Politico: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Dodongo · May 2, 2022

darkwing said:
I still find it strange where a US state of 100,000 population is equal in representation to a state of 10,000,000 , I'm talking about 2 Senators per state?

I'm not from the US but shouldn't Americans find this horrible too? what is the reason for this

The Senate is designed to give outsized power to red states. It's totally broken as an institution.

Another reason why the "weak Dems are just ineffectual" narrative is completely tone deaf. Blue voters have to turn out in way greater numbers just to break even.

ForgeForsaken · May 2, 2022

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Dalek · May 2, 2022

"I just can't get excited to vote for Hillary."

Fuck you.

Malleymal · May 2, 2022

People had to know this was coming…. Doesn't make it any easier to swallow. The leak allows for all red states to get their shit laws in place to ban abortion as soon as the law passes. Protests will be plentiful, but the law isn't going anywhere.

Republicans smelled blood a while ago and going for the kill. I feel for all of those populations that will feel the Republican rage for the next few decades..

grand · May 2, 2022

mbpm said:
I would agree with you in broad strokes for most times before the 21st century.

As of now the continuing climate catastrophe for me is both ahistorical and allows for backsliding on a rather unprecedented scale potentially. We can lose like we never have before.

Well, it's gonna be quite a time in any case

Okay, so I'll admit climate change is a very realistic wrench in the gears to the whole process: not just for the US, but the world. No one is equipped to handle the social & economic upheaval from climate change. That's far more likely to cause severe issues with the US status quo moreso than anything else.

Encephalon · May 2, 2022

Lord Fanny said:
Just illustrating my point more and more. There will never be any hope if you can't even acknowledge the system is broken.

It's possible to recognize the system is rigged and wish more people had voted. It's not impossible to win the presidency.

antonz · May 2, 2022

EvilChameleon said:
Like, theoretically, at best, a conservative "gun nut" could dual wield two guns at once. Having a massive gun collection isn't going to suddenly give someone an upper hand.

And people greatly underestimate how many Liberal minded people have guns. We may not be freaks who need 50,000 rounds of ammo and 200 guns but we are armed

Ensorcell · May 2, 2022

This was virtually guaranteed after RBG's death. The decision leaking is the twist. The U.S. is falling apart.

Kemal86 · May 2, 2022

Dodongo said:
The Senate is designed to give outsized power to red states. It's totally broken as an institution.

Another reason why the "weak Dems are just ineffectual" narrative is completely tone deaf. Blue voters have to turn out in way greater numbers just to break even.

yeah but that won't stop the narrative from being repeated endlessly even on this site. somehow, it's dems fault.

Hrodulf · May 2, 2022

steejee said:
Another reminder that no, both sides are not bad. Every election matters, and now thousands and thousands of women are going to suffer the consequences of peoples' indifference.

I mean, more people voting would be better, sure, but the system in America is so tilted in favor of Republicans that Trump won the EC by nearly 15% despite getting 2% less of the popular vote.

Richi · May 2, 2022

NostroDalek said:
"I just can't get excited to vote for Hillary."

Fuck you.

Hard not to feel this way.

Trey · May 2, 2022

Malleymal said:
People had to know this was coming…. Doesn't make it any easier to swallow. The leak allows for all red states to get their shit laws in place to ban abortion as soon as the law passes. Protests will be plentiful, but the law isn't going anywhere.

Republicans smelled blood a while ago and going for the kill. I feel for all of those populations that will feel the Republican rage for the next few decades..

those states already had abortion ban laws in the pipeline. they've been writing them up since 2020 when ACB was confirmed.

ArrogantBastard · May 2, 2022

Ensorcell said:
This was virtually guaranteed after RBG's death. The decision leaking is the twist. The U.S. is falling apart.

Ya'll can point to RBG, but this shit was on the wall when Trump was elected. It was clear as fucking day to anyone REMOTELY paying attention.

TyrantII · May 2, 2022

Lord Fanny said:
We, the majority of voters, didn't. The rigged system just did what it was rigged to do.

Yes and no. There's plenty of eligible voters who have bought into propaganda and don't vote. They'd be a moderating factor, and buffer against this minority being able to terrorize and govern in bad faith.

But shit has been going on since the reconstruct, and the problem has been kicked down the road so many times. There is some irony that the DLC moderate Clinton's who refused to deal with it in the 90s (probably the last time they had the numbers and political will to do anything) then lost 2016, and possibly the nation to the same forces they ignored then.

Incubuster · May 2, 2022

This is utterly demoralizing. Such a sad state this country is in.

Atom Heart Mother · May 2, 2022

Ensorcell said:
This was virtually guaranteed after RBG's death. The decision leaking is the twist. The U.S. is falling apart.

Thank you RBG for not retiring when the time was right! I hope your ego was worth it!

