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Three Reasons Biden Flipped the Midwest

Trump gave away his gains with key groups from four years ago and Biden reclaimed lost Democratic ground.
Worth nothing that this was his stated strategy all along. Plan A always ran through the Midwest.

Joe Biden has not yet been declared the winner in his campaign against President Donald Trump. Although the former vice president is, as of Wednesday night, on the brink of victory in the Electoral College, with several states poised to finalize a count that would put him over the top, the race remains officially uncalled.

But while it's too early to name a winner, it's certainly not too early to examine some key results in the places that denied Democrats the presidency four years ago—and that now stand ready to make Biden the 46th president of the United States.

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In studying the election results from these states, I'm fascinated by some of the similarities to the 2016 election. But I'm all the more struck by key divergences between the two campaigns, and how movement at the margins with certain voting groups will be the difference between a second term for Trump and a new Biden administration.
1) Biden kept Trump from running up the score with working-class whites

No single location has received more political attention this year than Scranton, Pennsylvania. It's Biden's birthplace, a city that's integral to his brand as a scrappy, middle-class, train-riding everyman. It's also an ancestral Democratic stronghold: Scranton, and surrounding Lackawanna County, is the embodiment of the old school, labor-anchored Democratic coalition. This is why both Trump and Biden made regular stops in the area, lavishing attention on voters there and saturating the local media market with ads and earned media.

In every campaign spanning Reagan's reelection in 1984 and Barack Obama's reelection in 2012, Democrats carried Lackawanna County by comfortable (and sometimes huge) spreads. And then Trump came along. He didn't win the county, but he closed the gap, from a 27-point Democratic victory in 2012 to just a 3-point victory in 2016. That neck-snapping swing of 24 points caught the attention of every pol in Pennsylvania.

Trump entered his reelection bid with every confidence that he would perform even better in Lackawanna County this year. His team envisioned adding another 5 points or so to his 2016 showing, officially flipping the county and eating further into the Democratic Party's dwindling base of white working-class supporters.

But the opposite happened. Biden won Lackawanna County by 8 points. Instead of gaining 5 points on his 2016 performance, the president lost 5 points.

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Another symbolically important location, the blue-collar suburbs of Detroit figured to test the president's theory of how he could grow his vote in 2020. Fully expecting losses among college-educated voters in upscale areas, Trump's team was determined to drive up bigger margins in the middle-class communities like those in Macomb County.

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Instead—once again—the opposite happened.

Trump won Macomb County by 8 points, losing 4 points off his 2016 total. This was arguably the most surprising result in Michigan, and it was highly symbolic to boot: The president's failure to match or exceed his 2016 performance, in a county tailor-made to his politics, was part of a broader letdown in his efforts to juice white working-class votes across the board.
2) Biden peeled away Trump's support in conservative suburbs

The suburbs outside of Milwaukee constitute the most conservative metropolitan area in the country. Each of the three counties that surround the city—Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington, the "WOW" counties—have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1968, and by double-digit margins. These counties are each wealthy, exceptionally well-educated and north of 90 percent white.

In 2016, the president carried the WOW counties by yawning margins. Washington was decided by 40 points, Waukesha by 27 and Ozaukee by 19 points. (The Ozaukee result was particularly interesting: It was the tightest race in generations, and yet, no Democrat had broken 40 percent of the vote there in a half-century.)

Four years later, Biden closed the gap in all three. Trump won Washington by 38 points, Waukesha by 21 points and Ozaukee by 12 points. Biden's vote share in Ozaukee? You guessed it: 43 percent.

In a vacuum, those totals might not seem noteworthy. But taken together—as a picture of suburban Milwaukee and as a wider snapshot of wealthy white suburbs across the Midwest—they are the difference between a President Trump and a President Biden.

