Pre-orders are up for Xbox's proprietary SSD at Best Buy ($219 for 1TB)

Tap In · Sep 24, 2020

Necrokey said:
i think im gonna stick to my plan where i use my 2TB HDD to store games off the SSD and just transfer them as i need. Its clunky but boy its better than spending over $200.

Yep

No need to buy unless you got plenty of cash to spare

And on the S, remember assets for games are expected to be around half the size of the X so it's relative.

Just what were dealing with to have this fast game use storage this Gen. It's a fair trade for me if it makes games load super fast and adds to the performance.

But keeping cold storage should be piece of cake as having 5-6 games at a time playable is probably best for my obsessive nature anyway

Ωλ7XL9 · Sep 24, 2020

This was expected price considering that it's proprietary right?

JaseC64 · Sep 24, 2020

tulpa said:
So uh, same price for more than 3x performance?

Proprietary vs off the shelf.

PS5 may end up with cheaper alternatives for expansion.

Sony made the right choice here for internal storage expansion. The Samsung drive is the "top end" model so other brands could be cheaper. Over time there will be more options and more competition = better prices.

Deleted member 20297 · Sep 24, 2020

Belthazar90 said:
And we don't know how large will the OS take and block from use (for video recording and whatnot). Didn't X1's OS +$$ 130 GB or something? I remember the threads on forums of people complaining their consoles had like 300GB available storage.

That doesn't mean it will take the same amount next gen.

Friskykillface · Sep 24, 2020

Just enough for next gen Warzone
I wonder how much space that'll take up with Cold War since it's the same as MW, both on the same screen so you need to download both

tulpa · Sep 24, 2020

BobLoblaw said:
There won't be 4k textures on the Series S. Besides, Activision has the worse compression imaginable.

Does One S have 4K textures? Because it's over 200GB on One S. Regardless, 10-15 games is assuming a 30-50GB file size and AAA game sizes are regularly double that now

Deleted member 20297 · Sep 24, 2020

So who does the "certification" for SSDs for PS5? Sony? The manufacturer? What happens if you plug in a drive that's not fast enough? Do they do a speed test on the drive when you plug it in?

Guru Meditation · Sep 24, 2020

Just going to get something cheap for cold storage and swap a game in if needed. Don't think I'll need immediate access to 2TB worth of games.

Shirkelton · Sep 24, 2020

c0de said:
So who does the "certification" for SSDs for PS5? Sony?

Sony, they're putting out a whitelist.

krae_man · Sep 24, 2020

Belthazar90 said:
And we don't know how large will the OS take and block from use (for video recording and whatnot). Didn't X1's OS +$$ 130 GB or something? I remember the threads on forums of people complaining their consoles had like 300GB available storage.

Not to mention the suspend and resume feature. Do they set aside a specific amount of HD space for it, or allow users to suspend as many games as they want if the hard drive space is there? If you make a habit of suspending everything you are playing you could quickly have a lot of space eaten up without realizing it.

tulpa · Sep 24, 2020

c0de said:
So who does the "certification" for SSDs for PS5? Sony? The manufacturer?

I believe Sony will

c0de said:
What happens if you plug in a drive that's not fast enough?

It won't work?

c0de said:
Do they do a speed test on the drive when you plug it in?

They haven't made it clear yet, but that's what the assumption is.

maximumzero · Sep 24, 2020

Buy an external HHD or SSD and shuffle around your games as necessary if you think this is too pricey.

Deleted member 70824 · Sep 24, 2020

ouch. that means it's probably $349 to sell here in Australia.

I think I'll be sticking with external HDD for a while yet

Crazymoogle · Sep 24, 2020

xxracerxx said:
Seems on par.

Still not really sure what the XSX expansion is; it could be a fullspeed TLC PCIe4 single-chip drive that halves the bandwidth, or it could be QLC in which case there are cheaper options. Not a lot cheaper, but generally QLC is discounted compared to TLC drives.

c0de said:
So who does the "certification" for SSDs for PS5? Sony? The manufacturer? What happens if you plug in a drive that's not fast enough? Do they do a speed test on the drive when you plug it in?

Sony. The PS5 drive is a 12 channel TLC implementation so there's no apples:apples sold anywhere, but the common assumption based on what Cerny said is that any drive capable of 7GB/s+ is going to be compatible, so

Samsung 980 Pro
Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus
GAMMIX S70 Gen 4 (new model)
and basically all of the Phison E18 based, 7.5GB/s SSDs shipping this holiday

We don't know for certain (and they haven't demoed what would happen with a slower drive) but that's the assumption thus far.

Belthazar90 · Sep 24, 2020

c0de said:
That doesn't mean it will take the same amount next gen.

Yes, that's why I started my post with "And we don't know". But still, I can't see the reserved space being smaller, specially with automatic video recording still being a thing.

nihilence · Sep 24, 2020

How fast or slow is it to transfer from a USB storage device or not blazing fast ssd?

StopMakingSense · Sep 24, 2020

xxracerxx said:
Seems on par.

