I will, if the games are good, just like always. This was obviously a poorly planned marketing stunt that backfired, and I personally feel is far from a public endorsement of pedophilia.
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Poll: Come on in and vote. Show how you really feel about the THQ-Nordic AMA@8chan fiasco
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Yeah this is the only gaming one. I didn't know other places had such an accusatory tone as we do towards its own members. But whatever.
Please tell me about all these other possible reactions besides "I will buy one or more games from them" and "I will buy zero games from them". Mathematically it seems to cover the entire spectrum of possibilities?
Regardless of how you want to frame it, they still had to scroll past the - this is a direct quote, as seen in the OP - link at the top of the page for "/trapshota/ - Lolis with a few extra inches", in order to see the - this is a direct quote, as seen in the OP - "Where the big tiddie lolis at?" post, and reply to it with - this is a direct quote, as seen in the OP - "you got them already we'd say". That's still an event that occurred.
"This is the only game where you control a character. It's also the only game I've ever played, but these two facts are probably unrelated".
They own Warhorse Studios and no doubt there is going to be a sequel to Kingdom Come so I'll buy that for sure. I still think it was hilariously bad hosting an AMA on fucking 8chan of all places but the devs are seperate to the publisher.
Uh, yeah i forgot Deep Silver/Koch publishes Sega and Atlus in europe and many more (Square Enix, Koei, Codemasters etc.)
- Persona 5
- Final Fantasy (every game in europe)
- Nier Automata
- Yakuza series
etc. etc.
I own more Koch/Deep Silver published games than i was conscious.
I couldn't give a transient aerial rodent's hindquarters about who made a game I like.
If the para-Nazi Ukrainian "Right Sector" somehow got together and made a game that appealed to me (as a gamer and a person), if it was priced within my budget and wouldn't get instantly banned in my country along with whatever platform it released on, I would probably still buy the damn thing. Or at worst, not immediately write it off based on its origin. I would have my qualms with it, I would wonder what they'd be funding using the money, I'd probably put it very low on the priority list, but at the end of the day a game is a game. Like anything else you buy in a store, its worth is entirely in how it's made and what it's made of.
Let politicians figure out politics, let the police and lawmakers figure out the crimes. If something is illegal, immoral, or unacceptable, then I assume any of the existing systems will remove it from my reach before I'll get a say in it - but once it's on that shelf, actual or virtual, I only have the qualities of the product to inform my decision.
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Mostly because I tend to forget this kind of stuff (who made what game, who sings/performs what song, etc, let alone who posted what on which social media), but still.
If the para-Nazi Ukrainian "Right Sector" somehow got together and made a game that appealed to me (as a gamer and a person), if it was priced within my budget and wouldn't get instantly banned in my country along with whatever platform it released on, I would probably still buy the damn thing. Or at worst, not immediately write it off based on its origin. I would have my qualms with it, I would wonder what they'd be funding using the money, I'd probably put it very low on the priority list, but at the end of the day a game is a game. Like anything else you buy in a store, its worth is entirely in how it's made and what it's made of.
Let politicians figure out politics, let the police and lawmakers figure out the crimes. If something is illegal, immoral, or unacceptable, then I assume any of the existing systems will remove it from my reach before I'll get a say in it - but once it's on that shelf, actual or virtual, I only have the qualities of the product to inform my decision.
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Mostly because I tend to forget this kind of stuff (who made what game, who sings/performs what song, etc, let alone who posted what on which social media), but still.
If a game catches my interest, I'll play it. My support only ends when a line is crossed within the game itself for me, not the moral character of its creators.
I don't particularly believe in the whole "but the devs will suffer" argument, and everything I've read suggests that's not a concern anyone needs to have, that if anything the blame for all this should be laid exactly where it is being laid already so that THQ Nordic will be forced to make a full and convincing apology that could begin to maybe repair the damage they've done to their reputation.
I think it's everyone's right to decide how they want to engage in a boycott, or to not engage in a boycott at all. One thing that worries me with the recent wave of threads about this is that people have gone beyond "what THQ Nordic has done is unacceptable and I will not stand for it" to "if you do not find this behavior equally unacceptable then I will take every opportunity to browbeat you about it." It's worth noting that this is a stance more aggressive than the one most people on this forum take towards people who play games that have been labelled child pornography in the past and thus cannot be discussed on this forum. You can't talk about those games specifically, which I agree is the right choice, but no one has seriously tried to enforce blanket bans on, say, Atlus or Idea Factory games, or to demand that people declare their everlasting boycott of those companies based on the games that have been banned.
I understand people want to make sure this doesn't get swept under the rug. THQ Nordic deserves to have their name become synonymous with 8chan. It was an impossibly stupid and catastrophically bad idea. And every time I think "okay but it's a dumb PR thing and when has PR not done really stupid things," someone will inevitably bring up some recent and honestly trivial game controversy that got far more heat that this is getting, and they're nearly always right about this being a terrible precedent. So I'm not saying this because I don't agree with THQ Nordic being blacklisted or anything.