Swiggins · May 2, 2022

EvilChameleon said:
Like, theoretically, at best, a conservative "gun nut" could dual wield two guns at once. Having a massive gun collection isn't going to suddenly give someone an upper hand.

Do you think that gun nut doesn't have a bunch of buddies he'd be more than happy to loan arms and ammo to?

MrNelson · May 2, 2022

Lord Fanny said:
This is a weak gatcha attempt, and does nothing at all to address anything I said. But keep attacking the voters. For the system is perfect, and forever shall be

I never said it was. Please continue putting words in my mouth.

Psrock1 · May 2, 2022

2016 has changed this country so much that we are moving backward.

Alligatorjandro · May 2, 2022

Why didn't Obama codify it into law?

FlowersisBritish · May 2, 2022

Just posting to keep an eye on any protest information/share if I come across any. I now live near Susan Collins office so im sure she's going to be ecstatic when she sees me.

grand · May 2, 2022

Thordinson said:
This system is still broken. I vote but I know my work outside the political process is much more impactful in my community.

While history may gives us hints in many ways, I don't think we should pretend that it can't happen here. It can and has. Now, how far will it slide? We don't know.

I'm more arguing against the idea that it "will" happen moreso than whether it can happen. The enemy of progress is apathy and apathy can allow anything to occur unabated.

ArrogantBastard · May 2, 2022

Lord Fanny said:
We, the majority of voters, didn't. The rigged system just did what it was rigged to do.

This is such a cop out. It has been the system since this shit tier country was established. People in very specific states said ehh fuck it.

You knew the rules of the game, you were explicitly told the rules of the game, you were DIRECTLY warned about the repercussions, people still went ehh

Hellwarden · May 2, 2022

Not much to say tbh.

Like to think this kicks off something big, something that really shifts this country in a big way.

But I'm too cynical to really believe that.

EvilChameleon · May 2, 2022

Swiggins said:
Do you think that gun nut doesn't have a bunch of buddies he'd be more than happy to loan arms and ammo to?

I feel like someone willing to accept a gun from a friend already has a gun of their own, don't you?

mbpm · May 2, 2022

hard not to feel that we lost since Reagan tbh

The conservative machine was so powerful then. And we built nothing to counter it. BLM and on the ground activism can never make up the difference

Nola · May 2, 2022

Lord Fanny said:
Just illustrating my point more and more. There will never be any hope if you can't even acknowledge the system is broken.

Both things can be true: the system is broken and people failed to act with the right sense of urgency and clarity needed to stave off even worse harm

Just like it can also be true that the Republicans are true evil, but at the same time, if the Democratic Party can't lead and stop looking like the SPD party of Germany circa 1930, and the left in this country arguing the same sort of ridiculous acclerationsim the KPD party did at the same time, the country is fucked because the Republicans, like the Nazi's, will simply continue to go to extremes to maintain power, while the opposition will spend as much time fighting their own sides and playing to their moneyed base and the old way of politics, and they will get progressively steamrolled over time

Royalan · May 2, 2022

Alligatorjandro said:
Why didn't Obama codify it into law?

Because he was President, not God-King.

So much of this comes down to Congress and paying attention to local races.

Big Baybee · May 2, 2022

Republican voters plow ahead and vote for every shitty candidate put in front of them. Wish my side did the same. Going to get a lot worse.

Nobleman Swerve · May 2, 2022

NostroDalek said:
"I just can't get excited to vote for Hillary."

Fuck you.

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DrDarkStryfe · May 2, 2022

Alligatorjandro said:
Why didn't Obama codify it into law?

Congress has to do that.

grand · May 2, 2022

Alligatorjandro said:
Why didn't Obama codify it into law?

That's.... Not a thing, silly goose lol

J.T · May 2, 2022

Well there it is, 5-4 too, all 3 Trumps appointee. Ridiculous.

Thordinson · May 2, 2022

grand said:
I'm more arguing against the idea that it "will" happen moreso than whether it can happen. The enemy of progress is apathy and apathy can allow anything to occur unabated.

Fair enough. I think we all need to be vigilant because bad things are coming.

Lord Fanny · May 2, 2022

Encephalon said:
It's possible to recognize the system is rigged and wish more people had voted. It's not impossible to win the presidency.

Lord Fanny said:
Hilary won the popular vote by over 3 million. The majority of people did their job. The 2016 election was decided by less than 10,000 votes across three states that had heavy voter suppression. The system is rigged. You're just attacking the people who did what they were supposed to do.

TyrantII said:
Yes and no. There's plenty of eligible voters who have bought into propaganda and don't vote. They'd be a moderating factor, and buffer against this minority being able to terrorize and govern in bad faith.

