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Pokemons combat should take notes from FF7R
- Thread starter Cryptosporidium
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I understand where you're coming from but most people are ok with games being turn based. Think of what this would do to the (huge) competitive scene. The amount of work to get it done just right and it still be strategic as Pokemon is now, would be insane and chances are that it just wouldn't work.
They can have a separate game for that which no one would mind.
We don't need every game to be an action RPG.
It's the same reason why DQ will never go straight up real time.
They can have a separate game for that which no one would mind.
We don't need every game to be an action RPG.
It's the same reason why DQ will never go straight up real time.
This sort of idea gets posted every few months and it's always terrible.
Part of the reason Pokemon is a success is it's accessibility and optional depth and the battle system is no exception. Plus, the argument for the style set out in the opening post doesn't even sound particularly fun.
Part of the reason Pokemon is a success is it's accessibility and optional depth and the battle system is no exception. Plus, the argument for the style set out in the opening post doesn't even sound particularly fun.
The combat of the mainline Pokemon RPGs do not need to change from their turn based nature. If it's not broken, it does not need fixing.
Things like Dynamax, Z Moves, and Mega Evolutions all fit within the existing system though, they're just minor and usually optional features. Something incorporating the elements of ATB would be a complete overhaul of the combat system. Pokémon is formatted to be an accessible and introductory experience for people not typically into JRPGs, and the combat has never really been the star attraction of the series anyway. I think fundamentally changing the gameplay in this manner would be far more alienating to existing fans that it would be attractive to potential newcomers.
Pokemon's battle system is the best thing about it, and it in combination with its huge cast of Pokemon has created an actual competitive scene. They'd be absolutely stupid to move towards action combat.
There's still a ton of untapped potential with the current battle mechanics that the main games don't touch, though. Enemy trainers in the games don't have well-constructed teams. There's no synergy from Pokemon to Pokemon. There's arguably not even any synergy from move to move within a single Pokemon. They don't utilize battle items or held items in any kind of meaningful ways. The concept of setting up a Pokemon with buffs barely exists. Even the strongest trainers in the game don't seem to have any thought into having Pokemon to check the weaknesses of others on the team outside of incredibly basic examples of "oh here's a water gym leader, let's give them a Whiscash in case they have an electric type." They don't use weather or terrains. Double battles barely exist in the main games, which themselves are extremely interesting and have a ton of potential strategies. I can probably count on my fingers how many times I've battled a trainer that's swapped Pokemon instead of just watching their current Pokemon inevitably faint regardless of how bad its matchup is.
Basically the series just could use a hard mode. The battle system in these games are great but it's not utilized well in the main games.
There's still a ton of untapped potential with the current battle mechanics that the main games don't touch, though. Enemy trainers in the games don't have well-constructed teams. There's no synergy from Pokemon to Pokemon. There's arguably not even any synergy from move to move within a single Pokemon. They don't utilize battle items or held items in any kind of meaningful ways. The concept of setting up a Pokemon with buffs barely exists. Even the strongest trainers in the game don't seem to have any thought into having Pokemon to check the weaknesses of others on the team outside of incredibly basic examples of "oh here's a water gym leader, let's give them a Whiscash in case they have an electric type." They don't use weather or terrains. Double battles barely exist in the main games, which themselves are extremely interesting and have a ton of potential strategies. I can probably count on my fingers how many times I've battled a trainer that's swapped Pokemon instead of just watching their current Pokemon inevitably faint regardless of how bad its matchup is.
Basically the series just could use a hard mode. The battle system in these games are great but it's not utilized well in the main games.
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No pauses. In my description I meant itd have a meter gauge like ATB, guess this is more Xenoblade than FF7R now that I think about it
Nah. Of all the Pokemon takes, that the battle system needs to be overhauled is actually the weakest take. It's nearly perfectly optimized. Happy for spinoffs to try new stuff though. Loved Pokken.
I agree in the sense of active-time combat where status ailments are timed and moves that are stronger take more time to load in the ATB meter. That could be very interesting
I'm totally into it, I don't hate turn based combat but I am so over how Pokémon just stand there staring at each other waiting for the trainer to give them commands. But people seem to like that?
I'm not sure they need to look to FF7R for inspiration, but they should do something. Pokemon's combat has been dull as bricks for 20 years. One of the worst turn based combat systems out there, it has nothing about it that's interesting.
Much prefer something like SMT's press turn.
Oh, and the competitive scene people are talking about somehow manages to be even more dull.
Much prefer something like SMT's press turn.
Oh, and the competitive scene people are talking about somehow manages to be even more dull.
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If its not broken why do they keep adding horrid gimmicks like z moves and dynamax to make it exciting?
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This is a good counter imo, I agree it could alienate many fans
Then there would be no Pokemon transfers from older generations at all a la Gen 5 with all the work required...
Also Pokemon shouldn't be an ARPG, it should be an SRPG/TRPG.
Take the double battles and hazards/weather/terrain and ramp them up by 100 with meaningful positioning and environmental factors and multi Pokemon synergies.
Take the double battles and hazards/weather/terrain and ramp them up by 100 with meaningful positioning and environmental factors and multi Pokemon synergies.
Those are all things added to give underused/weaker pokemon some play
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Actually fuck my thread, if they actually did good AI and had these kind of changes thatd be WAY more dope.
But theyll never stop having AI do random moves..
I'm playing the original FF7 for the first time and I really don't like the real time combat at all. If Pokemon was to try a new form of combat (preferably for a spin-off) then I'd prefer something that was full on action or like a mostly-action RPG sort of thing like Nier Automata.
The hybrid Pokemon game you are looking for already exists. It's called Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch and it's actually getting a re-release this September.
One of my all-time favorite RPGs. Let the Pokemon series stick to the OG turn-based battles though. I was already pretty bummed when they dropped it from FF7R...
One of my all-time favorite RPGs. Let the Pokemon series stick to the OG turn-based battles though. I was already pretty bummed when they dropped it from FF7R...
This makes about as much sense as requesting that Magic The Gathering or Hearthstone take notes from FF7R.
This is probably how Gamefreak thinks nowadays.
"Oh you want us to do more things? Okay I guess we will do less in other areas'.
It's not dull though? It's one of the best most polished turn based systems out there and had evolved an exciting metagame
It can be as simple or as complicated as you wish
The in game ai and team comps suck, but that's about it
Final Fantasy 7R? Nah
Final Fantasy XII? Heck yes
Or any monster battler really. RTTB/Gambit gameplay is prime for monster battling.
Final Fantasy XII? Heck yes
Or any monster battler really. RTTB/Gambit gameplay is prime for monster battling.
For all the problems Pokémon has, its battle system is FAR from one of them. I don't get why people want it to change so badly.
That's exactly how I feel, for me Pokemon is closer to a competitive card game than an RPG. The turn based combat IS the game as far as I'm concerned.
People here are still championing "Pokemon needs to be an MMO" so yeah, I agree.
