because religion is a cancer and at this point its also just about owning the libs
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Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
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Apathy benefits the party whose job it is to actively get in the way of functioning democracy, plain and simple.
Yes. The key thing to remember is that even relatively hardcore religious groups like the Southern Baptists until the 70s specifically said it's not up to the government to choose what people do with themselves bc it could lead to undue influence of the state on religion.
This is a recent tactic, formulated specifically to grab onto sentiment and not based in religious text
They need to keep their base outraged or they lose voters. The key to their success is keeping people afraid and angry of others.
I'm sure they'll come up with something that'll latch on quickly.
They have. It's why they are talking far more about the leak. It's to direct their base to be outraged that Liberal Justices would do this. Despite it, likely, being a Conservative who did.
Maybe we should try for more of that. It does seem to be effective at stalking apathy
Fox News is nothing like that!They're not ignorant. They know they're lying. They know their base eats it up.
(their reporters would never leave the comfort of their studio)
Apathy benefits the party that doesn't want to change anything, and believes the status quo is perfectly fine.
Oh I agree, I was just thinking more long term. I don't think this "outrage" lasts longer than June once the final verdict comes out. They'll have to galvanize the base with something before the fall, and it will likely be just as evil and just as effective since GOP voters buy whatever is sold to them.
They have CRT and transphobia already. They'll likely go after gay marriage at SCOTUS soon.
"Keep voting for us. If Dems come back in power they'll start killing babies again."
This is centrist pablum that you've swallowed whole. Plenty of people, myself included, are in fact pro-abortion. Abortion is a good thing, the retreat into the weasel language of "choice" just in hopes that some Diet Bigots might feel more comfortable in the movement is a large part of how we've got a Democratic Party that's spent 50 years doing lip service but completely failing to actually protect abortion rights.
There’s a straight line from US racial segregation to the anti-abortion movement | Randall Balmer
Leaders of the religious right would have us believe that Roe v Wade mobilized apolitical Christians. The real story is very different
www.theguardian.com
it says "pro- abortion rights", not "pro- abortion".
"Pro right to abortion" is different from "pro abortion".
Ah yes, "don't bully the majority court" that is bullying the majority population.
This was decided basically 50 years ago, a generation that accepts and understands it's importance by majority.
This was decided basically 50 years ago, a generation that accepts and understands it's importance by majority.
One of the main reasons is Conservative men want to control women, their bodies, and their rights. Religion is the excuse, but in their heart of hearts a lot of these dudes couldn't give less of a fuck about Jesus or whatever. The Bible also doesn't say shit about abortions. It's why most anti-choice legislation is drafted entirely by groups of men without any involvement from women at all.
You say tomato, he says "To… Matt O? That guy is not a cool guy."
Sure would be nice if justices stepped down before dying and having their life's fucking working undone in a years time
It's the same thing they use for guns, but is it really going to be as effective? I feel like people are way less motivated about what could happen compared to what has happened. More importantly I hope this motivates liberals who would stay home otherwise to vote since they're the ones with motivation issues.
I don't like having to resort to using fear to motivate people the way the right does it, but I wish more people were talking about how this will essentially pave the way for the government/state to dictate what can be done with anyone's bodies, INCLUDING MEN.
The majority of men that are potentially out there cheering this on are completely unaware of the ramifications to bodily autonomy for everyone. This is not just about women and abortions specifically. I'd like to think that this could motivate centrists but I mean what does?
The majority of men that are potentially out there cheering this on are completely unaware of the ramifications to bodily autonomy for everyone. This is not just about women and abortions specifically. I'd like to think that this could motivate centrists but I mean what does?
Seeing that stupid post keep getting quoted is getting me heated, so I think I'm just gonna boil my thoughts down to two points.
1. This, among other travesties, occurred with democrats in power. Women, people of color, and queer people have every right to be angry with democrats for continuing to fail them.
2. Voting is necessary, but voting by itself isn't enough.
1. This, among other travesties, occurred with democrats in power. Women, people of color, and queer people have every right to be angry with democrats for continuing to fail them.
2. Voting is necessary, but voting by itself isn't enough.
If the leak wasn't from the gop, it's a big gift at least. It gets the 4 week attention span away from midterms. And as someone else said when the ruling is actually announced, it'll increase Dem apathy on 'why nothing was done if they're in power' which is the political-intelligence of a huge chunk of the electorate.
This is a judicial decision, not a legislative or executive one, and Democrats definitely don't have any power over the SCotUS.
Also, this mess has a number of causes, but the biggest one (conservative super majority on the SCotUS) would have 100% been avoided through voting in 2016.
They do have power over SCOTUS but two of them, explicitly, won't let them exercise that power.
Or RBG not being hubristic and retiring under Obama when she had the chance.
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The SCOTUS was delegitimized back in 2000 when they gave the presidency to Bush. It is a joke to think they ever held any legitimacy.
No? Unless you're talking about court packing which isn't a real solution. Not only would the Court just get packed each time the PotUS change parties, it would immediately delegitimize the SCotUS (meaning states like Mississippi wouldn't have to follow Roe anyway).
Could more have been done? Was this ruling foreseeable/measures possible to put in place?
Four of them appointed against the will of the popular vote, too.
They can Court pack, they can change how SCOTUS functions in general, etc. The Constitution only specifies that it must exist. Congress decides how it works.
It's already being delegitimized from this leak. It already means it's hostile and unstable.
Months? Don't you have primaries now? Feels like primaries in months would be cutting it close.
yep okay that's enough era for the day before I say something I don't want to
Fuck you, Matt Gaetz. That's absolutely horrendous. "Give up rights over your body or you will end up alone and unloved."
Can you explain to me how the court is legitimate now? Three hyper partisan judges were just placed by a president and senate that do not represent the majority of voters, and they did it by ignoring established norms.
Can you also explain to me how "the parties placing more judges each time they get elected" is worse than the status quo now of not getting anything done until a couple of people die and a party gets lucky enough that it happened while they held the senate? We will likely never see a 60 seat senate again and if we do, it will be a Conservative one. You cool with that?
Also I would like to know how court packing is illegitimate when the process is allowed by the law as we understand it.
How the fuck hasn't he been fucking banned yet, paedophilic piece of shit.
This is a wacky post for a number of reasons but... abortion has a higher approval rating than probably anyone in government. Painting 50 years of support as a fringe belief from a demographic that hasn't existed but maybe half a decade or so is some distilled buffoonery for sure.