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Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
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they drive out the most votes every national election, they have the most popular policies in the country. none of that matters because of the status quo nature of people and society, but the almost intractable -- inherent conservatism of the american political structure empower the GOP brand more.
i understand the frustration though, Dems sucking isn't really the sticking point. if nothing else, the party is a useful target to vent frustrations to
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Mitch McConnell's legacy is secured. He can feel free to die any time now.
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Whatever pact he made with the devil to deal with that necrosis on his hand still seems to be in full effect.
... But it literally was tamable. If one person retires instead of selfishly holding her seat and dying with a Republican in office, this doesn't happen.
The analogy works just fine. Your rebuttal would work if there was nothing the zookeepers could have done to prevent this. That's not the case.
It's one of those things that was a bit inevitable. Republicans have been playing the long game since around Goldwater. They've effectively taken basically every area of government from small to large in huge chunks of the country while pushing dems to the right. Like on the most small town issues there are right wing looms waiting to swarm a Schoolboard meeting to rant against CRT and trans rights on any random night. And, that's only possible after laying the groundwork of making your party so intertwined with religious and racial identity that the most vocal republican voters say shit that would make Alex Jones blush a decade ago on a daily basis.
This implies that Democrats are in a position of absolute authority and that Republicans are animals acting on instinct. A better analogy would be focusing negative energy on the human beings that are actively harming this country and its people. Wait that's not an analogy because an analogy isn't fucking needed.
Kind of an interesting take, and I think it is mostly accurate. I would also point out that conservativism is also fundamentally anti-democratic. You are correct, we literally can not fix the baked-in problems that have managed to be weaponized against us. The tiger/zookeeper analogy is flawed, but I think it does highlight that they do not play by the same rules, and have been given carte blanche to continue to do so.
Nothing would surprise me at this point. This court is a farce
I hope that the Supreme Court are ready for a lot of riots to happen all over this country, & for a majority of Republicans in Congress & everywhere else to lose this year. I also happen to be a pro-choice male.
It's also the fault of the following:
They only do the bare minimum & nothing else. They don't care about us poor & middle class people; They only care about insider trading & dark &/or bribe money from their rich corporate masters (corporations, donors, lobbyists & from Wall Street). They're absolutely no better than Republicans are in whom they've been getting Russian money from Putin.
Current Democrats (with the exceptions of everyone from the Congressional Progressive Caucus) are center-right while Republicans are now far-right. This entire scenario has me fucking livid.
It's also the fault of the following:
- The DNC for running Hillary Clinton back in 2016 against Trump, knowing all of the baggage that she & her husband had for decades from the Republican/GQP Party & from right-wing media propaganda. Bernie should've won the presidential nomination instead, & if he were the nominee back then, he would've definitely won.
- People in 2016 sitting in their homes & apartments & not getting their lazy asses out there to vote for Hillary to begin with.
- Bill Clinton, Barack Obama & Joe Biden for not having things like Roe V. Wade signed into law, especially when Obama was President, as he had control of all three branches of Government with a supermajority in the legislature. They've completely failed on that front.
- RGB for not retiring when Obama was President.
They only do the bare minimum & nothing else. They don't care about us poor & middle class people; They only care about insider trading & dark &/or bribe money from their rich corporate masters (corporations, donors, lobbyists & from Wall Street). They're absolutely no better than Republicans are in whom they've been getting Russian money from Putin.
Current Democrats (with the exceptions of everyone from the Congressional Progressive Caucus) are center-right while Republicans are now far-right. This entire scenario has me fucking livid.
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Not all women. Just poor or underserved women. They'll no longer have access to safe medical practices. Rich women can still get what they want since it'll just be a matter of time and money.
Don't have children in this country. Don't raise children in this country. Get out if you can.
That's all I can say.
That's all I can say.
Yup, this is really scary and going to start some even more vile discussion.
Also something to keep in mind at the time, as frustrating as it is.
And what can the party do?
RBG is a person. One person with autonomy in the life she lived.
The analogy does not work unless you think that there wasn't a single (single!) Democrat pressuring her to step down behind the scenes.
Honestly, most of this is just noise. All that matters is people doing work.
Well leaving aside the question of racism, I'm not sure that your statement is even true. Seems to me we live in the age of "no more normies", especially after covid hit. Winning epic Youtube debates is a pretty mainstream form of politics.
I fucking hate this world.
Remember the week of questioning Kavanaugh. With every other question being "Will you overturn Roe v Wade?"
Remember the week of questioning Kavanaugh. With every other question being "Will you overturn Roe v Wade?"
I'd say it is a fundamental part of their agenda and one of the most successful they have ever orchestrated.
Speaking of endgame, what is the endgame here?
I have talked to so many people who call themselves 'pro-life', none of them will talk about it. They act like getting rid of Roe is some panacea. Poof, there goes abortion. All the while they tell me gun control won't work, because a criminal will always find a way to get a gun.
