watch of S1-S5 done just last year, the parallels to the Trump administration were depressingly clear.

S5 works okay if you just treat is an an epilogue to S1-S4. It's still a bit clunky, but does a decent job showing the after effects of the war. Had the show just ended at S4 it would have felt like it had skipped over all the scars that are left by such a cataclysmic event. Then again if they had known they were getting an S5 they could have better paced S4 and S5 and turned S5 into just a few episodes.

Last time S8 of GoT was brought up and how it retroactively ruined the entire show, I noted that B5 S5 was a letdown but didn't damage the rest of the series in the same fashion. B5 S5 was merely a step down from S4: unlike GoT S8 all the characters still acted like themselves, no one took stupid pills, and the storylines still made sense, they just weren't as interesting as what came before. Some would say the same of how Wire S5 was a let down but didn't ruin (or even diminish) the show in any way.
 

steejee

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Just remembered one of my favorite little "Hey, ___ is in this!" - Bryan Cranston shows up for an episode or two...

Though it's as a Ranger Captain that has to sacrifice his ship and crew, which I thought showed both the cost of war on those that lose their lives as well as those that have no choice but to send people to their deaths.
 

Night Hunter

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I actually did a paper on the rise of the military dictatorship in B5 in University in a polsci media studies course I did for fun.

This show really was fascinating stuff.
 

Silence

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It's an incredible show. I recently rewatched. The Episode (I can't seem to find the name/episode number now) where some alien races deal with a pandemic was also haunting at this time.

Edit: found it: season 2 episode 19, "Confessions and Lamentations"
 

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It's an incredible show. I recently rewatched. The Episode (I can't seem to find the name/episode number now) where some alien races deal with a pandemic was also haunting at this time.

Edit: found it: season 2 episode 19, "Confessions and Lamentations"
Yep, Confessions and Lamentations from season 2. Gave that one a rewatch in June and thought JMS really captured the sense of denial and cultural paralysis in the face of a pandemic.
 

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My favorite scifi show all time, bar none. I just recently watched "Voices of Authority" episode and I just love discussions between Sheridan and the lady from Ministry of Peace.

Musante: "Earth doesn't have homeless. We don't have the problem. Well, yes, there are some displaced people, here and there, but they've chosen to be in their position. They're either lazy or they're criminal or they're mentally unstable."
Sheridan: "They can't get a job."
Musante: "Earth-gov has promised a job to everyone that wants one. So, if someone doesn't have a job, they must not want one."

It's too bad B5 universe never really got second shot. S5 wasn't all that great but it had potential to go on, even without original cast. Crusader could have been great as well if the studio had trusted JMS. All the movies that came after the show were all kinds of terrible :(
 

Distantmantra

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There is a fan re-encode called B5 Remaster Reencoded that looks *much* better than the DVD versions. It's still not perfect, but it's the best way to watch.

I'm guessing it's not available to stream anywhere?

I remember when it was airing on TV as a teenager, and I thought the special effects were pretty horrible for even back then.
 

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I remember on my last rewatch about 10 years ago I thought the Earthgov stuff leaned a little too hard on 1984, but seeing how shit has panned out so far, it definitely holds up today. We currently have a government that is a mix of Idiocracy and Clark's presidency.

The show has some really, REALLY clunky bits to it but seasons 2-4 really showcase just how effective a singular vision can be for a serialized show. And goddamn what a fantastic soundtrack.

And while Season 5 suffers from a lot of problems, it has one of the best openings in TV history.



All the Introäs were so fucking great, especially 3, 4 and 5,
Three had such a great opening "The Babylon Project was our last and best hope for Peace... We failed!

 

Captain_Vyse

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My favorite show of all time. It's been scary how relevant the Earth story line is in 2020. Especially elements like the Night Watch.