Of course my opinion, as yours, is based on what we have seen. I'm not judging the final game, as you, but what has been shown.
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Pokemon is forced to an HD console and now - the developers are out of excuses
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Of course my opinion, as yours, is based on what we have seen. I'm not judging the final game, as you, but what has been shown.
They are likely investing a significant amount more money developing this compared to handheld still despite all the memes about n64 trees. Might be part of why they were reluctant to work on Switch at first.
The world would be a very, very different place if lucrative products had an equivalent quality increase, and I bet the majority of people would be doing exactly what GF are doing in their shoes.
They have not shown anything in regards to pacing or features or options. That's a completely arbitrary thing to think and just shows how disingenuous the conversation around these games is.
It's not cheap sure. But it's not Uncharted 4 expensive which is a game that sells a similar amount of units to a Pokémon game.
Sun and Moon have sold 16 million units.
Uncharted series sales pass 41 million
Naughty Dog has announced the Uncharted franchise has sold well over 40 million units to date.The milestone was reveale…
www.gamesindustry.biz
This article seems toindicate that Uncharted sold about 13.7 million.
Are you going to tell me that the Pokémon games cost as much to make as Uncharted?
Not even BOTW is as expensive as Uncharted 4. BOTW needed to sell 2m copies to break even, I guess Nintendo cheapened out to make it huh?
Pacing = pacing of the battle system.
Featurers = what has been shown and what will not be in the game for sure.
Jeez, everyone is discussing what has been shown, I thought it was implied that my opinion, as yours, is based on trailers and E3 demo.
This game has been in development for at least 3 years. They could delay it but then you have the anime that's close to wrapping up
Boy, it's one thing to criticize graphics shown in the trailers, it's a whole different thing to say the game has a pacing and feature issue. You're criticizing it for something that is obvious about every game: they're not going to show everything on their first big reveal.
Yes, though pretty much every Pokemon game is a good starting point considering how welcome they are to beginners.
I don't get the "it's slow" criticism when it has the fastest battles of any of the 3D Pokémon games.
Why are you being disingenuous?
Businesses do projects based on projected return on investment.
The Pokémon games are lower budget than other franchises that sell a similar amount of copies.
So comparatively to the industry it's a lower investment for a high return.
2million copies is a lot.
Assuming that Nintendo gets $40 per copy.
That's $80mil which seems like a similar budget to Uncharted.
I'm baffled by the apologists. This if like Toyota released a new car that barely made it to 100k miles before the wheels fall off and people would be like "Give them a break, it's a new model". This is the highest grossing gaming franchise of all time, and the newest entry makes Knack look like a tour-de-force (a freaking 2013 low budget launch game).
You have zero idea about the budget of Pokémon or Uncharted. You're the one being disingenuous.
As a relapsed player I would say wait for the next one after this(possibly only 1 year away) for a better experience. Maybe this won't matter given you won't have preconceptions but I seriously regretted trying to get in with X/Y instead of (Ultra)Sun/(Ultra)Moon. Feel like that would have been a much nicer and refined reentry point.
That is if you plan on playing mostly solo if you have a community behind you to be part of while playing go for it cause in a way all the games are made to be starting points. That's why the franchise has retained strong sales cause new people always start with any new game.
Vladmir Putin is a lot better than Boris Yeltsin but that's because he's slightly less shit at his job lmao.
This, in my humble opinion, just shows how much GF is lagging behind in terms of development on modern consoles.
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Battles were shown in the demo and the pacing, in my humble opinion, was to slow. Pacing was slow in 3DS entries too while DS games were perfect in this. Features... Whathas been shown, TO ME, looks unappealing and uninteresting; other new features that will have small to zero impact on MY enjoyment of the game like Z-moves were in Sun/Moon, Megaevo were in X/Y and so on and so forth.
The battles aren't slow by any stretch. No need to shitpost thanks.
Why? The subject is scope, not resolution. The environments didn't get any larger when they ported it.
You are betting on Pokémon? Who are you and whatyearisit.gif?
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I'm disappointed in the cut roster and the archaic setup of battle animations but that's it...Gamefreak is clearly improving the game from Pokemon Go...
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Lol no.
First battle against bunnymon takes 11 seconds to kick off.
Final Fantasy 7, PS1 (1997)? 10 seconds
This is a joke at this point. I shit post because I know me saying anything makes little to no difference to the fanbase.
I don't even like / follow Pokémon, but this will not be the decline, haha. Graphics has never been (and never will be) a selling point or point of interest for this franchise.
The lengthy intros are unfortunate for people like myself who don't like that direction, but that's a deliberate choice and not much to do with quality or HD development.
Game footage is not final?
Though with games like this you do need to show everything? How would you do it?
Not with those textures
(I love BOTW but man, them textures)
A lot of those posts seem to boil down to complaining about features being removed which is super common for franchises. I'm not hunting for food in MGSV nor am I playing blitzball in Final Fantasy XII. On one hand people criticize Ubisoft games for feeling like bloated collectathons but on the other people complain when Game Freak try to prevent this.
A lot of those complaints also seem to come down to graphics which is a bone people have to pick specifically for this game and not other games which also have simple graphics like Animal Crossing. It seems really unfair this game gets singled out for this.
I still don't understand why the battle can't start in the same place where you encounter the Pokémon and you need to change game screen. It slows down everything.
Pokémon needs to account for the trainer to send out a Pokémon unlike other games, and seriously you're complaining about a 1 second difference?
I don't know why someone with a FF15 avatar is coming into Pokémon threads to complain about quality, now that's irony.
