Folks in here blaming Obama now. Why can't folks just place the blame on the people actually doing the evil shit?
Black Voters are only considered heroes because we're instrumental in trying to help white liberals achieve the aims of things that help them, but those same liberals never return the fucking favor and actually make headway on the issues that affect us because they're "too divisive" or "the slogans are stupid."
Like holy shit I'm tired of propping y'all up and being heralded as a hero for voting for people who don't even like me. I don't want your fucking pedestal.
I want my fucking rights protected.
That's literally what's derailed universal healthcare ever since FDR tried to do it way way back.I think the idea of independent voters is imaginary and due to many can't wrap their minds around how bigoted and right wing most of America is. Yeah, someone is going to give me stats saying various leftist ideals poll well in Evangelicaltown, USA. But guaranteed if those questions added "…and black people would get these protections too" they would change their answers quick.
Most people on this board lean left. There really isn't much we can do regarding right wing politicians / nut-jobs. We can, and should, criticize our leaders when they fail us. They weren't innocent bystanders. Their decisions are part of the reason we are here. We let them steal 1 supreme court seat and gave the other away smhI don't think the point isn't that some minor aspects of the history of this shit can't be blamed on figures on the left, but that...I mean come on, it's pretty obvious who the actual threat is here
Some will take every opportunity to attack their fellows on the Left instead of working actual solutions to expunge the Right. Always.
Why blame the people responsible when you can blame Obama? Fuck it, blame RBG. Anyone else we ant to blame rather than placing it squarely where it belongs? Republicans and those that didn't vote cause it didn't matter.Folks in here blaming Obama now. Why can't folks just place the blame on the people actually doing the evil shit?
If I remember correctly, he didn't have the full support of the Democrats then to do it. Yes had the 60, but not all 60 would have voted to pass it. That's the problem with Democrats, they don't work as a full unit. Republicans can because they all agree to love literal shit together.
As far as I'm aware, Dems aren't the ones trying to take away your rights. But sure, fuck the Dems.Honestly both the Democrats and the Republicans are to blame here. The Democrats have done jack shit to codify Roe v Wade into law to actually protect the precedent it sets. Fuck the Republicans pushing to change it and fuck all the democrats who are consistently more interested in protecting corporate interests than human beings.
You answered your own question. Republicans successfully tied themselves directly to the worst aspects of Christianity.The lack of participation from the Democrats and Independents is unlike on the Republicans side.
The R's vote religiously for their candidates. D's don't. For whatever reason.
Do you seriously think a so-called Senate supermajority that couldn't even pass a healthcare plan with a public option was capable of codifying Roe?Nah I don't agree.
We knew this was going to happen if they had the power to change it... It's not as if this was some unexpected turn of events. It's us vs them.
This is a right that many people fundamentally believe in. But they didn't vote/legislate/step down when they needed to for the greater good. This party let us down. Again.
You're gonna just rip that scab off and throw salt and vinegar on it huh?
Y'all, the machine responsible for this was set in motion before RBG ever lined her robes with that iconic white lace.
Stop looking for simple scapegoats. It's basic behavior. We're talking high concept shit here.
Beyond which, recess appointments aren't permanent, they only last until the end of the Congress in question. Trump would still have gotten to appoint a new justice even if Obama had made a recess appointment for a few months (which, to be clear, he could not).No the Senate never went into recess and if he had done that it would have been an unprecedented constitutional crisis that likely would have caused the nominee to not be recognized as a legitimate justice.
It was a figure of speech.You answered your own question. Republicans successfully tied themselves directly to the worst aspects of Christianity.
Do you seriously think a so-called Senate supermajority that couldn't even pass a healthcare plan with a public option was capable of codifying Roe?
I basically said that we can look at people on the left who played a role. But when people are pointing at them as the inciting event or the sole cause of this, they've lost the plot. This shit's been in motion since the moment Roe was decided in the first place.Most people on this board lean left. There really isn't much we can do regarding right wing politicians / nut-jobs. We can, and should, criticize our leaders when they fail us. They weren't innocent bystanders. Their decisions are part of the reason we are here. We let them steal 1 supreme court seat and gave the other away smh
But conservatives: R v W has been around for 50 years.
