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Prediction: Microsoft will release a Mid Gen controller update with Adaptive Triggers.
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It means its more likely the new dooms, elder scrolls, wastelands, evil withins and etcetera wont have gyro and haptic support on pcs (where they could) than they adding it to their controllers on xbox
People keep comparing haptics and adaptive triggers to gyro and the touchpad. You need to learn the difference between disruptive and additive. Gyro and touchpad are disruptive; they change the way you interact with your controller. Haptics and adaptive triggers are additive; they enhance the existing method for using controllers.
Disruptive tech in controllers rarely catches on, but additive very well could if the consumer base likes what it adds to the experience.
Disruptive tech in controllers rarely catches on, but additive very well could if the consumer base likes what it adds to the experience.
that's rich
What are you talking about?
And are you going to reply to the body of the post or are you going to cherry-pick one sentence and troll?
Doesn't Xbox already have something similar? It's definitely not the same, but I recall feeling some variable resistance on the triggers when playing Forza Horizon 4. Could be they improve that tech further, but I doubt it. Unless it takes off with third-parties and becomes a big selling point for PS5, they won't care.
Microsoft could, would they? Doubt it, you may get it on their expensive line of controllers if they choose to do so.
If DualSense turns out to be as great as it's being talked about and devs have tools to easily implement such features into their games then Microsoft are already at a disadvantage from the get-go.
DualSense comes in every PS5, you'd need to buy a brand new controller for the Xbox line for it to work.
They'd also have to R&D a solution of their own given Sony's solution is patented.
If DualSense turns out to be as great as it's being talked about and devs have tools to easily implement such features into their games then Microsoft are already at a disadvantage from the get-go.
DualSense comes in every PS5, you'd need to buy a brand new controller for the Xbox line for it to work.
They'd also have to R&D a solution of their own given Sony's solution is patented.
Don't think so it would be hard for them to support without knowing everyone has it and with how they are focusing on cross platform etc
it would become an add on instead of a standard which is hardly ever supported
it would become an add on instead of a standard which is hardly ever supported
Gyro and touchpad can be addictive as well and haptics can be disruptive if tied to gameplay mechanics
So.... that doesnt mean anything
Adding resistance to a bow string pull or not allowing you to fully pull the trigger is not disruptive? It's certainly welcome in certain scenarios and I think it's cool but I wouldn't want that in a MP game.
Xbox has small rumble motors in the triggers. It technically is additive to the controller, but it was subtle enough that I think most consumers don't even know about it, nor was it transformative enough for developers to get really excited, and thus it never caught on.
I really dont understand why so many people are spewing this line of thinking.
If they dont have the updated controller, they wont get the benefits, if they do, they will. Why would some people having older models stop future support with new features?
People can upgrade if they feel its worth it. Not like MS doesn't put out a hundred custom controllers throughout the generations.
You've seen previews of the feature in one game, in one of its levels. If I were you, I would take a nice, deep breath.
Since when have add ons been widely supported? Never
they can do it but don't expect a lot of support if they do
Gyro and touchpad change the way you interact with your controller. Touchpad requires YOU to move your thumbs off the traditional control scheme to do something on it, and gyro requires YOU to physically move the controller around in a way you don't in a traditional control scheme. They are disruptive.
Haptics and adaptive triggers don't change anything about what you as the player have to do with the controller. They're additive.
I could see an updated controller with higher resolution haptics, something that would benefit all games to some extent whether developers do anything fancy or not.
Adaptive triggers though... It all depends on wide adoption. If 3rd parties are using them frequently on PS5, yeah, maybe, but if it's just Sony first party games using them, probably not. Wait and see I 'spose.
Adaptive triggers though... It all depends on wide adoption. If 3rd parties are using them frequently on PS5, yeah, maybe, but if it's just Sony first party games using them, probably not. Wait and see I 'spose.
Its not an "add on" it would be sold with every xbox going forward starting at a certain point, similar to the updated controllers we had this gen with Bluetooth support.
your trigger locking when the gun is jammed and stopping you from shooting is far more disruptive than having to move your fingers to the touchpad and do a natural motion to zoom in or out on a map or using gyro correction to fine tune your aim using the dual sticks
if added to a standard controller a feature is as disruptive or addictive as its implementation
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Wow someone look like they woke up on the wrong side of the bed. That's very cute. Pipe down fellow, there is no need for you to get uptight because someone corrected you on something.
Also licensing is cheaper than developing your own tech, it is the very reason why a lot of game development studios license game engines. Yes MS has the money to develop the tech themselves but it might be something they would rather licnese it than waste their time developing one.
a game made to showcase said feature no less
if i had to make my own prediction i would say Astrobot will be the best implementation of it in a long while.
I doubt it, since they don't even have a gyro in the new controllers. All they did was add a share button.
Frankly though, I don't see what all the hype is about with the DS5 though. Haptics are neat, but I'd much rather see meaningful changes to ergonomics like a split design and grip buttons.
After keyboard & mouse for decades on PC, the Switch Joy-Cons, and VR controllers, going back to a more traditional controller design feels bad.
For me, that's the main thing which is exciting about the DS5 - that it will be able to emulate short trigger stops and dual-stage triggers.
