I mean most of the SM story for awhile is just "nebby get in the bag, lillie acting timid, gladion being edgy, etc.
Xy did even more.
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Pokemon X/Y are better than Pokemon Sun/Moon, I said it
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Gonna second all the people saying the online and postgame training features in XY were better and everything else was worse. Moon was the most fun I've ever had with the series' campaigns, and that's due to a mix of strong character designs and writing, top notch audiovisual presentation, and strong boss battle design that saw me taking the occasional L for the first time in over a decade.
I mean X/Y disrespected. Seriously I was highly disappointed, saved up for a soulless game
It's okay to be wrong. XY was where Pokemon jumped the shark for me. I could count on one hand the things I like in that game. I was pretty ready to quit the series when SM brought me back in.
The only thing XY did better was online and while that's cool that's not what I play Pokemon for.
The only thing XY did better was online and while that's cool that's not what I play Pokemon for.
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This is ridiculous, having fewer available Pokemon is not a feature, especially when so many of those fewer Pokemon are either Ultra Beasts, or locked behind ridiculous requirements.
The only shameless people are the ones defending older third versions like Crystal or Emerald who didn't add as many things as USUM, while shitting on USUM.
I loved the DS games and didn't feel "disrespected" (lol.)
i dont even know if i could go back to play X/Y because my favorite was Greninja and hes such a fucking jobber in the anime it soured my opinion on all greninjas
Nah
I get that it was Gamefreak's first foray into 3D Pokemon but X/Y are unacceptably ugly. That also doesn't excuse the horrendous balancing that'll leave your set 10-15 levels above opposing trainers or the most bland characters in the series. SuMo ain't perfect but at least I enjoyed looking at the world, interacting with its cast and it would throw the occasional difficulty curve ball.
I get that it was Gamefreak's first foray into 3D Pokemon but X/Y are unacceptably ugly. That also doesn't excuse the horrendous balancing that'll leave your set 10-15 levels above opposing trainers or the most bland characters in the series. SuMo ain't perfect but at least I enjoyed looking at the world, interacting with its cast and it would throw the occasional difficulty curve ball.
I am uninviting you from my wedding, PT. Stay away from my family. These ideas are not welcome in my home. For shame.
X/Y has the superior PokéDex, at least.
X/Y has the superior PokéDex, at least.
Ultra Beasts are awesome.
It's Phantom Thief, everything is bad.
If all 800+ Pokémon were available in the wild and each of them had incredibly low rates, catching the one you want would be hell and the ecosystem would feel like a joke.
Same thing between XY and SM, on a smaller scale. You can't just slap everything you want in a game and go "more is better".
Disrespect is too strong, I admit, it took all I loved from the DS games and messed it up in the vain of trying something new. it felt rushed
Jobber in the anime? If it wasn't for ash's anti plot armor, he would the most OP pokemon in the anime.
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Amazing counter argument
It's too late, i already RSVP'd
Except Pokemon in XY don't have low rates, Pokemon in SuMo do.
I dont care how much Ash's suck can bring down a team with a level 200 Pikachu, you dont have a shonen battle manga screaming water type with a special unique transformation lose to a fucking fire dragon that somebody in the Pokemon company has a hard on for. Fuck everybody in that showrunners room.
I'd argue that SM had worse catch rates for a bunch of Pokémon (especially the actual new Pokémon) because the catch rates were never too low on any given route and most Pokémon just didn't appear on a ton of routes, unlike sun and moon where a few common Pokémon were fucking everywhere and everything else was ludicrously annoying to find
Welcome to the right side of history. I've tried to get through both S/M and US/UM and can't do it. There's something about them that bothers me. X/Y are great and much better than S/M.
B/W has easily the best campaign in the series imo. It's largely weaker in terms of QoL and online though (although I do miss the negotiation trading option which was a fantastic way to trade with strangers as an alternative to the standard GTS)
People are still mad about Let's Go? I really enjoyed those games. Just got done playing it for the second time.
I've been here since Day 1.
SM are MILES better than XY. Like it is not even close lmao, XY are easily some of the worst games GF has ever put out
Full agree with the OP. I will say that the X/Y story is poor, but it fades into the background and the implementation of a lot of things is just better in X/Y. Moreover, the story in S/M is better, but not good and a bit too hard to ignore. I did like team skull, oddly enough and some of the other villains were reasonably compelling, but they really didn't do much with it. Really love the part where you visit team skull's base, actually makes them one of the more logical enemy teams overall. Not happy with what they did with the team skull leader in the end though.
Sun and Moon has actual good characters that you remember, iconic moments and memorable music.
XY has nothing really. It's not bad, just fgorgettable.
XY has nothing really. It's not bad, just fgorgettable.
X/Y remain one of my favorite gens of all time. Bunch of great Pokemon got added, the Kalos region was a fun place to explore, Super Training remains a feature I sorely miss in the games, it was an easy to understand way of min/maxing that brought out the stat enthusiast in me.
Furthermore, it was saddled with the herculean task of bringing Pokemon into the 3D realm, and I thought it pulled it off brilliantly, other than a few animations looking a little wonky it was a great looking fucking game.