These absolutely will not be on par with the chips you get in Samsung Pro series NVMEs. Those are for high end professional applications. (I was actually surprised at how relatively not expensive the 980 Pros are, fwiw).

edit: huh, Samsung moved the Pros to TLC for the 980 series, I guess these are the new EVOs.

MrBob · Sep 24, 2020

Wonder if we see a price drop for Xbox proprietary ssd because over time the add on ssds for ps5 will get cheaper due to competition and scale due to making more for Pc usage too.

James Whiteneck · Sep 24, 2020

I hope theres some changes at the OS level that helps automatically manage your storage if you are using an external non-SSD drive.

metsallica · Sep 24, 2020

Thanks for the link, got my order in. Do we have any sense of availability on the Sony equivalent, or if there will even be one?

xxracerxx · Sep 24, 2020

StopMakingSense said:
These absolutely will not be on par with the chips you get in Samsung Pro NVMEs. Those are for high end professional applications.

The speculation is, is that these will be PS5 usable. Look at what I was responding to (a poster saying that the PS5 options would be more expensive).

dom · Sep 24, 2020

Crazymoogle said:
Still not really sure what the XSX expansion is; it could be a fullspeed TLC PCIe4 single-chip drive that halves the bandwidth, or it could be QLC in which case there are cheaper options. Not a lot cheaper, but generally QLC is discounted compared to TLC drives.

Sony. The PS5 drive is a 12 channel TLC implementation so there's no apples:apples sold anywhere, but the common assumption based on what Cerny said is that any drive capable of 7GB/s+ is going to be compatible, so

Samsung 980 Pro
Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus
GAMMIX S70 Gen 4 (new model)
and basically all of the Phison E18 based, 7.5GB/s SSDs shipping this holiday

We don't know for certain (and they haven't demoed what would happen with a slower drive) but that's the assumption thus far.

You don't need drives faster than 7 GB/s. That's the limit for PCI 4x4. We don't know what the minimum is needed, all we know is that it has to be above the PS5's 5.5 GB/s.

Apath · Sep 24, 2020

Deleted member 20297 · Sep 24, 2020

nihilence said:
How fast or slow is it to transfer from a USB storage device or not blazing fast ssd?

~6GB/minute.

bitcloudrzr · Sep 24, 2020

BobLoblaw said:
What is this based on? Game sizes on the Series S will be 30% smaller than Series X, though.

Based on PS5 game install sizes, just look at where current gen games are already.

ScubaSteve693 said:
Which honestly seems like a good deal for the speed that the SSD will run at.

The advantage of third party price competition, I think a lot of people are surprised at the pricing though as most were thinking $300.

RedRum · Sep 24, 2020

Dumb question, but can we get cheaper storage for something that fits that port or are these expensive ones the only thing you can use?

Deleted member 70824 · Sep 24, 2020

c0de said:
I went with an S and I'm completely fine.

Lol me too. It's not a big deal.

Belthazar90 · Sep 24, 2020

c0de said:
So who does the "certification" for SSDs for PS5? Sony? The manufacturer? What happens if you plug in a drive that's not fast enough? Do they do a speed test on the drive when you plug it in?

Cerny said they'll release a whitelist as they become available, but I doubt the console will outright block SSDs that aren't whitelisted. The console will most likely run a test as you boot it with a new off-the-shelf SSD, to ensure that the PS5 can make it match the internal drive's performance

MrBenchmark · Sep 24, 2020

MrBob said:
Wonder if we see a price drop for Xbox proprietary ssd because over time the add on ssds for ps5 will get cheaper due to competition.

SSD will get cheaper thru mass adoption and when companies actually stop fixing prices of chips. I took forever for mechanical drive prices to drop but they did.

StopMakingSense · Sep 24, 2020

xxracerxx said:
The speculation is, is that these will be PS5 usable. Look at what I was responding to (a poster saying that the PS5 options would be more expensive).

Yeah, fair enough. Apologies for missing the context. Also I didn't realize Samsung moved the Pros to TLC from MLC for the 980, which is odd. So, there's that, too.

Smokey · Sep 24, 2020

That's tough.

Pyro · Sep 24, 2020

I pre-ordered a Series S

Edit: With that said it's just gonna be a GamePass machine so I'll delete games once I'm done/they leave the service. Will most likely only keep old games on there which aren't as big.

Guru Meditation · Sep 24, 2020

MrBob said:
Wonder if we see a price drop for Xbox proprietary ssd because over time the add on ssds for ps5 will get cheaper due to competition and scale due to making more for Pc usage too.

I imagine so but probably slower since it's proprietary. But they're not going to want to look like they're price gouging if the ps5 one is $100 cheaper in a year.

MrBenchmark · Sep 24, 2020

RedRum said:
Dumb question, but can we get cheaper storage for something that fits that port or are these expensive ones the only thing you can use?

you could still use a usb SSD drive if you wanted but the new games won't run off it would just make back and forth transfers faster.

Digital Savior · Sep 24, 2020

Looks cheaper and faster than the current lot of CFexpress cards available. I guess it's an ok deal?