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Margins matter in tight races. The story of 2020, in the Midwest and elsewhere, was Biden whittling down the president's margins in the conservative suburbs where Trump's team thought he might be safe.
3) Biden got Black voters to turn out in big numbers

Some things in politics are pretty straightforward. This is one of those things: Clinton lost to Trump because she did not mobilize Black voters.

This was true across the battleground map. But it was especially conspicuous in the three determinative Midwestern states, not only because of their photo-finish results but because of the sizable Black populations in the biggest cities of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Let's start with Milwaukee and surrounding Milwaukee County, home to the biggest share of Black voters in Wisconsin. In 2012, Barack Obama won roughly 328,000 votes in Milwaukee County. Four years later, Clinton won fewer than 289,000 votes in Milwaukee County. The challenge for Biden wasn't necessarily to get all the way back to that Obama 2012 number; rather, at the bare minimum, it was to split the difference between these figures. He did that and then some: With all the votes counted, more than 317,000 people in Milwaukee County voted for the Democratic ticket, and Biden needed every single one of them.

It was a similar story in Detroit, a city that's more than 80 percent Black, and surrounding Wayne County. In 2012, Obama won nearly 596,000 votes in Wayne County. Four years later, Clinton won fewer than 520,000. Once again, the question in Michigan—as in Wisconsin—was whether Biden could push that figure somewhere close to that Obama 2012 number, even if it was unrealistic to get all the way there. In fact, Biden might just get all the way there. As of this writing, roughly 15 percent of Wayne County's ballots are still outstanding. But Biden has already won 568,000 votes there, far surpassing Clinton's performance from 2016.

Finally, we have Philadelphia, a city with a plurality of Black voters, and surrounding Philadelphia County. The case against Clinton was less cut-and-dried there. In 2012, Obama won some 557,000 votes in Philadelphia County, and Clinton actually passed that mark in 2016, winning 584,000 votes there. That said, a closer examination of precinct-level data revealed that Clinton's strong turnout came in whiter and wealthier precincts of the county, rather than its working-class and less affluent neighborhoods. Biden's team knew that he would need both in order to best Trump in 2020. While there's still a ways to go in the counting, it appears Biden will blow past both the Obama 2012 and Clinton 2016 numbers in Philadelphia County: He has already banked 458,000 votes, and with hundreds of thousands of votes from the area still outstanding, he figures to get well into the 600,000-vote range.

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To win the presidency, Biden never needed Obama-era levels of turnout and support from Black voters. He just needed significant improvement on the performance of Clinton in 2016.

He has gotten exactly that—and with it, more than likely, a four-year term as president.
 
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Wait, why is this called the midwest? It's literally the mideast right next to the east cost.
 

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Wait, why is this called the midwest? It's literally the mideast right next to the east cost.

" Because the Great Lakes states were originally the Northwest Territory, since the United States didn't own anything past that. After the Louisiana Purchase, it didn't make any sense to refer to them as the Northwest, so they became the Middle West. "
 

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I'll be honest, Detroit saving the world was not on my 2020 bingo card
 

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Wait, why is this called the midwest? It's literally the mideast right next to the east cost.
I know people who live in Georgia who will deny to the moon and back that Georgia is not a southern state. You show them a map and point out how it is south, "That's only east, not south because Florida is below us". According to them this is what they are taught in school there.
 

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I mean this is the very reason why Biden was pushed through the primaries:

Appeal to Black voters through his ties to Obama

Appeal to Working class whites through his origin and background

Seems it worked; though just barely. It just goes to prove that people who claim that Bernie could have won are delusional, as sad as that sober reality is.

The one thing people seem to have overestimated is people voting specifically against Trump and not just for Biden, that seems to have had barely any impact.
 

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The black vote got Joe the nomination and they got Joe the presidency. We owe the black community a huge thank you.
 

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I mean this is the very reason why Biden was pushed through the primaries:

Appeal to Black voters through his ties to Obama

Appeal to Working class whites through his origin and background

Seems it worked; though just barely. It just goes to prove that people who claim that Bernie could have won are delusional, as sad as that sober reality is.

