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Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
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out of touch...with a ruling from 1973? and a rights debate the predates even that by decades?
Essentially, this is what I expect. If it's not explicitly in the constitution and it's a liberal legal viewpoint, it's on the chopping block. Their standard is that the only true way to enact a law is to have a constitutional amendment. And they know 100% such a thing is not going to happen. They have no problem throwing out regular legislation.
10000 votes is not very much, if that is the hurdle you need to jump to get the presidency. Maybe more political action; just a little more get out the vote in key states was needed to keep trump out and you know those supreme court seats in hand. It's easy to say that in retrospect, but... you know as you admit those votes mattered a lot.
As for attacking voters, I'm not attacking voters at all. I'm a voter, why would I attack myself? I'm a minority and an immigrant that came from an authoritarian country; republican democracy in this country is very important to me. It's disturbing seeing this backslide given that ostensibly the majority of American voters do not want this.
establishment Dems treat Republicans like Republicans treat climate change
come on. if you have any hope in Democrats idk what to tell you at this point. they care more about decorum than they care about you.
trying to get local R's to form a union is a far more worthwhile use of my time than canvassing at this point
come on. if you have any hope in Democrats idk what to tell you at this point. they care more about decorum than they care about you.
trying to get local R's to form a union is a far more worthwhile use of my time than canvassing at this point
You can't stop an unstoppable force with an immovable object if you are too concerned with weather the object is worth a damn.
you ever wish people would just say what they mean to say, so you don't have to guess?
ok but consider this: everyone is aware that a constitutional amendment is almost impossible so it's harder to blame the libs for not doing it
We have a 4-4 court with Roberts in the middle right now. I think we avoid this.
I mean I'm not saying it would fix everything and at the time institutional norms were still a thing that kind of existed so it felt extreme compared to say post Trump.
I mean the conservatives in the SCOTUS are fighting with each other too apparently
At some point, minorities, women, the poor, LGBTQ, the marginalized need to realize they need each other. They want you oppressed. Ideally, they'd prefer you fucking dead. Stop being nice.
Basically they are taking the stance that since Historically Abortion was criminalized in many places and things like Gay people were considered evil and vile that the rights afforded them do not count because history says penalize and punish. ignoring the 9th amendment which specifically states not all rights are stated in the Bill of rights or Constitution and should be considered.
Hillary didn't lose because the left didn't vote for her, so the point doesn't work there either.
I know how SCOTUS works. My point is the dems love to point fingers at the left for their own failures, even when Bernie is endorcing both candidates and most leftists vote for them, its still somehow our fault that this party manages to lose. Even when they have everything we could have voted in, its still not enough.
Maybe they think if they anti-abortion well enough the Rs will stick by them for some votes.
Fuck, idk at this point. It's clear that conventional strategy isn't really keeping pace here; maybe the winner here is to start spouting our own anti-abortion rhetoric all over and then when in office don't follow through on any of it to keep offices in our court lol
Just Manchin in every state we can. If we'll accept it for one state, why not every similar state? And if we've been failing at that and trying, pay for more convincing R-Democrats. Really just slide into the den of thieves
Yeah I know, but every bit helps. One less anti-abortion asshole in congress is a net positive, especially in the Dem party.
If you actually think Roberts would be your ally if this came to a split...
Out of touch with how to play, and win the game, not with Roe v Wade lol.
The unfortunate thing I've learned, in my 36 years on this planet as a Queer Black person, is that the guiding hegemony in American politics is race.
Of all the identities I claim. Black, Queer, poor, disabled. I am most reminded, again and again, that I am Black first.
Until this country truly wrestles with its original sin, I feel that will always be the case.
That seat is in real danger of going red because of the inroads the GOP are making in South Texas.
Dems will dump tons of money to keep Cisneros out when they should be spending tons of money get folks to vote for them.
helping folks unionize is good and worthwhile but it's very confusing as to why you're specifically limiting to a union for republicans and putting it in opposition to supporting democrats.
Who would punish them?
And if you say the American voters, who would be the vessel through which that punishment would be carried out??
You see the problem here?
