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Prediction: Microsoft will release a Mid Gen controller update with Adaptive Triggers.
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Eh, this feels reductive. We've only seen one preview of it, but we've heard at least a few other examples of how it's being supported in other games (at least at launch), and the people bringing us that information are largely raving about it themselves.
It's possible, but somewhat less likely given Microsoft's cross-generational approach. They'd also be well behind Sony in terms of mindshare and adoption if it's a mid-gen revision as you suggest, as it actually would be a tacked on feature rather than a standard part of the platforms identity. If you're really interested in supporting or experiencing in the feature, it'd make a lot more sense to just buy a PS5.
It's being raved about by enthusiasts that get hyped about new things. Not saying it's bad but if it's not something that the average gamer likes or sees the benefit in, it won't really take off like we have seen with other nifty features.
We won't know for a while if devs will actually start to use it well or if it will end up a gimmicky feature that people end up finding annoying and turning off and devs abandon actually really using it. That's been done forever in gaming.
If it sticks it'll be cool and I could see Microsoft doing a revision, if it doesn't they won't.
Quote from person who has never tried gyro aiming and thinks that it has anything to do with the Wii's waggle crap
Gyro aiming is nifty for sure but everytime I've tried it I've disliked it and most people I know just turn it off in games that have it.
It's definitely not a gimmick it's just not widespread or done well enough often enough for the general consumer to really adopt it.
I know in theory gyro aiming is better but it feels awful to me everytime I've tried it
The locking lever mechanism in the trigger i think? not the overall concept. Youd have to look it up
While none of us can say for sure if it'll stick, I don't get pretending this is on the same trajectory as something like the touchpad lol. That's all.
Given the news of titles like Fornite supporting the controller, I already think this is clearly so far ahead of the features it's been compared to. Nobody was wondering if the touchpad was a killer feature last gen.
Quote from person who read one post and then made a knee-jerk reply without reading anything else from the thread.
You absolutely can dislike it, the problem is people calling it a gimmick like you said. Every time I see people clamoring for companies to NOT implement gyro, I get confused. It's an option. The only reason I can see why you wouldn't want an option to be implemented is if you think it can provide an advantage in multiplayer. In which case, you're admitting it's better... so... lmao
Yeah, the standard XB1 controller has the "normal" two-type rumble motors in the body of the controller, as well as an independent haptic motor in each of the triggers (4 total actuators, AFAIK). It doesn't add resistance, but it changes the haptic response based on pressure and/or gameplay
The example I always use from supported racing games: If you over-accelerate mid-turn, your tires lose grip, and you'll feel the throttle "give way" like you would on a FFB steering wheel on the right trigger. If the brakes lock, the normal braking vibration will drop until you fully release then re-engage on the left trigger. The closer you are to that limit for both acceleration and braking, the more intense the haptics for that mechanic feel, which lets you calibrate your input. If you're using ABS, you'll feel the "jittering" of the system rapidly dis/re-engaging during a hard brake, just on the left-trigger. And the whole time, you have the "stereo" effect for the road surface, so the left/right wheel suspension action when you change road surfaces comes through on those corresponding triggers, alongside those other effects.
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I am baffled at the comparison of these new features to the touchpad. For the life of me, I cannot remember articles singing the praises of the touchpad and how it is the best new thing about the DS4.
Just read your explanation, and I'll just quote myself:
Just don't use the option, that's fine. But why do you think it should "die"? The only reason I can think of is that you dislike the idea of people using it in multiplayer games. In which case... well, you know. It doesn't make sense unless you actually think it's good.
Tell me about it 🙃
Its interesting, microsoft already has a ton of patents in this area, here's an article from earlier this year about it
www.windowscentral.com
New Xbox One resistive controller triggers detailed in Microsoft patents
Newly-surfaced patents explore adjustable-tension triggers, aiming to enhance controller feedback.
www.windowscentral.com
The only comparison really is it's new controller tech.
If say the Haptics and 3D Rumble are at least similar and like nothing uses the 3D Rumble. Although the Haptics are apparently very easy to implement. My only concern is it will just be implemented lazy and it'll become annoying to the average person so they will turn it off and devs will stop using it. It all comes down heavily to if the developers see the benefit and use it well or not.
Was this suppose to be a gotcha or you agreeing with me? I'm confused
In a weird way I hope they do so it gets added to the Xinput standard on PC. But I don't really care if that's something they add or not. We did get 2 controller revisions from them this generation so you never know.
It's posters being completely disingenuous, yeah.
Isn't this blatantly false?
Well Dualshock 4 is full of useless features that only serve to deplete the batteries very fast.
I hope this time Sony use something that I don't have to mind for at least 10 hours and that this new controller is better used by Devs.
I hope this time Sony use something that I don't have to mind for at least 10 hours and that this new controller is better used by Devs.
Options are good for everyone.
I don't think gyro should die as I think it's great that people find it useful, I do wish devs would actually jump on board with it. Sony keeps adding it to their controllers but barely uses it themselves it's very odd.
