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Pokemon is forced to an HD console and now - the developers are out of excuses
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The issue for me with this is the fact that they're using the jump to HD as an excuse to cut lots of Pokemon entirely, while simultaneously asking us to spend money on Home so we can have somewhere to store our Pokemon in the mean time, because there will NEVER be a game where someone can store all of their Pokemon in ever again if these changes are indicative of the future of Pokemon. Nobody wants to wait until gen 9, because they're not making gen 8 look exceptional in any way. Not graphically, as everyone in this thread will attest, not in terms of gameplay, considering they're cutting Mega Evolutions and Z-Moves so there are less options than previous games in the franchise, and definitely not in terms of competitive, because there are less options for that too.
I mean, is not hard because they just need to ask advice to Nintendo, or borrow some devs from there. I know that they already have people at GF but i doubt that they have much say on how the game will turn out
I've never played one Pokemon game in my life and this is the first video I've watched of one ever.
I'm left a bit stunned. How is this fun? How is this game popular? Its so basic and everything is so poor I just truly don't understand.
I'm left a bit stunned. How is this fun? How is this game popular? Its so basic and everything is so poor I just truly don't understand.
I find it really hard to believe that people can look at that cave comparison between these games and S/M and honestly claim they look the same. Definitely seems like trolling to me.
Nope, we're heading to the Alola League now.
It's not just the anime, it's TCG, toys and all the other stuff.
Maybe you should try playing it to find out? I don't think videos will capture the gameplay loop as well.
That Dragon Quest screenshot didn't just get an increase in resolution, but also features superior texture filtering, which is obviously going to make some of the textures on the floor much sharper. So it's a case of a capable PC improving the game in other areas than just resolution, since that stuff is also adjustable in the emulator settings.
Lighting is flat, as was the case with most PS2 titles, with not a single cast shadow in that screenshot. Geometry is obviously inferior, also obviously the game doesn't have any signs of bump mapping, which was also the case for most games back then, making most of geometry pretty flat. Water sufaces have no reflection or any sort of light interaction at all, also very common for the platform. Also a lot of texture tiling and stretching. Other high-res screenshots I found of Dragon Quest VIII running on PCSX2 also show visibly blurry textures across the board, with priority on the character, which does show good quality assets. The sky box is a mish-mash of blue and white, so not a lot of definition there. Obviously clouds are also not casting shadows.
So yeah, just like SwSh.
I'll give you this, though, there's some horrendous tiling in SwSh as well. Their LOD control is really bad here.
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As much hardcore gamers here don't like graphics , for me its on bar with gameplay sure it doesn't have to be jaw dropping like ps4 console games ,but at least put some effort into it.
Make it immersive as XB2, BoTW.
Those two games graphics ,atmosphere and art direction made me fall in love with the game 100 times more than I would ever thought would be possible not even exaggerating here. I never thought its possible be so immersed in portable console games especially how midcore switch spec are.
But then you get Gamefreak.......... so disappointing all im gonna say, not even gonna waste my time.
Make it immersive as XB2, BoTW.
Those two games graphics ,atmosphere and art direction made me fall in love with the game 100 times more than I would ever thought would be possible not even exaggerating here. I never thought its possible be so immersed in portable console games especially how midcore switch spec are.
But then you get Gamefreak.......... so disappointing all im gonna say, not even gonna waste my time.
Please don't mistake caring for liking. Most of us who are against this hyperbolic mess grew with Pokémon and know for a fact that pokémon games were never lookers nor technically advanced, so we don't particularly care about graphics in pokémon games.
Its silly because its not reality, we remember being wowed by FF XII and Rogue Galaxy at the time because the marketing was full of direct feed in-engine screenshots from PC builds which was NOT how the games ACTUALLY looked like when you played them ... but thats what people remember, nostalgia is powerful. Hell, all these 3DS shots are doctored marketing shots, not in-game shots, but people present them as fact.
