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Police: White Man Reportedly Killed Teenager Because Teen's Rap Music Made Suspect Feel 'Unsafe'
- Thread starter Stellar
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Rest in Peace Elijah Al-Amin.
17 years young. Yet another victim of white america's "fear" of black people while they're the ones killing us for things as simple as playing music.
The murdering thug deserves a fate that I probably can't say on here.
17 years young. Yet another victim of white america's "fear" of black people while they're the ones killing us for things as simple as playing music.
The murdering thug deserves a fate that I probably can't say on here.
How about you calm the fuck down and don't tell people to grow up. You are acting like a childish twat. I even said the human element is the biggest flaw in a system so back the fuck down
The reality I see is some people deserve to die. Full stop. In this situation the man fits the bill and then some. Beyond that I've got nothing more to share I guess.
If you aren't qualified then maybe you should stop arguing for something you aren't qualified to understand, when the people who ARE qualified to understand it have demonstrated time and time again that there is no benefit to the death penalty and that innocent deaths are an inevitability in any system that has a death penalty.
Not to mention this case is the perfect example of why our retributive justice system is such a failure. This man has been in prison so many times, but because we don't even attempt to rehabilitate prisoners, every time he gets out he commits a more serious and violent crime until he eventually randonly kills a completely innocent person. This is fucking horrifying, and it would happen far less if we attempted to rehabilitate offenders.
It doesn't seem like I'm the one who needs to calm down.
You identified the entire issue and still insist it can be ignored because killing bad people makes you feel better. It's selfish.
Because you are satisfied with magical thinking even if innocent people die. If you want it bad enough the experts can surely figure it out. It's just lazy.
It's not a good thing.
You keep doing that narrative, guy. I'm done engaging with you else I get a ban
User Banned (1 Month): Hostility and Antagonizing Other Users Over Multiple Posts in this Thread; Prior Bans for Similar Behavior.
You don't have anything even resembling a substantive argument so you have to yell a lot. Your argument is purely emotional.
"I want bad people to die and that's that! Can't tell me otherwise, I won't hear it! Making me feel better is worth killing innocents!"
Man. Did I stutter when I said I ain't gonna engage with you anymore? You so far up your judgemental ass that you can't read?
Qualified, unqualified...didn't think it mattered on giving our opinions here. Last time I checked, this was a message board. The whole point is to discuss events and share our point of view. I'm trying to be respectful and attempt to see from other's point of view. At the end of the day, we disagree. That's fine, but we can both argue whatever we want. Come on.
You have dropped all pretext of even trying to think up a coherent argument because there isn't one. This emotional outburst is you coping with that fact.
I'm sorry reality isn't the way you wish it was.
Respectful unlike some members here telling people to grow up or they're living in fantasy land.
You can't even dream up an argument to support your position. You refuse to even try. You even identify the entire problem and still refuse to rethink your approach. I can't think of anything more pathetic than that.
Here, I'll try to help:
Now that you've identified that humans and their propensity to make mistakes or behave maliciously is the problem, how do you propose a law instituting capital punishment fixes this problem?
Yeah I want bad people to die. And in cases where guilt cannot be proven without reasonable doubt, then no death penalty. It's that simple.
You are stanning for a guy that sliced a teenager's throat, was found covered in his blood and admitted he did it. Not sure what point you are trying to make here, but it's not coming across. Hence why you are getting people riled up.
I get that the death penalty is serious business, and that there are innocent people on death row. I ain't stupid. I get that the system is broken. But for cases like this? Fuck him. People shouldn't have to pay for this fucker to live. He killed a black kid for listening to music. There ain't no rehabilitation, dude was legit just released from prison for a string of crimes.
Just put him under IMO. There's nothing else to do with this man. He will never, ever contribute to society. If you think he can, then offer up the argument.
Whatever happened with that one? I think I remember that they confirmed that they didn't "know" each other like people thought but no more after that.
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People are just ridiculous.
Without a reasonable doubt is already the requirement for conviction! That point makes no sense and betrays a fundamental lack of legal understanding.
This is not "stanning" for anyone. Painting it that way is either willfully disingenuous or just stupid.
Name one benefit to killing someone over jailing them forever that justifies occasionally killing an innocent person. Don't say deterrence. It's not 1973. We know that's not a real thing. Name one substantive benefit.
