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Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
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Yea, it's unlikely Sinema and Manchin would support it, but I don't think dems can and should hide behind them. Force them to vote. If they oppose it, well that is that. But to sit back and do nothing because they're afraid doesn't seem very inspiring.
It likely would but this is open hostility within the Court itself. If people don't see the Court as legitimate and stable, it can have massive consequences. Despite what many of us think, the Court enjoys large favorability.
Trans people rights are already under attack, now women's reproductive rights and the right to privacy has been attacked. People have already had their rights taken away.
Every politician ever over-promises. They run based on their aspirations. And if they don't...realistic campaigning is met by hand-clapping emoji and BETTER THINGS AREN'T POSSIBLE on Twitter. What on earth is the point of litigating Obama's campaign promises in 2022.
You can just admit you were lied to and you were too vacant-minded to realize
I can feel the sheer, intense concern dripping out of that quote, damn.
Fuck the United States of America, such a shitty developing nation that can't even protect its own citizens. Fuck the Democrats for not doign their damn jobs and legislating actual legislation all these decades. And a big fat double fisted middle fingers to the Republican Party for being such worthless inhumane, sexist, fascist pieces of shit that they went through with it. There will be a special place in hell for these assholes
They already did this with the filibuster vote last year. So this would just be the equivalent of that again.
Fact sadly the makeup of the Senate doesn't favor Biden or dems at this moment reality because they don't have numbers.
Exactly.
It's not when, it's happening now. And so many people don't give a fuck.
Don't be fooled by her act -- she knew/knows and didn't/doesn't care. Susan Collins isn't a moderate, she just likes playing one on TV. I can't believe the people of Maine voted for her again.
Agree with this 100%.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of people only vote and or care about the Presidential election. No one cares about the midterms or local elections and how they affect their daily lives more so than a President can.
Republicans have this game mastered. They have their base completely in sync and they vote in droves in midterms. They know they can limit at Dem president.
And then you have the group of people who don't even bother to do the most basic reading and research and then say "what's the point, nothing ever changes..."
I mean, there will be protests, but we already saw from the George Floyd protests that these people will just hunk down and let the mass storm of peaceful protests pass. Voting is a rigged game that is getting more and more rigged as the GOP makes more moves to be able to ignore results they don't like, and even without that as a factor, voting isn't going to have a lot of impact at this point since this court is solidified unless there is at least 2 unexpected deaths during a Dem presidency when Dems hold the Senate. Really, we're at a point where the only thing that is going to impact change is an organized revolt, one that inspires legitimate fear for the safety of the people in power and their families.
But that isn't going to happen. The minute you start talking about stuff like that, people get too nervous, and most of the "allies" will pull back the reigns and/or you're just going to be laughed at for it being unrealistic. But that's the only real path to changing things once the highest court in the land starts chopping up human rights, because that's basically the period at the end of the sentence until something radical happens to force a change (like the Civil War and slavery, for instance) or a new court comes decades later.
Maine had one job and yet they reelected this piece of garbage human being. Gross.
He didn't run on Roe and generally avoided talking about abortion and gay marriage. He was asked a question during the campaign about it.
If you take away too many rights there will be violence. I don't think the protests will be peaceful this time.
So this is basically over right? Barring sone Jackson esque "let the court enforce it" we have no choice but to abide by this decision when it comes out.
So all we can really do is wait for the next time we can emplace in 3 Justices without the opposing party responding and vote for our school superintendents. There's no point in wasting air in this
So all we can really do is wait for the next time we can emplace in 3 Justices without the opposing party responding and vote for our school superintendents. There's no point in wasting air in this
Or she knew they were lying and she was okay with it.
If the leaked opinion was in favor of Roe v. Wade, would we be having the same conversation? I doubt it. Sure, Roberts would still order FBI to look into it, but Republicans would be trying to get them to change the opinion before it was actually released.
Her concern, while assuredly grave and furrowed, is 99.9% performative.