Al Gore decided to lay down, Democrats were scared to prosecute Bush and his cronies for fear of "precedent and norms," Obama insisted on reaching across the aisle and finding bipartisan consensus with a party that saw denying him that consensus and cooperation their best chance at power, Democratic leaders preferred to mock realist strategists that said to pressure RGB to retire instead of recognizing the harm that could cause, Biden shuffled away his promises to look at SC reform, refused to eliminate the filibuster, Democrats can't even decide that voting rights, which are in their own best interest, is worthy enough to pass for self preservation.
This.
I really, really hope this is the wake-up call that people need to realize that the Republican party considers anyone who isn't a white Christian to be an enemy and they want you dead.
They're not your friends, they're enemies and that's what they consider you to be.
and you think the GOP are more in tune with "how the game is played" because they're younger?
Then ya fuck it. Pick who can lose the most and draw lots
Someone's going either way
If you don't think this way, you've obviously not posted outside "Leftist" spaces.
Roe v. Wade is just the first in a long list of pet peeves which ends with non-WASPs becoming second-class citizens.
Like that shit amounts to anything. When it's your holy duty to own the libs. Nothing will stop you.
And With a kicking soundtrack playing in the background.
Briefly. And that includes Joe Lieberman.
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I knew it would happen eventually but... nothing I can type can convey my feelings on this. Dread for how much further they'll be willing to go - and more likely in less news-worthy ways that people will not know they need to fight - and how long it will take before we can ever walk any of it back.
Which is really just business as usual for them in this super cool legal setup we've got in this country.
Which is really just business as usual for them in this super cool legal setup we've got in this country.
We know they do. We need other folks to give a fuck and actually do something.
Trans folks know that the GOP are targeting them. Cis folks aren't putting anything on the line to help them, for example.
Yes it demoralizing to have to continuously vote for milquetoast candidates that keep the lights on to stave off fascist candidates, only hoping the structure of the Senate loops back around to give you just enough votes to allow substantive change for a few months every few decades. But that's the fight, it doesn't end.
Yup. This thread is full of finger pointing instead of "we need to go out and vote no matter what because the R's sure as hell will".
We even had people bringing up student loans in this thread kind of implying is a reason to not vote. Like, bruh...
Our 2009 supermajority was full of blue dogs and conservative dems. Any Dem is better than any Republican, but not every Dem is a dyed in the wool progressive either. Our current setup is significantly more progressive than our last DDD government was, but we have a 50-50 senate where our single anti-choice Dem senator can gum up the works. And yeah, it's really fucking frustrating. But it's hardly an indictment on the Democratic party writ large. The vast majority of congressional Dems believe in a woman's right to choose. Pretending otherwise is disingeuous and breeds more both sides bullshit.
in the majority opinion alito writes basically "this ruling only impacts abortion and no other potential consideration of other topics stemming from inherent right to privacy, pinky swear!!" lmao
I think everyone needs to listen to The Story of OJ at the very least to get a quick 4 min rundown of being black in America. And understand that no matter what you do how much they might say you're "one of the good ones" you're still just a nigger to them. Hardest lesson I ever learned in college, after being sheltered growing up. Came home questioning everything.
Not really. Alito mentions Obergefell and Lawrence as not "real" rights specifically. They are telegraphing their next moves.
Too many people on this forum think that just because the Dems have control they should do whatever the hell they want.
I think many of you aren't actually interested in a functioning democracy if your response to this injustice tonight is "blame the dems."
I think many of you aren't actually interested in a functioning democracy if your response to this injustice tonight is "blame the dems."
Yeah, I'm terrified to see what the next big issue is. And you're right, they have these cultist so locked in that the abortion issue might not be so necessary to assure votes these days.
Whelp, there it is. For those keeping score, Abortion now becomes immediately illegal in about half the states. Also all of the Abortion laws facing legal challenges now immediately go into effect.
And if you think the Pro-Life folks are going to stop here, you're nuts. There's already planned bans on the table to arrest women who obtain abortions out of state, outlaw contraceptives, and even eliminate "life of the mother" clauses for things like ectopic pregnancies.
And if you think the Pro-Life folks are going to stop here, you're nuts. There's already planned bans on the table to arrest women who obtain abortions out of state, outlaw contraceptives, and even eliminate "life of the mother" clauses for things like ectopic pregnancies.
Thinking it's a good thing Maryland expanded who could give abortions recently.
Might lose abortion rights in Virginia in the next couple years.
Might lose abortion rights in Virginia in the next couple years.