The one thing people seem to have overestimated is people voting specifically against Trump and not just for Biden, that seems to have had barely any impact.

The most immediate takeaway from the election results is that by any metric Trump overperformed like all hell. People assumed that with everything that happened in this year alone that Republicans outside of his base would either flip to Biden, flip to third-party/write-in, or stay home. That didn't happen, instead a large number of supposedly "Never-Trump" Republicans stayed in line while his base whipped all of them into a frenzy in a desperate plea to defy the odds.

This is one of the biggest failings of the polls IMO: they assume that Republican voters are simply rational good-faith-acting Americans. If there's any proof that Republicans down to the citizenry have become a cult defined by a wannabe fascist it's these results, itself the end of days of Trumpers running riot in mass displays of organized chaos.
 

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It's not a very good number considering how badly COVID is ravaging Wisconsin right now.

The very sobering thought is that if COVID hadn't happened, or wasn't as bad, Trump would have easily won.
Yeah I agree.

Which is depressing but we need to be realistic about what America is if you want to reform it. This is not a progressive or intelligent country at the moment.
 

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#3 really should be #1...but not just for the midest...for the whole damn country. How many times must we save this republic from itself?
 

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Outside of the obama years Wisconsin has been close as fuck recently
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Wisconsin Presidential Election Voting History - 270toWin

Information on how the residents of Wisconsin have voted in presidential elections. Includes trends and polls for the 2024 election, as well as a Wisconsin voting history and narrative.
The elections in general have been super close for the past 20 years.

Both sides want to make these narratives that the country is turning red or blue every 4-8 years, but outside of 2008 its almost always pretty close.
 

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My worry is that Biden was able to do this, not the Dems. Can it be repeated?
It will be hard to do, but so will it be for the Republicans to replace Trump. However the big problem for Dems is that Trump is a new kind of politician and his "success" through 2 election periods shows that it isn't a fluke and that his approach can work. So it can be expected for Republicans to come out with more brazen and charming candidates as opposed to the past. (Though Reagen was most similar to Trump, he still wasn't this brazen)

The problem with Dems is that they have won on the coattails of their biggest success - Obama, and it is questionable what their performance will be with a candidate that doesn't have that connection.

The biggest concern for this election is that the old saying " better dead than red", seems to extend as far as "better a fascist than a socialist".
 

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My worry is that Biden was able to do this, not the Dems. Can it be repeated?

The Democrats as a generic brand performed extremely poorly. Went backwards in the House, probably won't do well in Senate.

It's a big worry given the GOP's mishandling of COVID was supposed to boost them.
 

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The one thing people seem to have overestimated is people voting specifically against Trump and not just for Biden, that seems to have had barely any impact.

I disagree, the fact that Dems underperformed in Senate races seems to indicate lots of people voting for Biden while being comfortable voting for GOP Senators like Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins.
 

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So it seems like Biden and dems should really work hard to address BLM issues. It would be a win win situation.
 
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The elections in general have been super close for the past 20 years.

Both sides want to make these narratives that the country is turning red or blue every 4-8 years, but outside of 2008 its almost always pretty close.

That's not really true at all. Clinton, Reagan, Bush Sr. and Obama elections largely weren't close (Reagan's second term, especially, was one of the biggest blowouts in history).

EDIT: Ignore this, I totally misread your post
 
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That's not really true at all. Clinton, Reagan, Bush Sr. and Obama elections largely weren't close (Reagan's second term, especially, was one of the biggest blowouts in history).

Only one of those was in the last 20 years, and Biden's win is likely larger than Obama's reelection, when the votes are fully counted. This is probably the second largest win since the 3rs part chaos of the 90s.
 

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I disagree, the fact that Dems underperformed in Senate races seems to indicate lots of people voting for Biden while being comfortable voting for GOP Senators like Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins.