I'm unsure if I made this point in this thread specifically, and I do confess that I don't know much about game design, but please don't be so hard on Game Freak. I, personally, will not be buying Sword and Shield because I'm fed up with the lack of quality, but I think there's actually a reasonable explanation.
I Googled the amount of staff Game Freak has, and they only have 143 staff members. Furthermore, they've divided themselves up a little. Between Let's Go, Town, and Sword & Shield, I'm pretty sure that a very small amount of those 143 staff members have actually worked on Sword & Shield. What's worse is, despite the fact that the games don't seem to be the most profitable aspect of the Pokemon franchise, they are the centerpoint of the canon. The anime, the TCG, the manga adaptations and what not all rely on the games. Because of this, Game Freak has no choice but to release Sword and Shield at this point in time.
Now, personally, even though I'm not going to get Sword and Shield, I have two personal ideas for what Game Freak should do in order to rectify a controversy like this:
I Googled the amount of staff Game Freak has, and they only have 143 staff members. Furthermore, they've divided themselves up a little. Between Let's Go, Town, and Sword & Shield, I'm pretty sure that a very small amount of those 143 staff members have actually worked on Sword & Shield. What's worse is, despite the fact that the games don't seem to be the most profitable aspect of the Pokemon franchise, they are the centerpoint of the canon. The anime, the TCG, the manga adaptations and what not all rely on the games. Because of this, Game Freak has no choice but to release Sword and Shield at this point in time.
Now, personally, even though I'm not going to get Sword and Shield, I have two personal ideas for what Game Freak should do in order to rectify a controversy like this:
- Enlist the help of Creatures Inc. again - I have checked Google, and I looked up Creatures Inc., who usually co-develops significant entries in the Pokemon series. According to the Wikipedia article, they didn't work on Sword and Shield. However, they did make the models for X and Y. So, assuming that Wikipedia is correct, Creatures Inc. had no part in working on Sword and Shield, leaving Game Freak to have no choice but to redo everything on their own. Creatures Inc. also made the models for Pokemon Go and Pokken Tournament, but not Sun and Moon. Let's hope for the best that they return to work on the next Pokemon game, because Game Freak needs that help.
- Stop with the annual release cycle - Despite the point I mentioned earlier, with the Pokemon games being the crux of the canon, Game Freak will have breathing room, or at least they SHOULD. They do annual releases, which I don't think is smart at all. Generation 4 had Diamond/Pearl, Platinum, and Heart Gold/Soul Silver released with pretty decent gaps between each other. They could do a repeat of that. 3DS was a bit more rapid fire. It feels like the games came a lot quicker in that era. I'm going to hope for the best and assume that Game Freak will do a wide gap between the remake of Diamond and Pearl, the next Let's Go game, the updated version of Sword/Shield, whatever the next mainline Pokemon is, they should give themselves a lot more time to work on it now.
You claimed the game lacked features. It's a statement that does not mean "I don't care for what's being shown", which is what you're saying only now.
Of course people would confront you about that, because it's a statement you can't make yet.
Even then, a game like persona 5 does transitions as well and the battle starts much, much faster.
Because the game has to load the different Pokémon and animations. To do otherwise it'd need to keep all the Pokémon and animations in its buffer at all times
Things change during the course of development, at any stage of it. Saying that "This should have been dealt with years in advance" when it comes to staffing is incredible hyperbole and almost entirely impossible. With regards to the HD art, yes they probably did know it was coming and started prepping for it. Let's Go looked nice and was clearly laying the ground work for it. Even the best laid plans get changed, and in games the best laid plans will get changed because ~things happen~ both internally and externally.
Without knowing what the actual budget is, nor the actual scope of the game, how are we to judge? Pokemon is more than its mainline games and, critically, people posting on this forum are not the main target for it. Pokemon is a children's media franchise and they're the ones that will be catered to first and foremost. The games look nice, their art direction is great, they'll absolutely make their target demo happy, and anyone who is claiming that they're not a step up form the 3DS games is being untruthful. You might not like what they're doing, but it's not for you.
Does it suck that they're reducing the Pokedex? Yeah, a bit, and their current weird anti-DLC of any kind policies mean that they'll not add on to the game significantly post release to help that. Does it ACTUALLY matter all that much? We don't know. Hopefully it won't lead to some money grabbing bullshit
But ya know, there will no doubt be something
Yes, it lacks features from previous games, it was announced during Treehouse. Also, all Pokémon entries lack features from previous one which is something I don't like. I prefer them to expand on existing features and to cut unnecessary gameplay gimmicks.
Indeed. I was thinking something like DQXI.
That kind of turn based style is still a thing with games like persona like already mentioned. A lot snappier though.
The level of unreasonableness in this thread tells me that it's time to ignore the thread
That animation is unnecessary tbh. I dont need to see the full throw animation for the 300th time if its just a random battle. And if its an animation thats going to be shown a lot they shouldve just made it faster.
I think the poster means akin to Dragon Quest XI, which places the battles in the current environment you are in with the same black fade-out instead of a separate environment just for battling.
The reality is that the fixed camera control routes of the majority of the game means the environments have been curated for a specific camera angle and placing the battles in there would be unrealistic because they can't account for every angle.
Instead we get standard environments with 2D images in the background.
And probably also because you can have a Wailord in your team everywhere so they can't design every area of the game around it.
That's fair. It doesn't mean the game lacks features altogether, though, which is what I got from your first post. I understand what you mean now.
It's not true...? Or at least it's something a team like GF should be to perfectly handle.
Look at DQXI. Or Ni no Kuni. Or the new Yo-kai Watch.
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