She votes consistently conservative to a Tee, except when the Rs already have the votes and 'let' her vote against it to play to her 'moderate darling' status.
European democracies have gone through several revisions but the US has this insane cult of the constitution. It's sacred, it's an extremist cult...Everything is the same since forever
I wanted to say protest and vote even when I know that, from my outsider's point out of view, little has changed after the protest following Floyd's death. I feel bad, but doing nothing would be worst... The USA is very good at putting an ananas in your butthole while looking you in the eye with a good old democracy smile on the face
It's not relitigating, it's pointing to past promises made, asking "Why didn't this happen?" and trying to understand the reasons people become disillusioned with the Democratic party
And there's a lot there. The Democratic party has promised the moon for 2 decades now and has had a good amount of political power in that time, and they don't really have much to show for it. When people wonder "Hey I did my job and voted, and we didn't get what we were told we'd get" and the people they voted for say "It wasn't my fault you didn't get that, you didn't vote hard enough" you can only play that card so many times before wonder what the hell they're voting for.
Does the system do its best to frustrate progress and limit what can be done? Yes it does, but if that gets in the way of getting people what they want then maybe our politicians should be discussing any possible way to change the underlying systems that distribute political power instead of floundering in the same culture war for generations. You can't blame people for getting upset they are lied to every election without end.
You'd be surprised how many Americans just turn into Uncle Phil in this GIF when authoritarian laws are passed that don't effect them directly.
I think you're missing the point that if Alabama were to pass a law right now you'd be depending on ACB, Alito, Kav, Thomas, and Gorsuch to determine whether the Civil Rights Act is still relevant in 2022. *National* vote counts no longer matter because Republicans can now set up localized religious fiefdoms with impunity.
The GOP is mask off, the first Texas abortion bounty law, the "Don't say Gay" bills, and book banning spree should have set off alarm bells for anyone who wasn't paying attention. They've already signaled that Obergefell v. Hodges is next on the menu, there will be at least one state that tries to wipe out gay marriage in the next 5 years, and after that, the only thing left is the CRA.
Just a reminder "states rights" are not the end game here. This filth won't stop until its illegal everywhere by passing fucked up border laws and will then move onto extinguishing LGBTQ peoples. These fucks want to revert society to the 1950s.
Incorrect. Obama promised to sign the Freedom of Choice Act as his first act as President. Then he said once elected it wasn't a priority.
You may be right, but I really doubt it's going to be something we see organized and in mass. Too many liberals and moderates are scared of the idea of a real French-style Revolution because of the level of bloodshed that would come with it, as well as the chaos that would ensue afterward. Because after the French Revolution came the French Terror, after all, and the ensuing years of a revolt would be a potentially perilous one, and a lot would ride on a lot of people who came into this new power structure having both a moral core as well as an understanding that something has to be built that is going to be more favorable to a majority of people because they are standing on a powder keg.
I just don't think a lot of people have it in them to follow through, the idea of political violence as an agent of change has become so stigmatized within the moderate and liberal mind that I just don't think they'd ever have the stomach. I mean, who knows, but most likely we'll see the same ineffective mass peaceful protests alongside some bigger scale riots that get shut down and condemned from all sides while those in power doing this continue on larger unopposed.
If he made that promise before the 2008 economic crash, then that's the reason.
If the GOP were voted out of every office everywhere we could have a constitutional convention protecting abortion.
The problem is enough people vote for the GOP that this won't happen.
So you have to out organize and beat them.
You'd be surprised how many Americans just turn into Uncle Phil in this GIF when authoritarian laws are passed that don't effect them directly.
I think you're missing the point that if Alabama were to pass a law right now you'd be depending on ACB, Alito, Kav, Thomas, and Gorsuch to determine whether the Civil Rights Act is still relevant in 2022. *National* vote counts no longer matter because Republicans can now set up localized religious fiefdoms with impunity.