A lot senators are basically cultural institutions within their home state and regularly massively outrun the presidential vote in their states. The incumbency advantage can be huge.
 

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I disagree, the fact that Dems underperformed in Senate races seems to indicate lots of people voting for Biden while being comfortable voting for GOP Senators like Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins.

Collins maybe you can make a case for since Maine is solid blue, but Graham doesn't indicate that at all. He's in a very solid red state, it was never likely that he was going to lose his seat and Biden had pretty much zero chance to win SC
 

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I disagree, the fact that Dems underperformed in Senate races seems to indicate lots of people voting for Biden while being comfortable voting for GOP Senators like Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins.
Perhaps, but Senate races have way more local factors influencing them so it is hard to say. Also Graham is a weird example, there's no way he was losing in SC, that was always a pipe dream, if SC didn't flip for Biden there's no way it would flip the senate seat.
 

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Obama was also viewed as outsider (despite being a senator), so it's probably something worth looking for.

At this point, the president will be more appealing if he acts more like a celebrity than a politician.
 

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Doesn't Rashida Tlaib deserve some credit for actual organizing a ground game in Detroit? Looks like it paid off
 
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I disagree, the fact that Dems underperformed in Senate races seems to indicate lots of people voting for Biden while being comfortable voting for GOP Senators like Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins.
A majority of white people in South Carolina just look for the R's on the ballot, and then just vote for them they don't bother looking at anything else.
 

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You're welcome for us once again saving you all from your own racist inanity. Can't wait to be ignored, or even blamed for the increase in Republican turnout for Trump, until you need us again in another four years.
The only way black voters will be taken seriously is if there are at least two parties taking them seriously. Which would force them to fight for the votes.

However, since in American politics this basically means having Republicans taking the black vote seriously......yeah

The big takeaway from this election will be the latino vote and that is where the majority of the focus for both parties will be in the future, when it comes to minorities most likely.
 

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I also disagree with the fact that Biden "getting" those votes is a validation of him against Sanders, when getting those votes was mostly due to progressives in the area like Rashida Tlaib who did the work for him (as usual, progerssives minorities did the brunt of the job here but the credits goes to Biden), and even then it was stupidly close.

I really do not see this as an indictement of the Biden strategy, especially has he had several advantages and barely scraped by, and dems as a whole underperforming severely for the senate and the house. Trump might be out soon, but fascism is here and once dems won't be able to use their very easy target and will have an incredibly difficult ahead, I fear the "same old same old" thing from centrists democrats is gonna hand over the country to a more effective fascist leader
 

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The only way black voters will be taken seriously is if there are at least two parties taking them seriously. Which would force them to fight for the votes.

However, since in American politics this basically means having Republicans taking the black vote seriously......yeah

The big takeaway from this election will be the latino vote and that is where the majority of the focus for both parties will be in the future, when it comes to minorities most likely.
Not surprising. The Latino vote is larger and more splintered. Just tired of the performative thank yous as if they're enough. As if we haven't seen where this is going to go.

I don't want to return to normal. I want to move forward into something better.
 

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It's not a very good number considering how badly COVID is ravaging Wisconsin right now.

The very sobering thought is that if COVID hadn't happened, or wasn't as bad, Trump would have easily won.

I don't know that COVID didn't actually help Trump.

Fear of forced lockdowns is probably one of the biggest boosts to republican voter motivation there is, maybe even over taxes, immigration, and abortion at this point.

Alternatively, dems aren't necessarily desperate to have more restrictions--they just want a president that isn't actively trolling the situation.
 

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I also disagree with the fact that Biden "getting" those votes is a validation of him against Sanders, when getting those votes was mostly due to progressives in the area like Rashida Tlaib who did the work for him (as usual, progerssives minorities did the brunt of the job here but the credits goes to Biden), and even then it was stupidly close.