But something about the militancy bothers me greatly, and I'm not sure I've even found the words to accurately describe why yet. Like, I 100% am on board with people saying they cannot support THQ Nordic in any form after this, and I think they're probably right to. Telling others that they should feel the same or suffer consequences (even if purely social ones) feels like a line that we should try not to cross. If I try to think about other things in my life that people have taken stances against, like becoming vegan so as not to participate in the slaughter of animals, very few of those stances are ones I'd consider militant, ones that are so strong that they'd disassociate from anyone who didn't believe as strongly about that issue as they did.
I think it's everyone's right to decide how they want to engage in a boycott, or to not engage in a boycott at all. One thing that worries me with the recent wave of threads about this is that people have gone beyond "what THQ Nordic has done is unacceptable and I will not stand for it" to "if you do not find this behavior equally unacceptable then I will take every opportunity to browbeat you about it." It's worth noting that this is a stance more aggressive than the one most people on this forum take towards people who play games that have been labelled child pornography in the past and thus cannot be discussed on this forum. You can't talk about those games specifically, which I agree is the right choice, but no one has seriously tried to enforce blanket bans on, say, Atlus or Idea Factory games, or to demand that people declare their everlasting boycott of those companies based on the games that have been banned.
I understand people want to make sure this doesn't get swept under the rug. THQ Nordic deserves to have their name become synonymous with 8chan. It was an impossibly stupid and catastrophically bad idea. And every time I think "okay but it's a dumb PR thing and when has PR not done really stupid things," someone will inevitably bring up some recent and honestly trivial game controversy that got far more heat that this is getting, and they're nearly always right about this being a terrible precedent. So I'm not saying this because I don't agree with THQ Nordic being blacklisted or anything.
But something about the militancy bothers me greatly, and I'm not sure I've even found the words to accurately describe why yet. Like, I 100% am on board with people saying they cannot support THQ Nordic in any form after this, and I think they're probably right to. Telling others that they should feel the same or suffer consequences (even if purely social ones) feels like a line that we should try not to cross. If I try to think about other things in my life that people have taken stances against, like becoming vegan so as not to participate in the slaughter of animals, very few of those stances are ones I'd consider militant, ones that are so strong that they'd disassociate from anyone who didn't believe as strongly about that issue as they did.
Yeah when you think about it, 4A games will come out with another goodie after the latest Metro, Warhorse will also. No way I'm skipping those two.
Well its not the only forum I've been on.. but get your jokes off that's why I'm here.
Like, I'm not planning on buying any games from them any time soon. But this poll.. how can you give a definitive 'no' like that? Who knows what happens in the future. So yes, I'll probably buy a game from them in the future.
I'm not happy about their social media strategy but it's not going to keep me from buying the next Saints Row, no.
Quite conveniently, I just edited my post, knowing somebody would twist it *ahem*. In short: I don't think the post is funny, nor do I condone it - I merely think the dude who thought this was a great idea was making a "satirical" remark given the website they're on.
In terms of the poll, perhaps a more short-term response, such as "I will boycott them until they apologise" might be a good addition?
Yeah see I don't even know what they own, but I would never not buy a sequel to Kingdoms of Amular.
If Biomutant is good and if a new Saints Row game drops, I will buy them. The devs aren't responsible for publishers sins
Wow... I'm really disappointed in these poll results... I didn't buy Capcom games for almost 5 years when they cancelled one game I was looking forward to, and so many others can't manage to avoid buying games from a company that is promoting right wing ideology and pedophilia...
I never said that you condone it, nor did I mean to imply that you did.
What I'm trying to get at is that you probably wouldn't be comfortable with condoning the action because, regardless of their intentions, them making the post is normalizing that environment. They are condoning it in practice whether they intended to or not. Just like people can look at an issue like this and insist that they don't condone it, then pretend it never happened anyway.
Let's be honest, considering how limp-willed and paralyzed consumers under capitalism are unless they get spoon-fed expensive and curated PR daily... this poll being anywhere near the current result is somewhat encouraging.
I was gonna say. People getting super depressed at these results should think about what they'd be on literally any other gaming website.
Actually, that'd probably make you more depressed.
I wonder how much the results would differ if it were a publisher people generally cared about more than THQ.
If this poll were even slightly accurate to the gaming market then THQ would be finished. You can't lose 40% of your audience when your games aren't a big deal in the first place.
They have done something really really stupid but that's it.
I find more offending that Sony has cut 4 games from the Plus that a shitty Q&A on a shitty site.
As a consumer I'm going to buy what I think it deserve my money.
I mean, they have done a really dope physical edition of Sunset Overdrive on PC, I'm not going to give up to a something like that in the future.
I find more offending that Sony has cut 4 games from the Plus that a shitty Q&A on a shitty site.
As a consumer I'm going to buy what I think it deserve my money.
I mean, they have done a really dope physical edition of Sunset Overdrive on PC, I'm not going to give up to a something like that in the future.