The GOP is mask off, the first Texas abortion bounty law, the "Don't say Gay" bills, and book banning spree should have set off alarm bells for anyone who wasn't paying attention. They've already signaled that Obergefell v. Hodges is next on the menu, there will be at least one state that tries to wipe out gay marriage in the next 5 years, and after that, the only thing left is the CRA.
Don't forget that in two years we'll have them hearing whether states can just say who won their presidential delegates instead of actually counting votes if the next R presidential candidate doesn't win
This doesn't respond to yogurt's central point, which is that when a politician does campaign on what they could realistically do, they are near universally panned for it. "Not aspirational." "Good things AREN'T possible!!!"
This is the part where I remind y'all that Hillary Clinton actually released a book on her policy proposals and how she planned to accomplish them:
Stronger Together: A Blueprint for America's Future Clinton, Hillary Rodham, Ka 9781501161735 | eBay
Clinton, Hillary Rodham, Kaine, Tim.
www.ebay.com
But a bit less than half the party went in for the guy who's M4A proposal up to that point was a whopping...2 pages long. 2 pages.
That's not how it works. If the Supreme Court's view is that abortion isn't a reserved power, then it's saying that congress does not have a constitutional right to legislate one. Congress can pass laws, and does so all the time, that the court has overturned. The language of this ruling makes it absolutely crystal clear that they would do so because they do not view a constituonal basis for legalising abortion at the federal level. It is a matter for the states.
And like in 90% of cases it gets to this point, the fascist party uses the violence as the basis to justify further suppression of their opposition and disenfranchise minorities under the guise of safety and order. And for the most part the centrists of the country will side with them, and because most of the time fascists have at their backs the corrupted capitalist and police/military apparatus, it's a pretty easy task to mobilize and neutralize the opposition.
Sure but this current issue is settled until then. It's done?
Freedom of Choice Act - Wikipedia
He didn't campaign on it. It was a response to a question.
No it does get to that, the system we have now rewards in the short term candidates who promise more than they'll ever be able to get done, and in the long term never sees those popular vote-getting measures passed.This doesn't respond to yogurt's central point, which is that when a politician does campaign on what they could realistically do, they are near universally panned for it. "Not aspirational." "Good things AREN'T possible!!!"
This is the part where I remind y'all that Hillary Clinton actually released a book on her policy proposals and how she planned to accomplish them:
Stronger Together: A Blueprint for America's Future Clinton, Hillary Rodham, Ka 9781501161735 | eBay
Clinton, Hillary Rodham, Kaine, Tim.www.ebay.com
But a bit less than half the party went in for the guy who's M4A proposal up to that point was a whopping...2 pages long. 2 pages.
So why don't we start talking about implementing new systems that let parties and candidates get done the popular things that they promise? What we have now is useless and clearly doesn't protect the hard-won rights that we all need and rely on.
Chuck Schumer Says Senate Will Vote On Bill To Codify Roe v. Wade
The Senate majority leader intends to put senators on the record about abortion rights.
That probably hurt her. Reading is for elitesThis doesn't respond to yogurt's central point, which is that when a politician does campaign on what they could realistically do, they are near universally panned for it. "Not aspirational." "Good things AREN'T possible!!!"
This is the part where I remind y'all that Hillary Clinton actually released a book on her policy proposals and how she planned to accomplish them:
Stronger Together: A Blueprint for America's Future Clinton, Hillary Rodham, Ka 9781501161735 | eBay
Clinton, Hillary Rodham, Kaine, Tim.www.ebay.com
But a bit less than half the party went in for the guy who's M4A proposal up to that point was a whopping...2 pages long. 2 pages.
Realistically, nothing can be done about the current makeup of the court. This was decided in 2016. As you can also see from this thread, there are still people comically talking about Democrats earning their votes while Republicans are openly talking about ending democracy in this country.
Does that also mean that a federal law outlawing abortion would also be unconstitutional under this argument? It seems to me yes but also I guess there's no requirement for the court to be consistent.
The leaking itself is more of what I'm talking about. This rarely happens with unpublished opinions and it means the Court is hostile with each other. This can have big consequences.