Holy shit. Stories like these make me rethink my choice in the poll even more. Damn.
Hope everything is well.
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Poll: Come on in and vote. Show how you really feel about the THQ-Nordic AMA@8chan fiasco
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Holy shit. Stories like these make me rethink my choice in the poll even more. Damn.
Hope everything is well.
Not all, but a lot.
I agree it's fucked up to want to see other users bite it.
Lol the reason no one is saying "separate art from artist" is because the people involved in this scandal were PR people and executives not artists.
I enjoyed Darksiders from a lore and story standpoint and wanted to see the story finish, but as long as its with that company, I just wont bother.
Evil? Come on dude, you don't even know the definition of evil. What THQ-Nordic did was just stupid. Looking back at all their published and developed games(when they were still just THQ), I only ever bought 2 games, and it was the Spongebob movie game for the GBA, and the first destroy all humans. To bad the poll is trash, and won't let me choose "don't care about thq-nordic games"Looks at the poll
And yet yall wonder why Evil stills wins
Proliferating child pornography is apparently merely "stupid". I learned something new today.
If you count all games and IPs they publish and put their names on they are already quite big in europe. Whoever buys Yakuza, Persona, Shenmue, Final Fantasy, Dirt Ralley, Metro, Nier, everything TecmoKoei etc. games in europe supports them. So i guess its much harder to boykott them in Europe. And they publish a ton of small german games, really good point and click adventures most of US Resetera wouldn't even know.
The obvious one is "I might buy one or more games from them", recognizing that future events and circumstances can sway the decision either way.
Oh no resistance isn't futile but it is the system which creates the evil. Acting from within the system is pointless. The system itself must be changed.
You know people spend too much time with video games when they hold them in higher regard than having moral standards... or actually fucked up shit like pedophilia.
Oh gee, what unimaginable sacrifices have to be made to make this world a better place.
So stories like this...
...mean nothing to you as long as you get to play your video games?
And yet not only are people choosing the bad person option, many are defending their choice.
by all means, people should boycott what they want, but I think few here realize how many games they buy will add to this company's profits and how unlikely it is they'll avoid doing so.
Well we certainly agree on that. I still think that organizing with what we have is better than nothing, however.
On the one hand... promoting child pornography = bad!
On the other, Biomutant = good!
hard choice
That would be choice 2; evidently if the answer isn't "I won't make a point not to buy games from them in the future", then it's "I will buy games from them if I find them interesting".
Unless you really think the poll is diminished by the absence of a third "I will actually buy their games even if I'm not interested in them" choice? :)
Developer and publisher are seperate. For the most part THQ owns these developers but realistically not in any influential way thst they'd start promoting toxic idealogies. Someone like Capcom is different in they very much make their own games and thus influence.
Yes. I believe what came from the game was worth my purchase and was able to distinguish the idealogies of the studio lead to the whole of the developer team. I also weighed in on those discussions prior and believe his Gamergate beliefs are wrong and not right. I also believe the game itself was perfectly fine in its setting and historical choice as shown by large volumes of historical information. Both sides had great discussion points and I look forward to Warhorse working on further creating some great realistic historic pieces.
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Yeah, they do have a pretty large library, it's just that, from what I've seen, they're not often mentioned in the same breath as like... the big three, EA, Ubi, SE, Activision, Capcom, etc. I can't speak for parts of Europe, but before all this, people generally seemed to have stronger opinions about those publishers (whether good or bad).
What I saw was an edgy attempt of an AMA, even when they denied it. I don't believe THQ Nordic and its subsidiary companies actually promotes and advocate this stuff. I don't think my opinion will change unless there is a larger pattern of misconduct. Doubt they will ever dare to do such a thing again.
I might buy some games if they interest me.
I might buy some games if they interest me.
Loving the fact that anyone who chose "I will not boycott their games" [effectively] are being painted as evil now. Good work people.
Exactly; they've got a big portfolio, but the actual reach and cultural significance of that portfolio doesn't compare to that of the companies you listed.
Exactly; they've got a big portfolio, but the actual reach and cultural significance of that portfolio doesn't compare to that of the companies you listed.
I'm not a Sith, OP.
I'll not buy a game as the company exists now...
But after some Spring Cleaning? Sure, why not?
I'll not buy a game as the company exists now...
But after some Spring Cleaning? Sure, why not?
Eh, that's quite a leap, if you are talking about that pic the the "boob grab", for me that was more awfully childish and out of taste, otherwise most of manga and anime with 100 years old "witchs" are straight child porn.
I don't dispute that child porn is actually on 8chan (taking from granted what you say since I never visited the site, only watched the screen caps of the THQ topic), but there was in the topic of the THQ ama? other then the manga pic that it really isn't?
Repeat, no excuse for the PR fuck-up but as other ppl are saying in this topic, life isn't black or white, you can't go full "THQ endorse pedophilia" with that AMA, more like THQ have some really shitty PR and have to think how marketing works.