I really do not see this as an indictement of the Biden strategy, especially has he had several advantages and barely scraped by, and dems as a whole underperforming severely for the senate and the house. Trump might be out soon, but fascism is here and once dems won't be able to use their very easy target and will have an incredibly difficult ahead, I fear the "same old same old" thing from centrists democrats is gonna hand over the country to a more effective fascist leader
Fully agree with this post.
 

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I also disagree with the fact that Biden "getting" those votes is a validation of him against Sanders, when getting those votes was mostly due to progressives in the area like Rashida Tlaib who did the work for him (as usual, progerssives minorities did the brunt of the job here but the credits goes to Biden), and even then it was stupidly close.

I really do not see this as an indictement of the Biden strategy, especially has he had several advantages and barely scraped by, and dems as a whole underperforming severely for the senate and the house. Trump might be out soon, but fascism is here and once dems won't be able to use their very easy target and will have an incredibly difficult ahead, I fear the "same old same old" thing from centrists democrats is gonna hand over the country to a more effective fascist leader
I just don't see how Bernie would have been able to escape the doomhamer that is "socialism" hanging over his head. The amount of shit stirred by the 400k taxes was crazy considering just how low of an impact those taxes would have had on the majority of voters. That thing was on fucking tik-tok where a majority of users don't even have disposable income.

Also I wouldn't say Biden barely scraped by, he performed better than most people expected - over 70m votes, it's just that so did Trump. But this is another big problem with the Dems this is already the second time they underestimated Trump. And it should never happen, you only need to look around the world to see that the strongman tactic and charm works a lot of the time and is still popular.
 
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I also disagree with the fact that Biden "getting" those votes is a validation of him against Sanders, when getting those votes was mostly due to progressives in the area like Rashida Tlaib who did the work for him (as usual, progerssives minorities did the brunt of the job here but the credits goes to Biden), and even then it was stupidly close.
The article notes that this pattern repeats across the whole country, so you can't really put it down to local figures. And these are the exact same demographics that turned up for Biden in the primaries.
 

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I just don't see how Bernie would have been able to escape the doomhamer that is "socialism" hanging over his head. The amount of shit stirred by the 400k taxes was crazy considering just how low of an impact those taxes would have had on the majority of voters. That thing was on fucking tik-tok where a majority of users don't even have disposable income.

Also I wouldn't say Biden barely scraped by, he performed better than most people expected - over 70m votes, it's just that so did Trump. But this is another big problem with the Dems this is already the second time they underestimated Trump.
How can you say Joe Biden hasn't scrapped by? Are we looking at the same results
 

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It's not socialism that's the problem, culture war is. I'm in favor of progressive policies for the next election, but we need a good candidate, preferably anti establishment, the main enduring issue is white grievance and culture war where Republicans will compete in. That's what Trump campaigned on and he's successfully activated a previously missed bloc of people.
 

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How can you say Joe Biden hasn't scrapped by? Are we looking at the same results
Any other Dem candidate would have lost with this level of support for Trump, also depending on how GA and PA go, it might not be as close as it seems.

As I said this isn't really a problem of Biden underperforming as much as it is a problem of Trump overperforming. Out of all the other Dem candidates the only one that would have stood a chance was Bernie, but I still think that he would get crushed by the Red Scare.
 

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Any other Dem candidate would have lost with this level of support for Trump, also depending on how GA and PA go, it might not be as close as it seems.

As I said this isn't really a problem of Biden underperforming as much as it is a problem of Trump overperforming. Out of all the other Dem candidates the only one that would have stood a chance was Bernie, but I still think that he would get crushed by the Red Scare.
Any candidate running Joe's campaign and electoral strategy perhaps. I also don't buy the red scare shit. Republicans ran the same playbook against Joe Biden anyway and he's far from a socialist. This should cement to you that Republicans are going to run the same opp against any democrat no matter what. Sorry I just don't buy it and you're not very convincing here