Wouldn't count on it. It's pretty clear she has every intention of dying in office just like RBG.
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Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
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Wouldn't count on it. It's pretty clear she has every intention of dying in office just like RBG.
Oh, she understands it just fine. You just don't realize where her priorities lie.
Biden and his agenda has been castrated because he has no meaningful majority in the Senate. He cannot assert the will of anything because his "majority" is limp. I agree that he is weak and Pelosi and most of the others in the old guard are inefficient, just trash.
But Trump is not beating anyone anymore. He is the one that made the current issue possible and Republicans just galvanized the Democratic base into the polls. Independents and the ever perennial swing voters are not gonna go for a ban on abortions either.
Unbelievable how the Republican just shot themselves in the foot, with rampant inflation, gas prices, they had a sure thing in the midterms and now they pissed it away. They are not winning any more seats than they currently hold at least.
This is more like how Democrats should be talking. I don't know what the fuck Pelosi is thinking.
Same. If the GOP regains power, they'll have no more need for the filibuster because they won't ever willingly cede power to Democrats or anyone ever again.
Then you have absolutely misunderstood what I was saying, so I will repeat myself:
There have always been anti-choice Democratic members of Congress. With Cuellar as the only one left, there are actually fewer anti-choice Democrats in Congress than ever before.
You can not want them to have any, and I totally agree, but the poster I was responding to presented Cuellar's situation as something new, when it absolutely is not. It's normal.
I agree that this is how the filibuster dies. Horrific and will make absolute fools out of Senate Dems.
Kind of amazing people still say stuff like this in 2022
Like the moral majority, or Reagan, or the Tea Party, or Trump, or a million other things didn't clue you in this strategy doesn't work?
I don't think she understands the present political situation that well
If that is her goal it's very strange because she's telling moderates to vote to rescue the "reasonable" Republicans!
The Democratic leadership did this in 2020 and it led to a lot of split tickets!
They can't. They don't have a real majority. Two of them are full-on DINOs.
It was my post and I was pointing out that the Dem establishment is still backing people that oppose their agenda OVER people in the same race that are pro choice. Saying "Them's the breaks, but it used to be worse" is a pretty damning statement of the party.
Again, you implied that was new or unusual, or represents a shift away from being an opposition party. It's not. Incumbents basically always get the institutional support, even when they, say, oppose one of the party's principles. Cuellar's situation has happened many, many times before.
She does actually, she'd rather have a strong GOP than a strong leftist party. Otherwise she and her husband couldn't make bank from the stock market and fundraise off her feigned outrage for conservative policy.
People that think Pelosi is clueless or act like the Democratic Party is being outwitted or are out of touch are fooling themselves. They don't want change, they want to preserve the status quo and are frustrated that the GOP is fucking up their cushy social position by sliding towards fascism.
No, I did not lol. Supporting people that don't support their own agenda over progressive candidates is exactly why this party is unsalvageable. I mentioned it because of the hypocrisy of Pelosi fundraising to protect women's rights, but then backing people that oppose them.
personally, I love it that all the shit happen in the last few years is just exposing that these just don't give a shit about us plebs. You think they are going after the insurrectionits because they where a legit threat to democracy? Nope! These fuckers are going after them Because the "plebs" actually got very close to getting to them! Rules for thee, but not for me. Because fuck the supremr court on the verge of issuing a decision that could lead to all kinds of bad shit! Thier safety is just way more important because they are the same brand of elite as us! Fucking asssholes.
I mean, when the little pawns get punished and the bigger pieces get off scott free, I can't really disagree
just how America has always been
Ok.
Your use of "anymore" here implies some sort of change:
The Cuellar situation is not a new one, so nothing has changed.
But if that's not what you mean, ok. Confusion resolved.
And always will be until the powder Keg explodes.
Even then. Genocide of the indigenous, chattel slavery... it's the little folks who die in these things and the ones responsible who get to rebuild. Wave that red, white and blue cuz we're here forever
Rich people not wanting to be inconvenienced by the problems facing the peasants.
I keep seeing this shit from well meaning Americans online. Mate, you don't need to bring up Muslim fascists when talking about your own Christian dominionist fascists, very American exceptionalist
At least the leak and the eventuality of its federalisation gives some time to new sufragettes to get organised.
Jesus fucking christ. Do some of you in here at least understand where our frustration is coming from??
Exactly.
Yeah well I want the filibuster nuked. It is nice to want things...
