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Well sure as long as there's people that's gonna buy every developer's spit it makes sense to make a zero effort game that makes 10 million sales.
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Pokemon Let's Go failed its objective. Is there any point in continuing the series?
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Mario Kart is too soon to tell, it might end up the best selling one at the rate it's going
Mario Party could be the second best selling, depending on when the next one is released.
Bayonetta is not even a Nintendo franchise LMAO, only one game is exclusive to Nintendo.
Yes Pokemon has groom to grow, for that it needs to attract new people, which probably didn't do with Let's go, which is the point of this discussion.
If your post was representative of the general audience, the you'd actually be proving OP wrong and saying Let's Go was a success by OP's weirdly restrictive rules, but we have no way of knowing that.
Lol at sales being underwhelming, please read again and focus this time.
I'm already greatly upset with Sword and Shield and Game Freak's recent decisions, and I also did not like some of their choices that they made in Let's Go! Pikachu and Eevee.
Give me my Johto Let's Go! games with NO FEATURES REMOVED and with the ability to capture more Pokemon from other gens and I'll be content. Oh and they better not ever take away the masterful new Legendary battle music for Ho-Oh and Lugia.
Give me my Johto Let's Go! games with NO FEATURES REMOVED and with the ability to capture more Pokemon from other gens and I'll be content. Oh and they better not ever take away the masterful new Legendary battle music for Ho-Oh and Lugia.
Great hot take
Maybe and that's a big maybe people actually enjoy let's go
Lol at zero effort
Well even if Bayo doesn't count, all the other games i mentioned are not the highest selling on the Switch, you said every franchise is selling better than ever but now maybe 2nd for Mario Party is selling better than ever? and its too soon to tell for Mario Kart but not for Let's Go? just don't make hyperbole statements to prove a point is that simple.
That seems a bit hyperbolic. If the game were of poor quality it's very doubtful it would have done as well. The game has appeal (nostalgia, Go integration, slight change to the formula and a more streamlined battle system) The game is different form the regular entries and more basic, but that is the point. Making something accessible does not mean zero effort just an emphasis on different things. It's one of the best selling games ont he console, if it were to gain bad word of mouth it would have had much shorter legs.
That is currently something that is impossible to tell though.
While I despise the very concept of the Let's Go games and voted no, the OP is making absolutely awful arguments. For one, how can you say "oh opportunity cost, Diamond and Pearl remake is projected to sell 15-16m"? Those remakes aren't out yet, you don't know how much they'll sell, and it's baseless to say they'll follow the trend when they also might take a hit from being $60 games. Not to mention the fact that you have no idea who bought Let's Go. Wait for sales on Sword and Shield before you proclaim that it didn't help grow the audience.
I really liked Let's Go.
I want a Let's Go Johto and I want it now.
I'm really not interested in Sword & Shield at this stage, I'd sooner take a new Let's Go game.
I want a Let's Go Johto and I want it now.
I'm really not interested in Sword & Shield at this stage, I'd sooner take a new Let's Go game.
switch lite has gyroscopes in it - the official specs confirm they do. Why wouldn't it work? I played handheld pokemon go with joycons attached 99% of the time no problem
There are a few dumb articles around that forget this
I'd like Lets ago refined a little. But yeah I'd like a new Johto remake, and I hope it's next year.
give me a lets go johto with the option to fight random pokemon and you'll fix my main grip with lets go. But i'm a hard sucker for gen 2 and i sadly missed out on SS/HG so i'd buy a remake day one.
Well from a quality perspective its decinitely a failure, by far the worst pokemon mainline game ever.
If anything Let's Go should've went the whole way and at least tried to change up the core game considerably. At least then they'd have a series dedicated to trying out new ideas and taking some of them back into the mainline if they were applicable. As it is it really is just way too redundant and takes away resources the mainline games desperately need
Its objective was to pull new players into the Pokemon RPG series. It is literally impossible to assess whether it has failed in its goal because we have yet to see the release of a brand new Pokemon RPG since Let's Go hit. If Sword and Shield are devastatingly huge flops, then it will have failed, certainly, and they can feel alright about scrapping the idea entirely (although they'd actually probably do the opposite). If, however, Sword and Shield blow every other new Pokemon game ever out of the water, then Let's Go will at least have the appearance of having achieved its primary purpose. Judging by the performance we've seen out of FIRE EMBLEM of all games, I'm expecting Sword and Shield to do unheard of sales.
Yeah, my boy loved it ploughed through it despite not being able to read. I'd like to see more of these for him. Also got him into Pokemon Go.
What an insane thread, OP. The game is by far the best selling "spinoff" in the series, it was launched on a platform with far, far, FAR less market penetration and a much smaller userbase than any other game in the series and still sold an astonishing amount. We don't know how many new people were drawn in because of it, but taken as its own thing it's a resounding, gigantic success.
The game isn't a spinoff and it sold inline with any other remake that was released.
if SS achieves relatively newer highs, would that even be attributed to LG? or could that be due to the Switch?. unlike Fire Emblem, Pokemon Let's Go is on the lower side of sales for remakes so far
In unit numbers, in $ value it's by far the best selling remake of them all.
Op is nuts, compare the install bases of the hardware these games were released on, if lets go did 10millions thats around 1/3 of switch's install base. No way a game that sells around that is considered failure
If the hypothetical dilemma that Nintendo is facing is "Should we continue to make Let's Go! games or go back to making standard remakes?" then those sale numbers don't really tell us much, since they imply that LGP&E are selling roughly as well as the standard remakes (or perhaps slightly/somewhat better launch aligned/relative to price point and install base).