I use short-throw triggers (with haptics) and dual-stage triggers all the time on the Steam controller.
Bad motion controls are things like the motion puzzles in Breath of the Wild.
Good motion controls are gyro aiming in games that implement it well (BotW is only passable in my opinion) and things like hand tracking in VR.
I've never been more immersed than playing VR with motion controls, and even things like gyro aiming -especially with split controllers- helps to make control more natural and intuitive compared to analog sticks.
I just don't get people that only want "traditional" controls in their games and for things to be stuck back in the '90s as far as control is concerned, as if the original DualShock was the pinnacle of design and nothing could be better.
Frankly though, I don't see what all the hype is about with the DS5 though. Haptics are neat, but I'd much rather see meaningful changes to ergonomics like a split design and grip buttons.
After keyboard & mouse for decades on PC, the Switch Joy-Cons, and VR controllers, going back to a more traditional controller design feels bad.
The adaptive triggers should eliminate the need for trigger stops.
For me, that's the main thing which is exciting about the DS5 - that it will be able to emulate short trigger stops and dual-stage triggers.
I use short-throw triggers (with haptics) and dual-stage triggers all the time on the Steam controller.
Maybe try, and you won't be dragged for your antiquated thoughts on gyro/motion controls.
Bad motion controls are things like the motion puzzles in Breath of the Wild.
Good motion controls are gyro aiming in games that implement it well (BotW is only passable in my opinion) and things like hand tracking in VR.
It's so weird to see statements like these when it's the total opposite of my own experience.
I've never been more immersed than playing VR with motion controls, and even things like gyro aiming -especially with split controllers- helps to make control more natural and intuitive compared to analog sticks.
I just don't get people that only want "traditional" controls in their games and for things to be stuck back in the '90s as far as control is concerned, as if the original DualShock was the pinnacle of design and nothing could be better.
That doesn't make much sense, gyro and touch pad add a new input method, adding to controllers, triggers interaction seems to be on the: make it harder to press or jam entirely, making them more disruptive, all cool tech ofc, sony did a great job adding to the controller, it has it all.
this makes no sense and you clearly made your mind and didnt even bother reading my response, were done here
I imagine the whole Kinect with XBox One fiasco influenced Microsoft's decision to skip any input innovations this time around.
Only if Dualsense becomes a notable differentiator in multi-platform reviews will Microsoft consider updating their controller.
Only if Dualsense becomes a notable differentiator in multi-platform reviews will Microsoft consider updating their controller.
You literally quoted a post of mine giving detailed reasons why I dislike the feature and my experiences with it through the generations, and then you replied with "Maybe just try it." Maybe just accept that some people don't like it even after trying it.
Why couldn't it just be part of their version specific optimisations? Also, there no reason why this can't be compatible with PC, I think it's likely it'll be part of their suite of cross compatible features.
Only if they manually allow you to set them which I don't think they do? It's set by the game, no? That's not the same as being able to say 'I want my triggers to have zero throw and basically act as digital buttons for my entire Warzone session'. Which was definitely one of the biggest selling points of the controller for my Warzone crew.
I've never once played a game on the Xbox and thought, "this game is missing gyro control." It's not a necessary feature like dual thumb sticks and triggers.
People don't even know that Xbox One controllers have trigger vibration, so I don't think Microsoft will make any effort about updating their triggers.
I bet you that the opposite will happen: Players will get used to all features in the controller and become frustrated in their absence.
I could see Microsoft adding Gyro into their controllers like how did they the 3.5mm headphone jack (first an adapter for existing controllers, then built in), but I can't see adaptive triggers (although I hope I'm wrong on that) as they would need to have a new way of doing it unless Sony wants to let them use their patient.
No, everybody says that but it's completely wrong, I saw a list where there were 20+ games already supporting it in launch window.
It's pretty easy to use it for devs, Sony made it very simple, nearly every game will use it. And yes, MS will probably copy it a few years down the line, like Share button. As they should.
unless it's the sole reason for PC users to start using the PS5 contoller instead of the Xbox one, I doubt it. Hoprefully the second iteration has back buttons.
I'm sure the quality of the tactile enhancements on DualSense will be a boon to many first party single player games over the course of the generation.
But I think the bigger missing element from the Xbox pad is gyro for me.
Gyro as an enhancement is much more far-reaching as it normally maps to camera control or aiming when it is used and both of those are something you do in almost every game.
But I think the bigger missing element from the Xbox pad is gyro for me.
Gyro as an enhancement is much more far-reaching as it normally maps to camera control or aiming when it is used and both of those are something you do in almost every game.
Ok I'm glad you are here to tell me what I meant. That's quite the service you are providing.
- Wifi support for Cloud Gaming purposes
- Gyro
- Haptic feedback
- Adaptive triggers
They are desperately in need of a refreshed controller. After feeling the Dualsense they still have the best ergonomics/design but such limited features I sincerely hope they DO update within the next 1-3 years.
- Gyro
- Haptic feedback
- Adaptive triggers
They are desperately in need of a refreshed controller. After feeling the Dualsense they still have the best ergonomics/design but such limited features I sincerely hope they DO update within the next 1-3 years.