PCSX2 shot of Rogue Galaxy 2, so its been upressed
One of the best looking shots of SnS
I know what the differences are, and they are substantial. Real time shading, water shaders, reflections, REAL non faked draw distance, much higher res native textures, vastly more efficient LODs, etc, etc. 2 generations worth of upgrades
but it also, yannow, kinda looks the same
i gotta say seeing people finally criticizing the shit out of GF instead of just sitting there and eating up whatever these multi million corporatives shits makes me smile
it's painfully clear we will never get the true evolution this series deserves at the helm of GF, Nintendo need a more qualified developer for the job, i think Pokemon as an IP deserves way better
it's painfully clear we will never get the true evolution this series deserves at the helm of GF, Nintendo need a more qualified developer for the job, i think Pokemon as an IP deserves way better
it's a shame too as the anime suffers for it just as much as the games do. The ending arc is pretty much always rushed to all hell so they can get out of there and do the next region.
I know ,but you quoted the one sentence that talks about how hardcore gamers don't care for graphics << games in general. Then I talked about other games and compared them to pokemon.
I think the trees are a bit unfortunate but I'm OK with how the game looks overall. I still don't love the quasi-open world concept the game has, though.
I think most hardcore gamers like pretty graphics. They just take a serious backseat to gameplay. I'd still take a prettier version of the same game.
Also pokemon games before had excuses being on really weak portable and actually did surprisingly pretty well on 3ds specs, but switch being able able handle games like BoTW then give us a game looks like slightly upgraded 3ds game ? Yeah lets not be the fans that give a multi billionaire cooperate the greenlight to make a mainline series graphics lowest priority. Fans should have actually raged the moment they revealed gen 8 with those graphics imo.
I actually do not give a single shit about the flat ground texture or whatever, and I don't want a Pokemon game that makes the creatures look like they do in the Detective Pikachu movie or anything close to that. I like the style. I just wish they'd make the gameplay a little more full-featured.
There's impressive looking games in every single console Pokémon has been on, and guess what, Pokémon is not one of them and has never been. Why should Ruby/Sapphire look like technicolor Gold/Silver when the gba can put fully 3D graphics on display for example?
This outrage is pointless, and is also piggybacking the pokedex outrage. Pokémon has never been a graphically intensive series, and that's not going to change on Switch
I didn't know jessie from pokemon moonlit as digital foundry.
But yeah, this is kind of what I mean. Like. Yes. The new game on the modern console uses modern lighting and reflection techniques. It does. Still looks bad and pretty comparable.
I think there's a level of abstraction that some are really uncomfortable with when people say it looks like a 3DS/upscaled PS2 game. In a very literal, 100% technical way, yea, i dont think you could get sword and shield running on a PS2.
But boy does it have PS2 vibes.
and the actual gameplay would have very little issue on a PS2, which is a frequent complaint as well. BOTW both looks better than this, and does things this game isn't even trying in terms of interacting with the environment/world. So we get a game that looks bad and also doesn't have anything gameplay wise to justify it.
To be fair, that's what people said about gen 8 when they were disappointed with Let's Go. Hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it. (The next bit is not directed to you)
My expectations for this gen was what we got, graphically talking. I was sad that it was what I was expecting, even more with those wild area Pokemon animations, but, gameplay wise, they went above. They added things from my long time wishlist, which made this game a no brainer for me.
That said, this was before they announce the lack of Pokemons. For clarification, I will still buy the game, and my excitement wasn't diminished (I didn't play most entries, and I never used Pokemon Bank), but... what am I getting for it? Their explanations were graphical things, and that's not the most compelling part of this game. The graphical and animation jumps, from both the world and Pokemons, doesn't look like a great return value from cutting Pokemons.
I'll not paint myself as a Pokemon or game developer specialist, but, as a consumer, I think they are failing to show the return value from cutting these Pokemons. And since they said it will be the direction that future entries will take, I don't have hope this will be patched in the future.
Have you played pokemon XD and Colosseum on GC? They were jaw dropping the least at the time.
And no its not pointless, its actually valid rage and there should be no excuse for them to make it looks like this, in fact its more valid than a few freaking mons off the list.
The big problem is that before now you could charge like $30 for a single game and it would be for exactly one person with one save file. Every copy of the game is a $30 copy. Due to how the Switch does account services, a single copy of the game can be shared with the whole family, so I'm saving money getting a single $60 copy rather than 2-3 $30 copies (one for me, one for the wife, one for the stepson). So there's a certain irony to me in the idea that the game should look better if they're charging $60 for it (which, honestly, is an argument I'm sympathetic to on some level even if I disagree vehemently that GF should, as suggested in the OP, take cues from Monolith Soft on how the game should look), as it's actually the cheapest the series has been for quite some time.