The information we'd need to know whether Nintendo would be smart to continue with the Let's Go series is:
A. How many people bought a new Nintendo Switch just to play Let's Go.
B. How many people who bought Let's Go also bought the Poke Ball Plus controller (since that's a source of income that a remake with standard controls wouldn't provide)
C. How many people were satisfied with their purchase and would buy future entries in the series vs. how many bought it and were disappointed.
D. How much a new entry in the Let's Go series would cost. Would it be more or less expensive than a standard remake, given that both games would have to release on an HD console?
Aside from maybe point B (are peripheral sales reported anywhere?), we simply don't have access to any of this information. So the only way to know if it makes sense for the Let's Go series to continue ... is to wait to see if Nintendo announces another Let's Go game. (Circular, I know.)
The information we'd need to know whether Nintendo would be smart to continue with the Let's Go series is:
A. How many people bought a new Nintendo Switch just to play Let's Go.
B. How many people who bought Let's Go also bought the Poke Ball Plus controller (since that's a source of income that a remake with standard controls wouldn't provide)
C. How many people were satisfied with their purchase and would buy future entries in the series vs. how many bought it and were disappointed.
D. How much a new entry in the Let's Go series would cost. Would it be more or less expensive than a standard remake, given that both games would have to release on an HD console?
Aside from maybe point B (are peripheral sales reported anywhere?), we simply don't have access to any of this information. So the only way to know if it makes sense for the Let's Go series to continue ... is to wait to see if Nintendo announces another Let's Go game. (Circular, I know.)
To make such a statement you have to look at when the game actually released before even accounting for the fact that even while selling less, it doesn't mean that it failed to bring in a new audience. But let's put that aside for now.
LGFR released in 2018, less than 2 years into the Switch lifecycle with Ultra Sun and Moon releasing the year prior and Sword and Shield a year after.
HGSS released in 2010, 6 years into the DS lifecycle, with Platinum releasing the year prior and Black and White a year later.
ORAS released in 2014, 3 years into the 3DS lifecycle with X&Y releasing a year prior and Sun and Moon releasing 2 year later.
I think you can see how all of those situations are actually a bit different, and that's without taking into account install base size.
That's why I said Let's Go would "at least have the appearance" of achieving it's goals if SWSH sells gangbusters. There's no way to definitively pinpoint what brings people to buy the new games, but Let's Go would certainly be assumed to have contributed some of those numbers. On the other hand, the only way you can call Let's Go an out-an-out failure is if SWSH doesn't sell, which... yeah that's gonna be a hard no from me.
Let's Go is such a conceptual dead end that it really doesn't warrant a continuation regardless. The more they continue, the more it just becomes soulless, worse versions of the normal remakes.
How many newcomers/backcomers played the game, expanding the base audience, while how many veterans skipped on the game (as it was a costly retread of a retread)?
Maybe I'm seeing it that way because of the cases I've seen that are not representative of the whole, but I feel like it definitely attracted people that were mostly familiar with the anime but missed out on the games, while not being interesting for people already vaguely familiar with the games (like me) because of the limited scope of it.
Yes, players who stopped after Gen 1 and came back now would have strong nostalgia, but any player coming from Gen 2 or 3 would already have known an enhanced remake of the game/region, making Let's Go look less favorable for them.
The growth of the playerbase will be measured in the next mainline game more than on Let's Go's sales itself.
LGPE through 3 quarters seems to be pacing fine I think? It's pace is ahead of all other remakes 7 months in - if it continues its edge on ORAS it should settle in at ~15M lifetime in a few years.
My case is, I still see kids catching Pokemon in movie theaters. Given how less I leave home and my country isn't really so hot for games, I'd say PGO is doing alrite.
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Ah shit. My bad, I read wrong somehow.
(Thread is about Pokémon Let's Go Eevee and Let's Go Pikachu, not Pokémon Go.)
Wow, no one should put Pokemon Let's Go in the same sentence as "failed"...it was at 10.98 million as of June. It is selling incredibly well and was well received outside of the super hardcore Pokemon fans. It will and should continue.
No, there's no need. Let's go was a flop considering the reasons why it was conceived (this is evident and super obvious to those who don't have an unnerving attachment to videogames franchises)
I'd still buy Let's Go Totodile, of course.
I'd still buy Let's Go Totodile, of course.
I really hope LGPE was a one-off so I have a chance of getting a proper Gen 4 remake. Although I fear that it will be a Let's Go Sinnoh instead with forced motion control and way less features.
I'd say revenue is also important. We're seeing 50% price hike this time basically going $40 to $60.
Let's Go and Pokemon Go are closer to the pokemon game I want to play than anything else they've done. I hope they continue trying new things after the standard release this year.
Personally, my only issue with Let's Go was the control scheme. Just let me use my Pro Controller and we're good, everything else to me was pretty much fine. If they change that in the future, I'll probably get those too (assuming they make a series out of Let's Go)
Bayo 1 also only did better by combining 2 platforms. Bayo 2 Switch is very possibly the best selling singular release.
I'm not even sure why Let's Go is really considered something different from the other remakes. At the time FRLG were the oldest games in the series that didn't have remakes so Gen 1 was on deck. Yeah it dumbed down a bunch of the content and cut out a bunch of the Pokémon but that's what the mainline games have been trending towards too.
I don't believe anyone has answered this at this point. Going further: https://kotaku.com/lifetime-sales-for-the-nintendo-switch-and-nintendo-3ds-1827990818
Three months before the release of let's go the 3ds had nearly 3.5 times as many units sold. Why would then a dip of 3 million units per OP's numbers be considered a failure? That would suggest nearly a 50% attach rate. I'm open to these numbers being out of date given them not including the console sales for the black friday season, however they're more context than the OP provides which is really a disingenuous comparison.