Furthermore, it was saddled with the herculean task of bringing Pokemon into the 3D realm, and I thought it pulled it off brilliantly, other than a few animations looking a little wonky it was a great looking fucking game.
This also sums all my major gripes with XY.
Pathetic friends, Lysandre was a joke, a "plot twist" that would even make a 5 year old ashamed. Why even bother hiring a writer, any pkmn fanfic is better than what we got. Also, I think megas were a terrible addition to the series. Oh, and let's not even start talking about gym leaders. The champion then.. hard to believe we fell so low since the amazing Cythia. The only saving grace for this God forsaken entry is the inclusion of fairy type.
Pokemon fanbase is terrible at times on Reset Era when it comes to the game.
The only thing terrible is how you're allowed to dislike any other game or even entire gens but when it comes to LGPE its the biggest crime in the history of humanity
Face it, some people don't like it. You can like it. It exists like the other games that are nothing like it also exist, and none can do nothing about it
It also happens to have a lot of faults as a game too.
Like, fuck you player that like any Pokémon post 151.
Personally, I found both X/Y and Sun/Moon to be significant downgrades in terms of story and characters compared to the DS games. You could argue that Sun/Moon are slightly better in this regard, but the way its story is presented just made me not care about it at all. The point is, neither are particularly good. Overall, though, I agree with you. Especially this last line:
It comes down to what you value in a Pokémon game. The National Dex, Pokémon selection, and overall QOL improvements in X/Y were great. The PSS was almost perfect and, frankly, I'm sick of Game Freak throwing away well received features. X/Y weren't great, but at their core they still gave me what I wanted in a Pokémon game. Sun/Moon didn't.
It comes down to what you value in a Pokémon game. The National Dex, Pokémon selection, and overall QOL improvements in X/Y were great. The PSS was almost perfect and, frankly, I'm sick of Game Freak throwing away well received features. X/Y weren't great, but at their core they still gave me what I wanted in a Pokémon game. Sun/Moon didn't.
There are players who value things like the online component and Pokémon selection above what Sun/Moon brought to the table.
Agreed completely. Not only that but the tropical setting was so damn boring in Sun and Moon, and the fact that it basically just HANDS you badges throughout the game drove me insane. The replacements for gyms were terrible too.
I'm also miffed because it irked me greatly how much the game straight up ripped off Yokai Watch after having played YW2 before Sun and Moon.
The music in X/Y is some of my favorite in the franchise as well. Especially the fight theme. Gym theme could use some work though.
I'm also miffed because it irked me greatly how much the game straight up ripped off Yokai Watch after having played YW2 before Sun and Moon.
The music in X/Y is some of my favorite in the franchise as well. Especially the fight theme. Gym theme could use some work though.
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Full discretion, I played S/M before I played X/Y and I completely disagree.
While I will warrant that X/Y had the better QoL, that's about all it had. The region felt bland, the story was practically non-existent and Team Flare was boring with Lysandre practically being Cyrus 2.0. Not to mention they had probably the worst champion in Diantha who shows up like twice the entire game and has a team that can be steamrolled pretty easily (I think I was 10 levels below her when I beat her.) The gyms were also very forgettable as well if you ask me. It wasn't all bad though. Mega evolutions are neat, although the Gen 1 pandering and the over-poweredness of them ruined them for me, Pokemon designs were cool and AZ had potential, but unfortunately nothing was done with him.
S/M are by no means perfect, but I think they are the better game. The world, while linear, doesn't feel nearly as bland. The characters have more personality and reason for existing beyond helping the MC. They tried to shake up the formula, and while I'd say I still prefer gyms, it was still pretty cool to see what a world looks like without a Pokemon league. Alolan forms are a neat idea that could be used in the future (but probably won't be.) They introduced more new Pokemon - including the Alolan forms. Z-moves are a cool nuke button that every Pokemon can use, not just fan favorites.
I guess for me it's not that S/M got more right than X/Y, it is that X/Y got more wrong and played it too safe.
While I will warrant that X/Y had the better QoL, that's about all it had. The region felt bland, the story was practically non-existent and Team Flare was boring with Lysandre practically being Cyrus 2.0. Not to mention they had probably the worst champion in Diantha who shows up like twice the entire game and has a team that can be steamrolled pretty easily (I think I was 10 levels below her when I beat her.) The gyms were also very forgettable as well if you ask me. It wasn't all bad though. Mega evolutions are neat, although the Gen 1 pandering and the over-poweredness of them ruined them for me, Pokemon designs were cool and AZ had potential, but unfortunately nothing was done with him.
S/M are by no means perfect, but I think they are the better game. The world, while linear, doesn't feel nearly as bland. The characters have more personality and reason for existing beyond helping the MC. They tried to shake up the formula, and while I'd say I still prefer gyms, it was still pretty cool to see what a world looks like without a Pokemon league. Alolan forms are a neat idea that could be used in the future (but probably won't be.) They introduced more new Pokemon - including the Alolan forms. Z-moves are a cool nuke button that every Pokemon can use, not just fan favorites.
I guess for me it's not that S/M got more right than X/Y, it is that X/Y got more wrong and played it too safe.
XY is good, but Sun and Moon is so much better. I'll never understand people on this forum that act like some of these games shot their dog lmao
They hated Aleh because he spoke the truth.