Could still just get a USB 3.2 external SSD for storage. Wouldn't take too long to move games over.

I have put a pre-order in for one of these things though. I kind of miss memory cards. Fucking nostalgia.

brawndolicious · Sep 24, 2020

Fuck a duck. Hopefully costs come down in line with normal NVME drives over the next couple years.

nihilence said:
How fast or slow is it to transfer from a USB storage device or not blazing fast ssd?

You'll probably get around 100 MB/second with a 7200 RPM HDD so for a 100GB game, that's about 15-20 minutes I think.

c0de said:
So who does the "certification" for SSDs for PS5? Sony? The manufacturer? What happens if you plug in a drive that's not fast enough? Do they do a speed test on the drive when you plug it in?

Sony whitelists individual models but if you put in an SSD that they didn't certify yet, the PS5 will probably just assume that it's a good enough SSD. It might do a quick benchmark but worst case scenario, the game just crashes and you'll have to return the SSD.

Carbon · Sep 24, 2020

StopMakingSense said:
Yeah, fair enough. Also I didn't realize Samsung moved the Pros to TLC from MLC for the 980, so, there's that, too.

Yeah, it almost seems like Samsung is doing a rebrand on their SSD line. Which would explain the much cheaper starting price.
Makes me wonder if they're going to come out with a separate enterprise level SSD line that still uses MLC?

This price for the Microsoft Storage is pretty much as expected. Hope it can get cheaper over time.

Chanser · Sep 24, 2020

Reminds me of buying Xbox 360 arcade, then buying 120GB upgrade.

Community Forum · Sep 24, 2020

James Whiteneck said:
I hope theres some changes at the OS level that helps automatically manage your storage if you are using an external non-SSD drive.

Yes. It would be neat if you click on a game in your library, but it's on your external HDD, that the system would say "ok this needs to be moved, it will take xx minutes." Then you could play other things in the meantime while waiting. And what if the internal ssd is full, maybe it would just automatically intelligently move the games you have played the longest ago over to your cold storage. So many questions, but an intelligent data movement system like this seems possible, at least on paper.

Geode · Sep 24, 2020

Ouch, I thought it would be lower. I was kinda hoping Microsoft would extend some goodwill towards us gamers. This kinda lowered my interest in Xbox after the Bethesda hype. I guess we'll have to see how big the games are.

James Whiteneck · Sep 24, 2020

Community Forum said:
Yes. It would be neat if you click on a game in your library, but it's on your external HDD, that the system would say "ok this needs to be moved, it will take xx minutes." Then you could play other things in the meantime while waiting. And what if the internal ssd is full, maybe it would just automatically intelligently move the games you have played the longest ago over to your cold storage. So many questions, but an intelligent data movement system like this seems possible, at least on paper.

Yeah, might not be available for launch but certainly seems plausible to add at some point.

DukeBlueBall · Sep 24, 2020

Yep, going with cold storage on external HDD. Most games would take less than 15 minutes to backup.

Deeke · Sep 24, 2020

xxracerxx said:
Seems on par.

Idk if it's a price error but I'm seeing 1TB for $149 which is a steal at that price-to-perf ratio.

Amazon.com: SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 500GB - PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Single Unit Version (MZ-V8P500B/AM): Computers & Accessories

Buy SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 500GB - PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Single Unit Version (MZ-V8P500B/AM): Electronics - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

dark494 · Sep 24, 2020

ITT people are still under the delusion that every single game is over 100 GB in size and they're the same size on S as X.

Deeke said:
Idk if it's a price error but I'm seeing 1TB for $149 which is a steal at that price-to-perf ratio.

Amazon.com: SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 500GB - PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Single Unit Version (MZ-V8P500B/AM): Computers & Accessories

Buy SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 500GB - PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Single Unit Version (MZ-V8P500B/AM): Electronics - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

That's a 500gb

CloseTalker · Sep 24, 2020

Expensive, but maybe sometime in the future. In the meantime, happy to keep the 2TB external storage I have on my One X to store and transfer games to and from. Glad they're offering that as a solution, makes it so this SSD is needless so long as you have some patience.

tulpa · Sep 24, 2020

dark494 said:
ITT people are still under the delusion that every single game is over 100 GB in size and they're the same size on S as X.

Who said that?

dark494 · Sep 24, 2020

tulpa said:
Does One S have 4K textures?

NO! For the millionth time that this has been repeated in every thread, no.

Webbo · Sep 24, 2020

It will be interesting to see if these come down in price overtime, like regular 'off the shelf' drives inevitably will that are compatible with PS5.

tulpa · Sep 24, 2020

dark494 said:
NO! For the millionth time that this has been repeated in every thread, no.

Not sure you got the point of my post lol it was a hypothetical question. I was making the point that despite the lack of 4K textures it was still a very large file size.

Deleted member 9857 · Sep 24, 2020

dark494 said:
That's a 500gb

yeah it seems like Amazon has them mislabeled

Pre-orders are up for Xbox's proprietary SSD at Best Buy ($219 for 1TB)

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