But shit has been going on since the reconstruct, and the problem has been kicked down the road so many times. There is some irony that the DLC moderate Clinton's who refused to deal with it in the 90s (probably the last time they had the numbers and political will to do anything) then lost 2016, and possibly the nation to the same forces they ignored then.

Yeah, but the majority of voters are doing their part. That's my point. We are misdirecting the criticism to the wrong place.

MrNelson said:
I never said it was. Please continue putting words in my mouth.

Then what are you saying? What's your point?

steejee · May 2, 2022

Lord Fanny said:
We, the majority of voters, didn't. The rigged system just did what it was rigged to do.

If 'Didn't vote' was a candidate in 2016 it would have won handily. Rigged votes weren't why PA went to Trump, or MI.

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Alligatorjandro said:
Why didn't Obama codify it into law?

Obama only briefly had a 'supermajority' and spent it on the ACA and Roe v Wade was not seen as in much danger then as it clearly is now.

TheHunter · May 2, 2022

Royalan said:
Heads up:

If in a moment this perilous; a moment where the "Bad Guy" has never been clearer...you can still only fix your fingers to talk about how much the Democrats suck?

You need to step away from your computer, or your mobile device...and find the nearest mirror to take a long hard look in.

Post it in Neon and font 48.

Deleted member 3208 · May 2, 2022

Alligatorjandro said:
Why didn't Obama codify it into law?

Real question is why didn't Congress codify it into law.

Although this crazy court would likely strike it down too.

darkside · May 2, 2022

Sky Chief said:
It's time to stack the fucking court!!!!

What does this even solve? It'd be a constant yo-yo where the court keeps getting larger and larger. Any time Republicans gain control they can just strike down anything they don't like via the court.

Just abolish the supreme court as an institution entirely. It has always done more harm than good when it comes to rights and now it'd just be comical if it wasn't all just so fucked up.

Alligatorjandro said:
Why didn't Obama codify it into law?

They would have just ruled the law was unconstitutional if Congress did that? When 1 branch has the power to rule the only legal laws are the ones that are expressly mentioned in the non-amended constitution I'm not sure how passing actual laws is going to help.

Dyle · May 2, 2022

I just don't see how the 2024 election's aftermath won't destroy whatever little of value is left of this pathetic excuse for a nation. You gotta imagine if you were able to run the simulation a hundred times the country wouldn't even make it to 2026 in at least half of them

Thordinson · May 2, 2022

steejee said:
If 'Didn't vote' was a candidate in 2016 it would have won handily. Rigged votes weren't why PA went to Trump, or MI.

I think there should be plenty of disdain for the Obama -> Trump voters.

Cels · May 2, 2022

coincidence or reaction to the politico story?

ADS · May 2, 2022

A sincere FUCK YOU to all the ERA (or was it gaf back then?) members circa 2016 who didn't vote for Hillary since "the supreme court doesn't matter, we need to send a message to the democratic party that we want more progressive candidates".

How'd that work out, hmm?

Barzul · May 2, 2022

Malleymal said:
People had to know this was coming…. Doesn't make it any easier to swallow. The leak allows for all red states to get their shit laws in place to ban abortion as soon as the law passes. Protests will be plentiful, but the law isn't going anywhere.

Republicans smelled blood a while ago and going for the kill. I feel for all of those populations that will feel the Republican rage for the next few decades..

This is because power is power and cultural influence is irrelevant. Democrats need overwhelming power to absorb the likes of defectors like Manchin and Sinema. They just don't have that. I'm skeptical this Roe decision changes much, not sure if what is being lost is understood because it's been around for so long.

III-V · May 2, 2022

Why Would Joe Biden Do This? /s

I am feeling the Bern right now

CountAntonio · May 2, 2022

Pathetic, disgusting priorities in this country.

darkwing · May 2, 2022

is this the first time a SC voting has been leaked? then the leaker is a hero

BassForever · May 2, 2022

darkside said:
What does this even solve? It'd be a constant yo-yo where the court keeps getting larger and larger. Any time Republicans gain control they can just strike down anything they don't like via the court.

Just abolish the supreme court as an institution entirely. It has always done more harm than good when it comes to rights and now it'd just be comical if it wasn't all just so fucked up.

They would have just ruled the law was unconstitutional if Congress did that? When 1 branch has the power to rule the only legal laws are the ones that are expressly mentioned in the non-amended constitution I'm not sure how passing actual laws is going to help.

Without the SC Roe vs Wade wouldn't have existed in the first place. The people saying "abolish the supreme court" are basically agreeing with the conservative judges that it wasn't the court's place to provide these protection rights 😬

Ensorcell · May 2, 2022

Alligatorjandro said:
Why didn't Obama codify it into law?

Because he was president not Merlin reincarnated.

Deleted member 1570 · May 2, 2022

lol they're mad someone spoiled the surprise, get fucked

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