I... I gotta agree. There are heinous cases like this where it's iron clad, open and shut.
I recognize the policy is fallible and can be weaponized against minorities, but as long as it still exists, this guy is a perfect candidate.
For real, fuck this guy.
God damn man. Keep at it. Maybe when people say they don't want to engage with you, you'll eventually listen.
Still no answer. You don't have one and refuse to deal with that fact.
Dude. Stop antagonizing me. I'm spending time with my family and don't have time to engage with your judgemental ass
Less than a year before enjoying adulthood too. Dude robbed him of his whole life.
It's totally fine to think people like this deserve to die, but the death penalty is still wrong no matter how much it would make you feel better.
He does need to be locked up forever though.
He does need to be locked up forever though.
How do these people legitimately get around the system like this.
RIP to the victim and condolences to his family and loved ones. I won't say what I wish for the murderer except that I hope he gets it. What a terrifying event.
It's the inevitable result of prioritizing punishment and feel-good "tough on crime" "I'll give them what they deserve" type criminal justice over dispassionate, evidence and results based logically coherent approaches.
I dont you could uh..also just stop responding.
I'm kind of shocked anyone could look at our racist justice system and possibly think the idea that the idea of using human judgment could ever suddenly have no doubt about a case.
More so lawyers and prosecutors can fight over striking out select jury members, literally trying to shape a conviction.
There really shouldn't be single judges. Nobody fate should be decided by one person with a shitty mood or attitude for the day. It should be juries and panel of judges
Jeeze. No one should have to go through a violent butchering death like that.
That white supremacist murderer needs to go.
That white supremacist murderer needs to go.
Yeah you can give whatever opinion you want, just don't whine about it when your ignorant opinion gets called out as ignorant.
This isn't 'getting around the system', these are the results our shitty, backwards justice system produces. This is why we desperately need to change it, so horrible shit like this doesnt happen.
I don't understand why you are continuing this with them. You are obviously antagonizing people who are upset with a heinous act of violence and have zero desire to get into a policy argument over the death penalty with you.
For the record, I think you're right. I'm not sure how you could tailor the penalty to ensure that no innocent could ever be put to death. That's the only reason I'm against it. In a perfect world, this piece of human garbage would already be in the ground. But it's not a perfect world. Clearly.
The criminal justice philosophy used to justify the death penalty is the same one that lets people like this rotate in and out of prison, never getting better, never having a real chance of getting better and putting innocent people at risk of falling victim to the failures of a system we know doesn't work.
Do you understand why that's important? And do you understand that engaging in a discussion is not me forcing anyone to type anything? Recognizing emotionally motivated reasoning is the whole damn point. Prioritizing emotional satisfaction when judging proposed solutions can damn near explain every single thing wrong with society.
Again, I'm in agreement with you. But calling people misinformed, lazy, or "daring" them to provide an argument isn't advancing any kind of cause.
Doesn't that quote fuck him?
Protective would be meditated,
Reactive would be not be pre meditated.
A lawyer will try to weasel around the charges.
Misinformed is a perfectly acceptable label when a person demonstrates they're misinformed. To be honest I don't remember making that accusation explicitly. I called arguments lazy, and I didn't "dare," I requested an actual real argument be given. A request, I should add, that should never need to be made of someone trying to justify a position. The evasive response I got should be all the justification required for asking in the first place.
They can't be just as mad art the fact that people continue to espouse regressive viewpoints that, when made into policy, directly lead to situations like this one, where someone who has been repeatedly failed by the system murders a completely innocent teen?
Way to shit up a thread about a black kid being killed.
RIP Elijah
Yes. Let's think of the poor guy that's been failed by the system and slit a teenager's throat.
Poor guy. We let him all down guys.
Yes, it means he acknowledges he wasn't provoked. He assumed something bad was going to happen so he acted before it could.
Don't "too soon to talk about gun control" this. The guy was let out of prison like two days before. We need to discuss why the system fails.
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying the system we have produces people like that, and this case is a perfect example considering his list of offences increasing in severity after every prison stay. He murdered this poor kid literally 2 days after getting out of prison, if that isn't an indictment of our system then idk what is.