So how does this work, what are the logistics? How are we not going to punish women? You have made an act illegal, how do you only punish one party?
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I for one would love to shoot tranq darts at a few select people
I still hope there are large protests and that Republicans lose badly next election because of this. Not the worst things to hope for after such horrible news.
The idea that the actions of one woman can be blamed on "Democrats" is absolute nonsense.
"Democrats" couldn't make RBG retire. No one could, except RBG. Even ignoring the basic ghoulishness of blaming a lifeline crusader for women's rights for this tragedy, it's illogical, empty-headed bullshit.
think it's more they are confident in overturning them, and even if they lose they still have the court. so literally any law they don't like can be challenged and potentially struck down.
basically GOP leadership feel any backlash they may get is backstopped by the fact that their obstructionist priorities are entrenched in the most powerful governmental entity in America. so even if they aren't progressing an active federal agenda, they are still achieving their political goals.
Republicans are not mindless animals without agency or accountability. So many lefties treat Republican evil as a fait accompli that it totally lets them off the hook. And I get it, when you're a progressive, a Republican is so far from your worldview that even thinking about one is unfathomable. But as a result, we get situations like these where the left predominantly blames the left for what is a right-wing decision. Consequently, Roe being overturned is the fault of RBG and Dems sucking, and Republicans are left conveniently out of the convo.
Changing policy means winning elections, and you don't win elections by saying your party are the real bad guys.
Yeah, some of the leading conservative thinkers at Ivy league schools and elsewhere have outright said in prominent publications they intend to bring authoritarian rule to the US.
People need to wake the fuck up now or they will succeed.
Repeal the filibuster, admit Washington DC and Puerto Rico as states, pass sweeping voting rights legislation, bar partisan media (such as reintroducing the fairness doctrine) and crackdown on the dissemination of misinformation via social media, motivate the justice department to ferret out the corruption in the Republican Party and, when evidence allows, jail prominent politicians from the Trump era and beyond, pack the Supreme Court in the short term and, in the long term, reform it into a more balanced entity whose non-partisan nature can be enforced.
The end goal being to create a landscape where the Republican party, as it currently exists, cannot succeed on a national level, forcing it to either wither and die (then be replaced) or undergo a fundamental transformation. Then we can have an opposition party that marginalizes the fringe element, but can still act as a healthy counterpoint to a strong American left. It's happened before and it needs to happen again.
Do the Democrats have the means to do this? No. But it's nice to dream.
This is pretty unprecedented though as well, as this is the first time I can think of where an existing right has been TAKEN away. Have to see how Americans react to this.
Yep, very well said summary (not sure the analogy with the tiger/zookeeper is going to come off well but I get where you are coming from). The system is the issue, and until something happens to change that system, we're never going to get anywhere significant. And that change isn't going to come from within the system, and it's not going to come down to something as simple as just voting all the time, because the system is made to make voting over effective to a point and is getting less effective as that system continues to be altered more.
You'll get a lot of hate for saying this, since I express a lot of these similar ideas and get attacked for them, but it's a hard truth many don't want to face.
To just make the country more miserable for anyone who is not a straight white dude.
That's literally it.
I don't really want to give them the credit of "orchestrating" the infighting but I suppose we'll never truly know until we learn what McConnel's Era account is.
What is it with some people on the left where they treat Republicans like unaccountable forces of nature with no more agency than an earthquake or tsunami?
You could have a republican shit in the middle of the street and you'd have some posters finding a way to blame a democrat for not finding them a bathroom.
This is not the thread for this moronic conspiracy theory nonsenses. Take that shit elsewhere.
Also the old "You can't put toothpaste back in the tube" argument. Except when it comes to controlling women's bodies…
You can type all kinds of delusional opinions using a keyboard, this is one of them.
2016 America was not ready for a socialist, 2020 America wasn't, 2022 isn't.
You fundamentally do not understand American politics in any detail if you believe Bernie had a shot in 2016.
I also won't let anyone on this forum absolve themselves for not voting for Clinton in the general election under any rationale. At least not while pretending to care about women's rights 👍
I'd imagine that the endgame is a federal ban on abortion, which the GOP is planning on introducing. Then a gradual clawback of any civil rights incompatible with white evangelical Christianity, starting first at the state level and then, over time, adopted federally. Things like gay marriage and anything (that's even left) that supports trans people are the next targets. Black people aren't "next" under this paradigm; they've been targets since the founding of the country. But them too.
But logistically, you'll see a lot ushered in under "religious freedom." Not to be overly pessimistic, because I have to believe this country can change for the better, but I can nevertheless imagine a future where we're wistfully nostalgic about robust judicial disputes over gay wedding cakes.
Not the first time exactly. There was also Prohibition that banned the sale and distribution of alcohol. It lasted awhile but was repealed relatively quickly. Don't see abortion being the same, though