Saying that, I'm not going to punish developers for a stupid decision made from a bunch of people, so I'll pick Biomutant and other games when I will feel right to buy them, as I do with other games.
Only if they excised whatever management let that AMA happen and demonstrated a change in their core values. Doing some kind of charity work would help.
- Acting from within the system is pointless.
- Acting from outside the system is impossible.
- Therefore my best course of action is to do nothing.
If I had a dime every time I have heard some variant of this, I'd have enough money to buy out the entire system myself. :P
Given the result of the Persona 5 poll, the results of this one don't surprise me in the least. It seems Era has a tendency to speak with a progressive voice but act with apathy.
Here's a different take; one of the main stakeholders and the highest PR director for the company probably hang out at 8chan privately and wanted to connect with their audience for promotional purposes. Does that notion change anything for you or does it not matter?
First off, they know exactly what 8chan is. They know that there is child porn on there. Second, there was plenty of vile stuff being posted WITHIN their AMA, and being literally two clicks on the same site away from child porn definitely counts as linking to it, especially when it's a site that is blacklisted from search engines for that explicit purpose.
Third, you must buy a lot of games if you care that much about not punishing developers. Where were you when Psygnosis/Studio Liverpool got shut down because you didn't buy enough WipEout games?
Yeh. That's why I was wondering how the reaction would differ were it one of them.
I can't place blame on Devs of games I'm potentially interested in because of some upper management fuck up. What THQ Nordic did is a disgrace, and whilst I am now reluctant to purchase their titles going forward it seems unfair to punish hardworking teams of people for that mistake.
Imagine any other company doing an AMA on a site like 8ch. Why do we give it a pass because it's gaming?
Maybe that's the reason this medium it's still seen as a fucking joke compared to others.
At best what THQ-Nordic did was unethical and stupid for simply having it there, at worst THQ-Nordic brought more traffic to 8chan and made some replies that are disgusting (one off the top of my head is the "big breasted loli" question) that they did not have to make. Considering what 8chan hosts and what its users post and share anyway, I don't blame them for calling THQ-Nordic evil, don't know why upper management wouldn't pull the plug on this before it started.
If a poll is asking whether or not you'll buy from a company for the foreseeable future, it'll ask "yes" or "no." Having a "maybe" or "don't care" option doesn't really add anything to the discussion; since those options were omitted, anyone looking at the poll can choose not to answer it if they so please.
Yes, a single person cannot effect change from outside the system. That's why the most important short to medium term goal is to convince people that the system is inherently broken. With enough people we can effect change from outside the system.
Getting caught up by saying this particular corporation is evil implies there can exists ones which are not and that with enough boycotts we can change it from evil to good. That doesn't help.
If you can show me a larger pattern of misconduct that the company supports these things, then yes.
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I can't think of a successful progressive boycott.
See Chik Fila.
Most folk just don't care.
Have had no interests in games published by them anyway, but this will definitely be on my mind if do get interested in one. When that time comes, I really doubt I will go for it then, or get it used. It is a shame that this will just likely blow over as a oops our bad, moving on.
Sorry, you're right, I forgot the corollary:
- The best course of action for me is talk about it, but actually do nothing.
The mental gymnastics needed to justify that doing nothing is actually more productive than doing something is, in itself, bound to burn a lot of calories, so there's that!
This is my stance as well. What THQ Nordic did is batshit insane and dumb as fuck. I haven't purchased something off of them in a long time but I don't know if I could condemn any of their studios based on their actions by avoiding a game I'd like to get.
Threadmarks in the original thread should tell you all you need to know. Go read them if you haven't. If that along with specifically buying out Warhorse in order to support a pro-Gamergate dev studio doesn't convince you, I don't know what exactly you are looking for?
So, we can't place the blame on a company when "some intern" or "lowly PR twitter person" says/does vile shit, and we certainly can't place any blame on the company when the literal OWNERS and managers say/do vile shit. So when is the time to take a stand, in your opinion? Never? Treat corporations like individual people? Hmm.
Under the current circumstances, I won't be buying from them.
If they open up about why this happened and give a more complete apology then I could be convinced to buy their games again. But for now, no chance.
If they open up about why this happened and give a more complete apology then I could be convinced to buy their games again. But for now, no chance.
You can't google, either?
https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethicalcampaigns/boycotts/history-successful-boycotts
Also not sure how the "progressive" label applies. Denouncing pedophilia is "progressive" now?
Well from my point of view you are expending effort on pointless boycotts that only serve to help the system which creates the evil you claim to be opposed to.
THQ dont seem to be making anything im interested in so avoiding them wont exactly be a challenge.
The fact their management dont seem to care they have a marketing and PR team that thinks being associated with supporting child porn is a good idea is giant red alarm though.
The fact their management dont seem to care they have a marketing and PR team that thinks being associated with supporting child porn is a good idea is giant red alarm though.
8 pages in and people are still talking about "punishing devs".
Some people genuinely are concerned but it's probably hard to tell when some people are using it as a smokescreen to hide their true opinion. The internet is a tricky place.
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