But would the deck really be more favorable for them in the open field? With republicans flinging shut at them as real opponents? Idk
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Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
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Retcon conspiracy nonsense. Biden led by double digits throughout 2019 and people that understood how primaries work were beating the "Biden's early schedule really sucks" drum for months. You don't need a conspiracy to explain why a woman drops out before coming in 6th on Super Tuesday and losing her home state as a nice memorable mark of shame.
Man, trying to block a candidate more in line with my interests is really energizing me to vote.
To be a bit clearer, even Casey (the other decision this opinion would impact) is bullshit. Determining what was an "undue burden" is a fine line. Is setting a term limit an undue burden (even though 3rd trimester abortions are already illegal unless the life of the mother is at state)? Are enacting a law that says an abortion clinic within X number of meters within a school cannot operate an undue burden? Is requiring the pregnant person to have an ultrasound before the operation or have a waiting period an undue burden? Et Cetera.
Alito's opinion is, while stripping away abortion, also a statement on privacy, individual medical decisions as a whole, and bodily autonomy. While I would, obviously, like this decision to not come to pass, I'm not hopeful.
But we needed someone who could reach across the aisle!
Biden has a 42% approval rating. What are we clinging on to? He hasn't moved anything on a national scale. At least Warren would have give inspirational speeches and used Executive Orders for good. Biden is a complete and total dud, at best.
Clyburn, Cellar, Pelosi, all these institutional democrats need to retire.
Honestly I don't know what the solution is. Congressmen get to just do whatever they want, immune to the damage they're doing to the people around them. These votes never really seem to give them the kind of existential dread they give the common population.
I really don't think this battle is winnable with decorum any longer, when half of Congress can't even agree on a baseline standard of governance and the other half just wants to kill governance entirely and watch everyone else suffer from a safe distance, immune to any of the pain they're causing.
It really feels like the only way to actually fix things is to make their lives as miserable as they want to make everyone else's.
Warren isn't the only one who gets it.
Sanders isn't the only one who gets it.
Black Democrats have been screaming about these very issues for decades.
I'm not just saying this because I'm Black. I'm saying this because it's relevant.
Sanders isn't the only one who gets it.
Black Democrats have been screaming about these very issues for decades.
I'm not just saying this because I'm Black. I'm saying this because it's relevant.
Quick question. Does a liberal dem stand a chance in the general or will a more conservative Democrat have a better chance?
That's the political calculus, as heartless at it is.
As opposed to..? Biden was the amazing consensus builder. He said the maga fever will break after he is elected and he will be able to persuade everybody. Man can't even convince his own party to vote for his agenda.
It was never really about decorum was it? The Rs had plans. The Ds has reactions or plans that wouldn't counter the Rs general strategy
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After that bullshit "how dare they" letter from her and Schumer, here's how they really feel. Maintaining old political power, compassion-free.
They're not agents of adaptation or change. They're dry leaves.
After that bullshit "how dare they" letter from her and Schumer, here's how they really feel. Maintaining old political power, compassion-free.
They're not agents of adaptation or change. They're dry leaves.
How many progressives and pro choice votes will be lost? Supporting this candidate will ripple across elections. It's bad politics.
Democrats appeal to polite discourse, republicans respond with fists.
Yup, what's the point of bringing this up? Do they actually think Pelosi is against abortion or is it more likely she wants to try to hold the house majority?
My point is that as long as Congress gets to be immune to any of the pain they cause the general populace with the kinds of votes, they don't have to care who they hurt. If abortion gets banned federally, a Republican senator who gets his aide pregnant in a secret affair will still be able to get her an abortion behind closed doors and won't be prosecuted for doing so even if it leaks. And we wind up paying for it with taxpayer money too, because our federal taxes fund the Congressional health plan.
Realistically, until Congress starts to feel the same pain they inflict on the general populace on a daily basis, they will always be able to sleep at night after voting away our rights. They need to suffer just like we do.
Depressingly true. I will never, ever, ever, ever forgive anyone who sat that one out, voted for Trump or voted third party. Fucking scum.
There? After the FBI raided Cuellar? It would be a safer bet to back Cisneros.
Perhaps, but what I meant was that Dems could be as indecorous as the Rs, but if they still did not have the long term goal orientation to combat the Rs that also would not have mattered
I disagree. The most important vote any elected makes is their vote for speaker of the house or majority leader of the senate. In some sense, it's the only vote that many of them will make their entire career that matters. Leadership sets the agenda, sets committee assignments, and everything else. The vote for Speaker is all that matters because the rest of the agenda is simply pro forma off that single most important vote.
