Right? "We are working on it" is what I expect to see in a work email when one of the office printers are down.
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Pope admits Catholic Church had their own sex slaves.
- Thread starter Buzzman
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Nice to see he's more concerned with how this looks than actually doing anything about it. Typical. And of course they're still somehow above the law as usual. The cops should be swarming all these churches/covenants and investigating them.
I wonder if seeing all this is what part of what made Ratzinger hang up his hat and say "fuck this." Perhaps a different sort of mess that he thought he'd be dealing with as Pope.
Come on IRS, revoke the tax exempt status of the Catholic Church, FBI send in agents to investigate the Catholic Churches in the US for crimes.
I'm sceptical that the vow of celibacy is the defining factor at play here. In Australia, the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse was published a couple years ago, and implicated essentially every organised religion as complicit in systemic abuse.
The Catholic Church was the most prominent, which leads me to believe that celibacy may be a force multiplier, but ultimately, the power structures of these institutions seem to be what lead to wide spread and systemised abuse
Celibacy has nothing to do with it. I went single for three years for various reasons and I didn't assault children or had sex male slaves.
Celibacy excuses nothing and it's their choices. The problem is the catholic church seems to attract all kind of awful predators because people actual trust the catholic church. It's like why there are so much molester around school jobs. It's all about making it easy for them to get the closest possible to their victim.
It's downright fucked and his answer is even more disturbing. "We're working on it", like they're updating Windows or fixing a bridge. Disgusting.
Why does the church exist if they prove they are 100% out of line with the word of god.
And in all religions, your relationship with god is personal and your own. You don't need Idols, which all of these people are, or palaces of gold to be loved by the lord.
Just, nostalgia?
Stay home, stay safe, love the lord. Help out other people. Its not that hard. Why are you at a billion dollar cathedral built by slaves? I mean.. its transparent.
And in all religions, your relationship with god is personal and your own. You don't need Idols, which all of these people are, or palaces of gold to be loved by the lord.
Just, nostalgia?
Stay home, stay safe, love the lord. Help out other people. Its not that hard. Why are you at a billion dollar cathedral built by slaves? I mean.. its transparent.
I agree. I clarified in a later post.
But isn't downright strange that all clergy must be celibate. It's not just one type of clergy, but the entire group, bishops, nuns, and so on. What other organization demands such unrealistic standards, for life even?
I wasn't talking so much about pedophilia, which is a huge problem, but the sexual slavery aspect in the OP.
In fairness, one could argue that the celibacy vows also add to the job attracting weirdos since it's a huge deal breaker for a lot of more normal people
Sort of when you think about the priest and nun set up it's sort of not surprising I guess. It would probably be a healthier set up honestly if it was like hey we will arrange marriages between priests and nuns (or even better, just let women be priests and let both men and women priests marry whoever they want).
Most prominent American churches have the same sorts of skeletons (probably the lesser ones do too but the megachurches obviously get most of the attention). Seems to go hand-in-hand with a certain form of authoritarianism, especially one tending to emphasize traditional gender roles.
What? It's the Catholic church. They ARE the authorities. Depending on who you talk to / what you believe, the only one with more authority than the Pope, is GOD.
I wouldnt be surprised if this was something that has happened since the beginning of churches that had nuns, especially when the priest probably makes the rules and due to being sworn to not do sexual acts makes it that much harder for nuns to go out and say it. In olden times they'd probably.be burned at the stake if this type of stuff ever got out for being "unpure"
In what world is the leader of an organization that has sex slaves "a hero"?
Edit: Just realized this was sarcasm. I'm sorry, it's late here.
I don't think they can. The US catholic conservatives would never go for it. Also, it would inevitably lead to financial malfeasance. This shit happens now without heirs or spouses let alone once you add that burden or temptation.
With great power, comes great corruption.
That's the moral story of humanity. Have a bunch of people operating above the law (whether actual or perceived). Fuck all the big power structures, monetarily, militarily, politically, religiously. Fuck the whole thing. Argh!
That's the moral story of humanity. Have a bunch of people operating above the law (whether actual or perceived). Fuck all the big power structures, monetarily, militarily, politically, religiously. Fuck the whole thing. Argh!
The church was and is wild lol especially around the renaissance. The popes and cardinals that commissioned Michelangelo and Raphael went to war, had petty fights, multiple mistresses and offspring. All pretty open too.
Really wish more Catholics knew this stuff. This story is contemporary but popes a thousand years ago were literal powerful warlords.
Really wish more Catholics knew this stuff. This story is contemporary but popes a thousand years ago were literal powerful warlords.
It has nothing to do with good deeds making up for horrible acts and everything to do with the fact that 'the Church' is not a monolith and that people are going to be more focused on their local churches and congregations than what is going on hundreds or thousands of kilometers away from them. At worst they're apathetic to something that isn't happening in their backyard, certainly not complicit.
Positions of trust and authority tend to breed a higher than average rate of isolated incidents (see public schools, for example)
Where this really goes off the rails is when you have institutions with their own layer before police can be called in and incentive to protect their public image - see colleges, churches and the military. The sanctity of the confessional acts as a cover-up layer in this case, specifically.
I'm beginning to think large religious organisations with unlimited wealth and power might be a bad idea.
That was never going to solve these institutionalized problems of this level.
I mean, FUCK.
Jesus Christ.......this gets worst all the time.
Also bet none of the priests had anything other than a relocation happen to them. Same shit they do with the pedophiles. Someone needs to launch massive investigations into the church
Also bet none of the priests had anything other than a relocation happen to them. Same shit they do with the pedophiles. Someone needs to launch massive investigations into the church
The absolute motherfucking gual of these motherfuckers. He had the courage to "disolve a female congregation" after finding out they were sex slaves? That's courageous? What happened to the priests involved?
We had a royal commission in Australia recently, you can read up on the recommendations and awful things exposed. The highlight for me was recommending that if someone confesses that they are molesting children, that this should be reported to police. This seems fair enough to me.
To date the Church has been basically "lol nope." And nothing will happen. If anything they are circling the wagons and pushing for more laws to protect "religious freedoms".
Turns out being a private group with all the money and power in the world does in fact allow you to do whatever the fuck you want.
I wonder how much longer it will take until the church finally connects their repressive and sin and shame based sexual teachings to the atrocities that are happening as a result.
The catholic "theology of the body" is probably one of the most harmful pieces of ideology in human history. The amount of human suffering it has caused is incomprehensible.
The catholic "theology of the body" is probably one of the most harmful pieces of ideology in human history. The amount of human suffering it has caused is incomprehensible.
I can see trying to quell the reaction a bit.
I wonder if it's lost in translation.
Admitting there is a problem is a huge first step, but it's only worthwhile if it's followed by changes.
This pope has been two steps forward, one step back.
Overall it's progress in the right direction, and an improvement over the last.
It's pretty much all public relations crap.. what actual steps forward have happened under Francis?
Yeah, don't take my view as defending the church.
I just hope he is willing to take the steps to fix their continued issues.
Francis has been willing to make changes that have pissed people off, so there is a chance of real change.
But, if it's happened, we don't see it yet.
Edit: Many of his 'changes' have been words, not actions. You have a point there.
Burn it all down. Burn it all down in the name of the actual teachings of said religion, if nothing else. Came into this thread thinking it would be about centuries old thing when religion was above government or some shit, not present day stuff. God dammit. Fucking hell.