They still do not get it. You are not going to shame these people.
Also duck right off, this country does not need a strong Republican party.
You know what every single Republican wishes right at this moment? That there was no Democratic party at all.
It is shitty leadership from Nancy. I get that she would love to go back to the old days but that puts her really out of touch with where we are right now. It is apparent to me that many in the party likely feel the same way, which is an approach that just isn't going to get anything done. The republicans of yesteryear worked hard to dismantle rights and fought tooth and nail against them anyway. Biden feels the same way, lamenting that they could not even 'lunch' together. The leadership sucks, we are in a huge fucking hole and there is no clawing our way out of it anytime soon.
Yep. It is pretty clear our leadership is still in the "I am disappointed with them" stage, when they should be frakin infuriated to the point of anger at this point. Instead we get fresh takes about the good ol racist party of yesteryear
Republicans are constantly saying the Democrats have gone too far left and yet I've never heard a single one of them ever say they want a "strong Democratic party" back.
It's more than that tho. They've lost so much because republicans packed the courts, all while marketing things against ppls self interests expertly to get those judges placed/local officials elected
Yes because this is pure idiocy. Extremely out of touch on this point and has been for a while because she thinks this is a winning message. No one cares about this shit, nan.
I don't even think she believes this is a winning message anymore. At least not subconsciously. This feels like a self-assuring mantra from an affluent white woman attached to the beltway who knows that ultimately it won't be her in-group that suffers from all of this.
I've been to two protest marches in the last week and the anti Democratic Party sentiment is huge amongst the reproductive rights advocates and other activists that spoke.
If the Democratic Party thinks they can win by skating by on outrage over this decision they are in for a rude awakening.
If the Democratic Party thinks they can win by skating by on outrage over this decision they are in for a rude awakening.
No political party anywhere else in the world talks like the Democrats do about their enemies.
They don't fetishise their own opponents strength with this fervour. They don't wish their opponents would get their shit together. They just stick in the knife in.
Maybe it's just a result of the American political system being uniquely dominated by exhausted septuagenarians and octogenarians.
They just get swept up in their own nostalgia, not realising that if the thing they were pining for is that good, it wouldn't have lead to be present disasters in the first place.
Ok, what other options do the voters have then? Sure, the Democrats are terrible, they've allowed themselves to be outmaneuvered, maybe they don't believe in what they say all that much, maybe they haven't realized they're up against the Taliban, maybe thy have little skin in the game, whatever.
So, you don't vote Democrat. How's that going to work out? Because the Republican party is very much trying to make it harder and harder to vote Democrat, I assume they know what they're doing.
One I went to this past Sat. had a bunch of communist and socialist pamphlets
John Oliver made the same points and he's right unfortunately. Vote for Dems even though most of them suck and then do whatever is in your power to resist the authoritarian hellscape that our ruling class has instituted.
The system at this point is so broken and rigged against non-republicans that I fail to see how this can be solved through electoral means.
We were promised in previous administrations that Roe would be codified in law and... It wasn't. An assumption was made that it was safe not to codify and now women and AFABs are paying the price for it. I really don't know what to tell you.
What choice do they have? Are they thinking that more Republicans can fix this mess? More Republican appointed Supreme Court justices?
Democrats have bought the real Americans spiel from the Republicans, real Americans are the conservative types, the votes Republican now types. Democrats want to go back to the time when those types were rational, change things up in the US a bit, but never so much the US stops being the US, whatever that means.
And I get it, I've spent some time in the US on vacation, met all sorts of people, bright, kind, generous, dumb, selfish, but if you had to ask me which ones are the real Americans, with all the conditioning, some of them would be classified as real Americans and others as exceptions. And they're all Americans.
Of course she would say that. The alternative is working together with the left wing of the party and focus on social legislation, which goes against her corporate interests.
Sometimes I think that there are older democrats in the house and Senate that can't differentiate their relationships with older Republicans from the legislation that they pass. They all live in a bubble together and I'm sure commiserate together and so they feel the need to defend them as victims of a "cult" vs seeing that that is what they really are.
Biden can't stop opining about his former relationships with segregationists
yes it's bizarre. I can't imagine Mitch McConnell saying that about Democrats; he would be crucified by other republicans.
Really, the only positive thing you should be wishing for your electoral opponents is that they will respect the legal electoral process and continue to have buy-in, democratically. Beyond that, your goal should be to defeat them as thoroughly as possible in order to get your own policies in place.