Isn't change bad? Don't we have to preserve history? Your dads were in power when this court case was submitted: aren't they going to be "rolling around" to see someone changing the laws?
No chance. There's no defensible Christian/Jewish philosophy behind banning interracial marriage, unlike abortion and gay marriage. And the modern US conservative movement is based on winning epic debates using Christian/Jewish philosophy.
Yeah. I remember some of my friends comforting me that it won't be so bad. God they were so damn wrong. It was way worse than I ever imagined. And what's terrible is that things are looking bad in the future. Biden is not the strong leader to in act changes. Congress is in gridlock despite the initial prospect that they have majority. If A new SCOTUS judge nomination last month to go by, it won't be easy to do anything. Basically leave the red states behind. But like many have said here, that's not an option for many people especially the kind of people who would be most harmed by this.remember when 2016 happened and we watched the results as Trump won? That was a bad night.
How many nights have we collectively had since for similarly bad things? Feels like a lot
ah fair. But yeah. I think they reason republicans get that type of vote is because they aligned themselves with the worst cult like aspects. Their platform is that anyone not a republican is coming for your family and your Christian religion and you have to fight for it.It was a figure of speech.
What you're talking about is a separate issue.
Doesn't a lot of the reason that the Supreme Court holds this much power is because Congress refuses to legislate anymore? Like Congress is allowed to pass laws and with state cooperation even amend the constitution. Instead they haven't done anything really in decades.
To the people who wrote it, though, it's a feature. They didn't want this country to really be anything but a confederacy of nations. It wasn't until Lincoln that politicians started to question whether we could do better.It's just ridiculous to me that this country is allowing 50 different corrupt, partisan, sometimes religious extremist states to each decide the fate of people's entire lives, just because they happen to live there. It's a fundamental failure of the fine print of the Constitution as it stands to do what its big sweeping statements guarantee.
my spicy take is that perhaps instead of blaming the people who did not want this to happen, we should blame the people who have made it their life's mission to make this happen.
No not really. That only works if the majority leader is asleep at the wheel, and I think they only last until the next Congress anyway.
100%Black Voters are only considered heroes because we're instrumental in trying to help white liberals achieve the aims of things that help them, but those same liberals never return the fucking favor and actually make headway on the issues that affect us because they're "too divisive" or "the slogans are stupid."
Like holy shit I'm tired of propping y'all up and being heralded as a hero for voting for people who don't even like me. I don't want your fucking pedestal.
I want my fucking rights protected.
Yep. Doesn't fucking matter if we get senate/house seats if the Dems that the party props up immediately sell out the party platform when they get in office.Yes, fuck the democrats. Inaction is culpability as far as I'm concerned. Voting does jack shit if the people you vote into office refuse to wield the power they've been given to protect people.
if obama had ~codified roe into law~ we'd be in the same position we are now, because the supreme court has the power to overturn laws and parts of laws and the current court is pretty open about their willingness to throw out any kind of precedent on partisan grounds.
Uh no they couldn't. McConnell had the Senate majority to stop Garland, the Dems did not have the power or majority to stop Barrett. It's a simple concept.Doesn't a lot of the reason that the Supreme Court holds this much power is because Congress refuses to legislate anymore? Like Congress is allowed to pass laws and with state cooperation even amend the constitution. Instead they haven't done anything really in decades.
The Supreme Court has historically been mostly a conservative body. Black voting rights were held back decades because of it. Eventually laws were made around this.
Also while of course the Republicans and Mitch McConnell are to blame for this, I'm still pissed off at the number of things Dems managed to let slide. RBG should've retired when asked under Obama. Dems should've codified Roe v Wade into law. Dems should've done a much better job of holding up McConnell Court appointments. Like if McConnell could sit there and hold up nominations for a year, Dems couldn't have come up with a dumbass excuse to hold up Barrett's nomination for like 40 days?
As far as I'm aware, Dems aren't the ones trying to take away your rights. But sure, fuck the Dems.