I think this is a terrible poll question to draw any substantive conclusions from, and I would suggest you'd need a series of questions to properly grasp the after effects.
That being said, there's a lot of pro-consumption mentality in the gaming community, so I'm not shocked by the poll results being where they are. In general, people tend to stand up for ideas and issues, but when it comes to actually impacting their bottom line (not consuming a product they want to consume), they tend to cave. The best example of this is probably the MW2 Boycott.
That being said, there's a lot of pro-consumption mentality in the gaming community, so I'm not shocked by the poll results being where they are. In general, people tend to stand up for ideas and issues, but when it comes to actually impacting their bottom line (not consuming a product they want to consume), they tend to cave. The best example of this is probably the MW2 Boycott.
Even though Warhorse is headed by Daniel Vavra, a notoriously vocal Gamergate supporter, and lead of KCD?
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And yet yall wonder why Evil stills wins
A very large portion of the population will not give a shit because it doesn't affect them. We are small minded animals.
I never bought their games so it's an easy boycott, I like to think I'd boycott even if it wasn't easy though.
When I was 7 years old, I was kidnapped and forced into child prostitution for a couple of months. During that time, a majority of the things that happened to me were recorded and store on tapes, said tapes have since been uploaded online and are currently swimming around the dark web. 8chan is a website known to link child pornography in their site, a site where I'm sure a few people in it likely have access to those videos of me being raped as a kid and have watched it many times.
How do you think I feel about THQ Nordic? To see them bluntly advertise this site and leaving a link to said site for over 15 hours, to known that there is a chance, even a small one, that more people now have access to those videos, that more people are watching them right now, how do you think I feel about this?
I'm never giving them business again, ever.
How do you think I feel about THQ Nordic? To see them bluntly advertise this site and leaving a link to said site for over 15 hours, to known that there is a chance, even a small one, that more people now have access to those videos, that more people are watching them right now, how do you think I feel about this?
I'm never giving them business again, ever.
Why would the poll contain options for things that are a) entirely hypothetical speculation, b) not up to the polled person's discretion, and c) highly unlikely (frankly, I think believing that anyone in THQ is getting fired, considering how journalists are handling the matter, is beyond naive)?
The poll is about what you will do in the current situation, as it stands now; not what THQ may or may not do. Assumption that current conditions will hold for the foreseeable future is, I would think, a given; especially considering that all signs point in precisely that direction.
If I only consumed produce from ethical sources then I'd have to live a completely different life. What THQ Nordic did was bad but what the companies who manufactured the consoles their games play on or made the clothes on my back or the food that I eat did is far worse. Everyone knows of Nestle but the truth is they just don't hide it as much.
They essentially linked to child porn...
IIRC that MW2 boycott image was more or less debunked as being incredibly cherry picked? Most of the people in that group did, indeed, not purchase the game.
By the way I don't even think a boycott is the most impactful thing consumers could be doing. "Vote with your wallet" is actually a pretty bullshit concept. It's about PR and controlling narratives. Which is why it's so important that games media steps the fuck up and holds these companies accountable. Them boycotting future THQ product coverage would have a much greater impact than consumers boycotting purchases, but I don't see many people talking about that around.
Great idea! Everything is fucked so when people are trying to organize to solve this one fucked issue, let's remind them to lie down and give up instantly because all resistance is futile. Hooray!!! Bow down to your corporate overlords, everyone. Give me a break.
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I'm not disagreeing with that statement. I'm merely saying that I doubt that was the intention to promote that kind of content.
I think this is why the poll is not the best barometer anyway: a lot of people, including myself, don't buy THQ Nordic games - hence, what I think really won't have an impact on them. Of the ~40% of people who would support a boycott, I'd be surprised if more than 25% of them (so ~10% in all) actively buy their games anyway. This isn't to say their games are bad: but they aren't very mainstream. If - say - EA pulled a stunt like this, then the figures might be more valid, as it were - because more people are likely to buy EA games (assuming they're not being EA) than THQ Nordic games.
What other gaming forum is even talking about this? Its a fringe topic.
Gaming is a rotten medium. This really discourages me from ever trying to achieve something there as an artist.
Given that people seem to be using the results of this poll to make sweeping generalisations about the community, perhaps we should consider restarting this poll with a series of questions to more accurately gauge the impact of this... well, whatever you want to call it. "Stunt" doesn't feel like the right words.
To the people who keep saying "boycotts hurt devs", do you care that your support of pedophiles hurts children?
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And yet yall wonder why Evil stills wins
I guess it says a lot of my expectations regarding people that I'm actually pleasantly surprised at the results. I assumed the vast majority would vote "I will buy" just to show how mature they are for separating art from artist, being supportive of developers, or whatever other bullshit they tell themselves.
It's funny that people that simply say "I will buy their games because I don't give a fuck about anything but my own entertainment" are, in comparison, kind of admirable to me at this point. At least they're not fooling anyone, especially not themselves.
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