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Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
- Thread starter Smokeymicpot
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Yeah they suck too. What's to say about them anymore? They've made their intentions known for decades now and the people who could've done something about this haven't.
I mean just because I liked the results of Roe and Obergefell doesn't mean I agree with the process. This is the other side of that same coin. The court was always too powerful but now its just completely mask off. I really don't know what the solution is now. The Supreme Court says no rights are valid at all unless explicitly stated in the federal constitution. This is no longer an actual court. LGBT rights are finished Contraception, interracial marriage, pretty much anything you can think of is toast.
And there is literally no way around that? I feel like there has to be a way to vote them out or something.
Going by the reactions to this thread and most threads about voting, "we" definitely don't
If you are going to give up the idea that the system can be changed, then you might as well say nothing, because the system is rigged and getting more rigged as time goes on. All you're doing at that point is berating people who don't matter because the system can never be changed in your view
This is not the will of the people, straight up. This is the political machine at work against the people. It's absolutely disgusting and unrepresentative of our values.
I mean ya should be permd for uttering the words student loans here
This might be the most important moment of all our lives happening now, yall in-fighters and cynics please fuck off.
Peeling away the filibuster seems like such a gamble at this point. It's of little value to Democrats legislatively if Republicans take the House, and I'd be terrified of what a Republican trifecta plus a 6-3 Supreme Court would allow without SOME legislative firewall.
But like, if they're really going all-in, they'd have the capacity to get rid of it themselves. So should Democrats try and get ahead and shore up what defenses they can in the last ~6 months of House control?
I just wish they had that level of urgency at the start of Biden's term, when the writing was on the wall, and they had the means to enact more meaningful change. So much time pissed away. (But, shit, not like they had a guaranteed 50 votes for the more vital legislation either way. Remember when DC statehood seemed like a possibility? Good times.)
But like, if they're really going all-in, they'd have the capacity to get rid of it themselves. So should Democrats try and get ahead and shore up what defenses they can in the last ~6 months of House control?
I just wish they had that level of urgency at the start of Biden's term, when the writing was on the wall, and they had the means to enact more meaningful change. So much time pissed away. (But, shit, not like they had a guaranteed 50 votes for the more vital legislation either way. Remember when DC statehood seemed like a possibility? Good times.)
Imagine making a post like this. You realize Biden being in has little do to with the current composite of the court, right?
And student loans in a thread about women having their basic human rights stripped from them?
Because Dems are at a disadvantage when it comes to Senate control. The solution is to get rid of the idea that each state gets an equal vote.
Manchin is from a deep red state. He's coasting on inertia at this point. If he were to be primaried, he would be replaced by a republican for a generation.
Sinema is just a piece of shit, and should be primaried.
"We have to reach across the aisle in the spirit of cooperation."
Republicans will just get rid of it themselves. They did it to get a court seat already
Not surprise this thread has derailed into infighting.
I'm ready to keep fighting for the future, even if I don't live to see it get better. Can't change the past. When yall are ready to come together, I'll be with ya.
I'm ready to keep fighting for the future, even if I don't live to see it get better. Can't change the past. When yall are ready to come together, I'll be with ya.
Lol no.
Wisconsin is gerrymandered to hell. There's basically zero chance of democrats taking the legislature for the next decade.
Christ, if I were a reporter and he were to say that shit to me, I'd be all like, "do all your votes in the Senate come from waiting and seeing what SCOTUS does?"
Pipe dream. Good luck getting people to do this when gas and groceries cost as much as they do.
We have no way of knowing how many of those non-voters were leftists or Bernie supporters who sat out the election, though. The actual polling showed that Bernie supporters showed up for Hillary in good numbers. More Bernie supporters voted for Clinton than Hillary supporters showed up for Obama in 2008. I understand your frustration but it seems like those people were far more vocal on the internet than they were in real life. They likely didn't help, but there were a lot of groups I would say influenced the election more, primarily white men and women in general.
Absolutely, there were multiple factors rigged against us and it's only going to get (likely much) worse.
Yes the system is rigged
Yes by and large people voted for Hillary
But we need more people to do their part to beat the odds. We failed when it wasn't guaranteed that we would fail.
No of course not. But nothing needs to be said about them - it should be generally assumed that they are evil people. I can't do too much about that, so I was hoping that the people who could, would. Alas.
I have a theory. Everyone seems to think this leak came from someone who disagreed with the opinion and wanted to let everyone know.
But consider:
This morning there was reporting out that Republicans were planning their very first bill, after they take back congress, to be to make abortion illegal across the country and they would nuke the filibuster to do it.
I think a conservative Justice leaked the vote and draft opinion to Republicans in congress, which obviously further leaked from there.
But consider:
This morning there was reporting out that Republicans were planning their very first bill, after they take back congress, to be to make abortion illegal across the country and they would nuke the filibuster to do it.
I think a conservative Justice leaked the vote and draft opinion to Republicans in congress, which obviously further leaked from there.
possibly? I mean from what I read (and if anyone wants to add more, please do), gay marriage was made legal on the same amendment as roe v. wade. Aka the 14th amendment. So, hypothetical, they could go after gay marriage. But what really makes my skin crawl about this is the mention of overturning Casey as well? Namely, because of the whole women had to get a husband permission to do a medical thing! like what the actual fuck is overturning that about?! Real scary shit!
Do people really expect record protests will come from this?
This issue is less marketable and less visible than the George Floyd killing and we'll have less open enemies than the police who can be trusted to commit police brutality and exacerbate the issue further. We'll have a hard as fuck time getting something close to the 2020 protests (which also failed)
This issue is less marketable and less visible than the George Floyd killing and we'll have less open enemies than the police who can be trusted to commit police brutality and exacerbate the issue further. We'll have a hard as fuck time getting something close to the 2020 protests (which also failed)
Fine, change it. But until it is changed you know the rules, you know the game, the blame is the people. Full stop. When the game is changed, great.
I wouldn't be surprised it was one of the MAGA staffers to then gaslight and blame BLM/etc for leaking it.
Oh I think there's no doubts the protests are going to be massive. But I hope those protests are directed both towards SCOTUS but also the Democratic leadership.
Alito specifically mentioned that Obergefell, same-sex marriage, and Lawrence, which stopped the criminalization of sodomy, as not "real" rights. They are telling you what they will do next.
I can't wait to be lectured about the pointlessness of voting by people who only vote once every four years *at most*
If Democrats actually cared about midterms and state legislative races half as much as conservatives do then we wouldn't be at this junction. There are so many pathways to victory in our form of government, you can't afford to ignore any lever of power.
If Democrats actually cared about midterms and state legislative races half as much as conservatives do then we wouldn't be at this junction. There are so many pathways to victory in our form of government, you can't afford to ignore any lever of power.
The only mass protest that politicians sorta kinda cared about in recent memory before that shit was dropped about were the 1/6 riots because those fuckers actually breached the Capitol and posed a physical threat. I learned very quick from going out in the streets those two summers ago that while it makes a very nice show, and it gets international attention, the fact is American politicians don't actually care in the long run about protests because they know for a fact that they can wait the heat out and avoid the consequences.