Richard at Digital Foundry went as far as calling it a "revolution", and he did so in a calm and measured way. Using the words game-changer isn't exactly a big step away from that, given what we can reasonably expect from the haptics and triggers in specific staple genres like racers and shooters. The support is already looking much better than any previous peripheral or controller features, so the chances of this statement ringing true is much more likely than ever before.
Until we get it into the hands of the general consumer and see how this is being implemented in games, calling it game changing is quite premature. Things can't be game changers if people don't care or use them. It's a sad reality for a lot of revolutionary tech.
Hell Kinect was revolutionary but it was never a game changer cause no devs were bothered to use it well outside of like, Just Dance lol
I couldn't care less if people used it in multi games. I just personally think it's a development distraction and implementing it within controllers is just another battery drain along with added build cost.
The techniques they use are very different but their purpose is very similar. Haptics are a better version of it though.
This is just revisionist history lol even enthusiasts were hard pressed to hype the Kinect.
It's not the same thing. At all.
Like every new exciting tech... excitement is high and possibilities are endless at the beginning. Astrobots does a great job of showcasing the tech from the sounds of it.
Whether it is a legitimate game changer and not just a really cool gimmick is TBD I think.
Once the excitement dies down, is it going to be a legitimate game changer? Are haptics going to dramatically alter how you enjoy a game?
This is where I remain skeptical, they sound awesome but I think they'll become background noise at some point.
I was pretty impressed by the Switchs HD Rumble and Rumble Triggers on the Xbox One remote but neither of those failed to really make any significant impact outside of the rumble triggers in racing games or the mini games in 1-2 Switch.
Whether it is a legitimate game changer and not just a really cool gimmick is TBD I think.
Once the excitement dies down, is it going to be a legitimate game changer? Are haptics going to dramatically alter how you enjoy a game?
This is where I remain skeptical, they sound awesome but I think they'll become background noise at some point.
I was pretty impressed by the Switchs HD Rumble and Rumble Triggers on the Xbox One remote but neither of those failed to really make any significant impact outside of the rumble triggers in racing games or the mini games in 1-2 Switch.
Definitely. If XBox gets adaptive triggers, on top of Game Pass, that ecosystem will truly be the best place to play.
Kinect as tech was indeed revolutionary. It's what powers the iPhone's Face ID in a way shrunk down form. Gaming just wasn't it's correct usage application though.
Its not revisionist. The technology behind Kinect was revolutionary but no one in the end really care about it.
Yes more enthusiasts are excited about Haptics, but the point stands. It comes down to how the general gamer reacts to it and how devs implement it to decide if it's a game changer or if it's used in gimmicky ways.
Enthusiasts can hype it up all they want, it's really cool tech, but until we really see it in action and see how most people react to it, calling it anything close to game changing is just unfounded hype
Ps4 didn't add trigger rumble this gen and MS didn't add gyro. So yeah, it's gonna be a no from me dawg.
Every PS5 will have those controllers and games (at least from first party or exclusives) can be deliberately designed around them. Even with a refresh, there's no guarantee Xbox users will flock to a new controller. That's when that functionality becomes either superfluous or targeting too small of a userbase.
While Kinect didn't fare as well on gaming it is still an incredible piece of technology, this is the latest one.
Azure Kinect - Wikipedia
A development distraction to give more people options? That can be disabled if you don't want them? Gyro likely doesn't drain the battery, or even excessively. The Switch Pro controller has it and it has one of the best battery lifes of any controller.
More options are great.
Was Kinect being hailed as the single coolest feature of any piece of next gen hardware by anybody?
If not, I don't understand why we're comparing it to the DualSense, something already visibly driving a ton of excitement among consumers and third party devs, vs a peripheral we all saw the writing on the wall for.
The comparison just doesn't work.
Game-changing is a phrase that refers to the potential to change the outcome of something significantly. That said, this isn't an add-on peripheral that gets introduced 2-3 years into the cycle, nor is it comparable to the addition of a touchpad that for some reason people keep coming back to, nor is it a feature that Sony is throwing out there and hoping sticks given the impressive changes they've made to the development environment to make it as easy as possible (almost automatic) for devs to implement. They want it to work, the support of controller features is looking better than ever and the examples we've seen and heard about are "game-changing".
The regular xbox one controller was updated many times as well. They added a headphone jack, and have since improved the RB and LB buttons, as well as adding Bluetooth to the controller. If anyone still has a day 1 xbox one controller, that controller is very different than the one we have now.
I thought it was somewhat of a grey area, this confirms my first thought.Its interesting, microsoft already has a ton of patents in this area, here's an article from earlier this year about it
New Xbox One resistive controller triggers detailed in Microsoft patents
Newly-surfaced patents explore adjustable-tension triggers, aiming to enhance controller feedback.
Anything to do with Wii motion controls that didn't use the motion+ didn't even use gyros, so even bringing it up is irrelevant and you've admit you only used them briefly in BOTW...
It has traditional rumble motors
you can see them in this video bellow
If there is one thing I think Microsoft should upgrade the controller with is gyro. It gives more developers interest in using it if it was available in all of the consoles like the Switch and PS4. It is also way better for aiming: