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Police chiefs' solidarity #WalkWithUs #TakeAKnee for George Floyd Protests
- Thread starter Messofanego
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I don't buy any of this shit. Ultimately they'll toe the line, they always do. This just feels like more empty, bullshit copaganda. Maybe I'm cynical but they haven't earned anything resembling the benefit of the doubt to me.
Worthless.
Help lead a charge for completely independent investigators for police misconduct. That would do something. Don't just take a generic stand against killing black people when you've repeatedly demonstrated that you don't actually care.
It is impossible to will away the problems with police violence and racism. It has to forcibly be rooted out by actually making it so there are consequences for their actions.
Letting them investigate themselves is one of the biggest roots of the problem.
Help lead a charge for completely independent investigators for police misconduct. That would do something. Don't just take a generic stand against killing black people when you've repeatedly demonstrated that you don't actually care.
It is impossible to will away the problems with police violence and racism. It has to forcibly be rooted out by actually making it so there are consequences for their actions.
Letting them investigate themselves is one of the biggest roots of the problem.
Police chief of San Jose did a great video communicating to his police why blm, at least I thought so.
No.
"ACAB"-screamers are as lame as ever.
Parts of this forum are severely deluded and I will probably get banned for voicing this opinion.
Policing in the US in general is fucked up and needs reform, of course.
User Banned (3 Months): Dismissing concerns around police violence, hostility, and inflammatory generalisations over a series of posts; prior bans for hostility.
I did and decided not to go with the herd and to not compromise my integrity.
Juvenile.
I do realize you (US era) are used to a different picture of police force that many of us from European countries are.
Remarkably, the same people from the US who keep shouting "ACAB" cheered that "Karen" getting tazed by a cop a week ago. And people outside the US were just a disgusted by that display of bloodlust and cheering on violence. The US is fucked up.
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It's been really frustrating to see non-black celebrities RT viral videos of peaceful protests w/ cops in Newark as if it should be the standard for either the civilians or the police, or both on some unity shit. Treat this as PR by the cops until it's proven that this isn't lip service with tangible change in the future, and then they'll earn less critique from me at that point.
And cynically, my gut suspects that keeping things from getting messy and pacifying protestors is probably the most budget-friendly approach for cops, so you can't know if cops collectively are crossing lines because they are down with the cause frfr and will reform or because the cops know it's logistically beneficial in the short-term to take a knee this week if their blue brothers with less bloodthirsty impulse control haven't already made things messy in the city they work in.
And cynically, my gut suspects that keeping things from getting messy and pacifying protestors is probably the most budget-friendly approach for cops, so you can't know if cops collectively are crossing lines because they are down with the cause frfr and will reform or because the cops know it's logistically beneficial in the short-term to take a knee this week if their blue brothers with less bloodthirsty impulse control haven't already made things messy in the city they work in.
So you're not from the US and you're going to tell others that they, the people who interact with the police on a daily basis, are wrong.
What are your brain worm's names 😋💞?
Yea cops are not as bad in the UK.
Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes - Wikipedia
Oh wait.
Plz don't talk for all of the EU, because you don't know what the fuck you on about.
As a brown man from UK I have had some of the most awful experiences in my life around cops.
Your integrity is looks great btw smh.
Edit here is another one for you.
Killing of Mark Duggan - Wikipedia
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You are literally fucking clueless. Please shut the hell up when it comes to US police relations
Yeah, ACAB probably doesn't apply to a country where there aren't any minorities to persecute.
I swear this is like the third time since moderation announced being European wasn't an excuse for being an imbecile as it relates to race relations in the US would no longer be allowed that I've called it out.
You don't honestly think people that say ACAB literally mean all cops do you? It's clear it's referring to American police. Cops that actually do the right thing are often expelled from the gang. I've seen a video of a Chinese cop shoot a limb (something people that claim to know American law enforcement say is impossible and they can only hit center of mass) and Australian and UK cops show restraint in life or death situations that would not have been extended to a black person in America. A coward pig in Florida shot a black man that literally laid on the ground unarmed to protect the autistic person in his care from them. There's a long history of police violence against the black community which is why protests have erupted all over our country. It's enough and people are fed up.
But at least you took a stand for.... well nothing but you got up.
Other countries outside the US have police, too, you know.
Just because you can't see outside your bubble doesn't mean others can't.
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Don't bring up this European nonsense here. Plenty of racism here in Europe, and don't want you being dismissive of what us minorities go through in Europe also.
is about the black British experience, and plenty more racism in European countries so miss me with that.
Yes, I do. Because people kept literally reinforcing and stressing that assertion.
While US policing has severe problems as I stressed before, "ACAB" doesn't even apply to the US. That's some polarized tribal shit.
This is weird. Like by walking with the protesters, they're basically protesting against... themselves? These are the people in a position to do something about all this shit. Maybe do something before people get fucking murdered to show "solidarity".
I never claimed policing outside the US is perfect. In many countries - including mine - it is not as fucked up, however.Don't bring up this European nonsense here. Plenty of racism here in Europe, and don't want you being dismissive of what us minorities go through in Europe also.
is about the black British experience, and plenty more racism in European countries so miss me with that.
Edit: after witnessing the recent months on Era, the Biden/Reade threads and so on, this piling on was wholly expected from some of you.
I think the idea that members of the force are opening their eyes to the systematic racism that exists and are "crossing the line" so to speak actually speaks volumes. This is not to say that this alone is going to solve the problem but it's a needed step in the right direction.
If you really want to show solidarity turn in your badge and gun.
if there really are as many "good cops" as some people would lead you to believe, that would make a hell of an impact, no?
if there really are as many "good cops" as some people would lead you to believe, that would make a hell of an impact, no?
Way to back it up, buddy. You knew full well this was a thread about policing in the US and your original statements were clearly a comparison to police in Europe. Why the hell would anyone dealing with literal dumpster fires and curfews as a result of protests of AMERICAN police brutality give two shits about European cops in this thread? Your comments only served to derail and it seems you got your wish.
Well, they didn't scream "AUSCAB". And even if they did, it'd be wrong.
Stressing this again: policing in the US desperately needs reform but screaming "ACAB" is just dumb.
Umm...there was literally zero risk to them making these "gestures". No one is going to attack a weapon-less cop in the middle of a civil protest. All they had to do was play along.
For the cops kneeling, I want you to ask yourselves what that gesture represents. For athletes, kneeling during the anthem meant that "your idea of America is the wrong one, let's change for the better". When comparing that to what these officers are doing, I translate the gesture as "no, your version of America is wrong!"
Each is an empty gesture.
For the cops kneeling, I want you to ask yourselves what that gesture represents. For athletes, kneeling during the anthem meant that "your idea of America is the wrong one, let's change for the better". When comparing that to what these officers are doing, I translate the gesture as "no, your version of America is wrong!"
Each is an empty gesture.
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You're straight up trolling at this point with a bunch of #notallcops fragile nonsense. Why do you act like this? You're not helping things by being like this. Please.
But you think you're helping with that juvenile "ACAB" screaming?
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Bye. Don't enter these threads to stir shit up, and learn to be better.
Alter. Leute, die eine andere Hautfarbe haben als die weiße werden von den Bullen in Amerika umgebracht, andere Bullen schützen diese, die Mörder kriegen bezahlten Urlaub und sind 2 Monate später wieder im Department. Polizisten, die sich dagegen auflehnen werden gefeuert. Das ganze System ist beschissen und wenn du dir einfach mal die Zeit nimmst zu lesen, warum ACAB geschrien/geschrieben wird, wüsstet du genau, warum....
Edit: Oh. Already banned.
You'll never notice a cop just doing his job without killing anyone on the news though, so showing their solidarity can be appreciated. With caution, for sure, and it should not stop protestors from wanting more than solidarity but a major shake up of the police system instead.
Joining a march which demands justice is a sign of demand within the police, so even if nothing will change politically, at least these few higher up cops are outed as a 'other side' (for the lack of a better term right now) to their fellow officers who are on the opposing side (the racist/blue shield assholes). This at leasts lessens the effect of the one united police body which protects its officers more than citizens even if they do violent shit, because now there is a more outspoken other side.
Maybe that's naive, but this is the positive side I take out of it. Not more but also not less than a small chance for a weaker blue wall of silence.
i'd be impressed if they were doing this while members of their respective police forces were firing rubber bullets at them.
Piss weak empty gesture from the pigs.
Piss weak empty gesture from the pigs.