How dare people bring up that Pelosi is circling the wagons on an anti abortion candidate the day that Roe v Wade is revealed to likely be overturned? Don't they understand political calculus or something?
damn. that legit made me tear up. can't fake the funk on that. yeah, respect to lizforma because that's the minimum amount of energy this shit deserves.
the progressive wont win, an anti choice dem is better than a republican, its not really hard to understand.
That area of Texas is rapidly gravitating towards the GOP. Big anti-abortion religion fueled streak in conservative Hispanic areas like that.
He also votes with House Dems anywhere from 88%-97% of the time. He's annoying on some of his conservative stances but not every House district is built for a progressive Dem.
I mean, it's worth a shot, but I don't know how long something like that can go on for before they draw up harsher anti protest laws or something
Absolutely, and I wish I could vote for every Black democrat out there because I would. White America has failed America and will continue to do so as long as we are unable to confront the sins of the father.
This sentiment is evergreen:
Texas (Laredo, not Houston) is neither progressive nor pro-choice. On abortion they poll more right of the average red state.
System ain't set up for progressives to govern like conservatives do. Deep down at this country's heart is slavery and genocide and rape. It's always beating hard, transporting blood through the body no matter how you pretty it up.
This candidate has literally been raided by the FBI idk how anyone views him as a safe bet.
And yet she still lost the primary. Are you suggesting that approval ratings matter more than actual electoral results?
But they're white so people will actually listen. When we scream these things we're just being dramatic and pulling cards and other stuff they say. A tale as old as the country itself.
Yeah Liz's level of outrage is what we should be expecting out of everyone at a bare minimum, but minority politicians and activists in local, state and federal levels have been just as pissed about this for decades they're just not allowed to show it or they're never taken seriously when they do
It took awhile for the Republicans to become full-blown fascists, but they got there by moving slowly to the right and by having a (mostly) united voice and direction. Democrats have to adopt a similar policy. Keep moving to the left and espouse the brilliance of a more progressive society. A centrist will never get anything done so getting them elected is a short-term bandaid instead of a real solution.
Repeatedly seeing the theory around twitter that this was leaked by someone connected to Alito and it does actually make sense. You release some early draft that will have the left on fire for a few months saying that the decision is ultra-radical (which it is) and at the last moment when the actual opinion is released in June/July it is "only" the watered down 15 week ban. Then the Fox News crowd get to go back to their "see, the libs were hysterical again, this isn't an extreme decision" shtick.
They know how horrendous is would look to have the conservative Chief Justice joining the liberals in dissent. So by going instead to the 15 week ban they can get him onboard for the better optics.
They know how horrendous is would look to have the conservative Chief Justice joining the liberals in dissent. So by going instead to the 15 week ban they can get him onboard for the better optics.
Texas (Laredo, not Houston) is neither progressive nor pro-choice. On abortion they poll more right of the average red state.
Part of the district includes places in the RGV and parts of San Antonio. It's why Ciscernos almost beat Cuellar last time. With the FBI raid? She may beat him.
Even that poll shows they don't want it to be illegal.
House Leadership always backs in incumbents. Peolsi is also supporting my rep Pressley, AOC and other progressives. Its not an either or. Random twitter post rarely give you the full story.
Thing is they don't have to play these games anymore. Their voter base consists of fascists. They can do it without concern. Go out, snap up as many dream goals as possible and dare anyone to resist.
It just shows how people don't understand the SCOTUS draft was a consequence of 2014/2016, and Cuellar has nothing to do with it. If supporting an anti-abortion Dem senate candidate meant winning and holding the senate majority in 2014, Merrick Garland would've been seated instead of Gorsuch.
The absolutely massive protests in France ended up with Melenchon a distant third and Macron with his negative approval rating winning a convincing second term against Le Pen. Of course the USA isn't France, but people overstimate how much of the population is legitimately progressive.
It's a tough situation. They still need his damn vote in Congress especially with the margins being as small as they are. He's shitty and should go but no surprise that leadership is going to back their own member versus challengers. If he loses they'll back the winner equally hard.
McConnell has no interest in getting rid of the legislative filibuster. He knows its existence helps the GOP more. Hence why it was never abolished during Trump's time in office.