Pokémon games aren't "bad looking", they're just not amazing looking.
Have you played ANYTHING ELSE on GameCube? Because I find it hard to think of less impressive games than Colosseum and XD, with Pokémon models and animations imported from the N64 Stadium games AND new pokémon modeled in the same fashion. The rest of the world wasn't better, barely N64esque with better textures and decent resolution.
Gen 2, Gen 5 and Gen 7 absolutely were among the best looking games on their systems. It just so happens they were all the second generations on the same hardware because the devs had time to get experienced with it.
That's what I used to say, and for my expectations they absolutely delivered. They made the world bigger and put the actual Pokémon in it on top of the better graphics, which all is a huge leap over the 3DS games. I understand it's still not as good as the Switch could handle but it doesn't mean it's bad.
Not true.. also still better looking than sword and shield 15+ years later.
Not in any of the objective sense of the word.
Subjectively, that's up to you.
At this point I wouldn't be mad if they just continued with the B/W style with improvements. Ever since they transitioned into 3D they've been struggling.
Those graphics look like a gamecube game.
May I recommend you an optometrist?
We can go in circles with this, but the graphics could be bad just because they're bad. I just don't understand all the hand-wringing over this. It's not a stretch to say that the Pokemon Sword and Shield graphics are bad.
This back and forth about whether or not it looks like a 3DS, PS2 or WonderSwan game is so pointless... The fact of the matter is that the game looks outdated compared to other games of this caliber and has very simplistic animation. Not really a big issue in and of itself, in fact, people were actually largely ok with it when the game was revealed. Then they announced that content would be cut due to (according to them), prioritization of graphics and animations, which are nowhere to be seen.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still very excited for Sw/Sh, and I'm going to get it on day 1. But it does leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I think the criticism is absolutely warranted, especially with the explanations they have given, but I have hope that they will pull themselves up after this backlash and deliver with the next game. They have the resources to do it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still very excited for Sw/Sh, and I'm going to get it on day 1. But it does leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I think the criticism is absolutely warranted, especially with the explanations they have given, but I have hope that they will pull themselves up after this backlash and deliver with the next game. They have the resources to do it.
You can say you think they're bad just stop trying to say it as a fact, because obviously people don't agree.
I was worried Nintendo would get to Switch and then all the same graphics discussions that become tiresome for every other upcoming game/AAA release would overflow in Nintendo topics and it turns out it was unavoidable.
Ignoring that graphics/aesthetics being bad can sometimes be left to personal taste and such, Nintendo will never be chasing the graphics trophy, so anyone expecting it is in for a bad time.
Nintendo isn't doing the Sony/EA thing of going "You need 4K to enjoy this" or bragging about visual fidelity, so their "shortcomings" don't really annoy me. When they make a cool looking game like AStral Chain I'm super pleased, and Xenoblade 2 was super ambitious for a first year title, but I'll literally never come to Nintendo (or better yet, Gamefreak) for "graphics."
When a game like Andromeda has its first trailer saying "You need a 4K monitor to truly take in all THESE graphics" and then you get my face is tired that's when I call it out and laugh.
Then again I noticed every Pokemon thread has devolved into almost EA level dev shitting lately, so maybe I'm in the minority.
Ignoring that graphics/aesthetics being bad can sometimes be left to personal taste and such, Nintendo will never be chasing the graphics trophy, so anyone expecting it is in for a bad time.
Nintendo isn't doing the Sony/EA thing of going "You need 4K to enjoy this" or bragging about visual fidelity, so their "shortcomings" don't really annoy me. When they make a cool looking game like AStral Chain I'm super pleased, and Xenoblade 2 was super ambitious for a first year title, but I'll literally never come to Nintendo (or better yet, Gamefreak) for "graphics."
When a game like Andromeda has its first trailer saying "You need a 4K monitor to truly take in all THESE graphics" and then you get my face is tired that's when I call it out and laugh.
Then again I noticed every Pokemon thread has devolved into almost EA level dev shitting lately, so maybe I'm in the minority.
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Idk bout u but this very old game texture is still way more appealing than sword shield
May I recommend you an optometrist?
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