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Pokemon is forced to an HD console and now - the developers are out of excuses
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Wasn't that made by tecmo and not Nintendo though? Would that still count as a Nintendo game?
You still can play Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, SSMBU, Mario Party, MM2, Yoshi Crafted World, Monster Hunter GU, Overcooked, Cuphead, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, etc. with friends, in the Switch, using just a console and a copy of the game in most cases.
How would one complete version of the game stop making friends want to play together? Am I to believe that a few dumb differences between the two versions is somehow the only thing making people want to play pokemon together? Despite there being freaking hundreds of games that are social in nature that don't need two versions to make friends play together?
This is not specifically targeted at you. But seriously, sometimes when I read people who adamantly defends pokemon games from this sort of criticism while talking about the social aspects, I feel like I'm talking to people out of time that aren't aware that people have wifi
This doesnt make sense. Of course some one who wants to play Pokemon will buy the game, thats how it works, you want to play a game, you buy it, that is not inflating sales, thats just buying a game.
By your logic the sales of Call of duty are inflated because a lot of people want to play but cant play on other people copies.
I almost feel like that was more them going we don't want to change established characters without actually saying that.
From the treehouse presentation, it sounded like even all the Kanto Pokémon aren't guaranteed to be in the game, even though all the models were made for Switch in Let's Go. That's a big wtf
I think Nintendo treats some IPs differently than others when it comes to visuals. Like, Zelda, Smash Brothers,and Mario generally look pretty good whereas they don't seem to put that much focus on visuals when it comes to stuff like Animal Crossing or Pokemon.
How can I not take things personal, mods, when I am triggered by such statements.
Serenity now....serenity now...
Exactly why I was disappointed when I saw the original reveal. It's more of the same with slight improvements. I thought oh okay, they're releasing Let's Go to bide more time for their big console entry. It's pretty disappointing if this is the best they can do. The Switch is more capable than that.
they released let's go to feed the fandom who where waiting for SwSh to be released lol
Game Freak, Creatures, and Nintendo all own 1/3 of the IP while Nintendo own a undisclosed amount of Creatures while also owning the trademarks to the games and Pokemon.
The social excuse is a really poor and outdated one anyway. If they really wanted Pokémon to encourage trading they would be lightly randomized. The region's rodent and bird could be different for everyone (plus the new rodent/bird always fixed so everyone experiences the new monsters), wild encounter tables randomized, etc. The two-version stuff is just a legacy thing that's only accepted because we're used to it.
And you can do that with Pokemon too, the only difference is that your friends will have different Pokemon that can give you in exchange for Pokemon that you have and they dont.
I mean a cant help if you think its dumb, I personally think that its not dumb, and definetely not a negative.
There are legit issues within GF, but this is not one of them.
No comment on the last one sice I haven't played it but WTF at Bloodborne not looking great. Even Persona 5 and Breath of the Wild are really pleasant to look at.
It can't be done. Pokémon is equally owned by Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures Inc.
I'm bummed by all this, but yet I'm already sick of these threads
The AC date had absolutely 0% influence on stock price. Every company's stock price dips after E3 almost every year regardless of what they show. Nintendo's dip this year was a little bit smaller than normal
I guess I was wrong for borrowing games from friends and creating our own files because kids don't have their own money.
Those graphics aren't bad at all? BOTW and Xenoblade 2 aren't going to look like RDR2 because they are games for a less powerful console. BOTW was even a WiiU game yet still look impressive. And Persona 5 is the best looking cell shading game of the generation. Bloodborne is already an old game, it can be compared with current games.
Gorgeous. Was XBX made by a different team to XB2?Xenoblade 2 is a bad comparison OP, that game struggles a LoT to run on switch, and looks poo poo at times too. But Monolithsoft had to rush the game out/ their team was crippled due to Botw development
Yeah man I want the port to happen one day, also I keep dreaming of what the XCX team can showcase on the Switch cause again XcX on Wii u was fucking amaaaaazing looking
More XCX porn
It won't go all wrong.
But you can bet your ass Gamefreak is sweating bullets. This is the first time they face such a backlash. And they have backtracked for much much less despite the games always selling
I mean, Pokemon Sword and Shield is developed by Gamefreak, not Nintendo.
Are you sure you didn't mean Dark Souls 2 instead of Bloodborne?
I mean, Pokemon Sword and Shield is developed by Gamefreak, not Nintendo.
Are you sure you didn't mean Dark Souls 2 instead of Bloodborne?
Now that's an OoT ass tree
That wasnt your comment, you said that a brother wanting to play Pokemon has to buy Pokemon and that inflated sales.
Its ridiculous.
Since this debacle has started I have never been more annoyed at the asinine rule Resetera has of not calling a developer lazy.
If we aren't allowed to call Game Freak lazy, then we can definitely call them poorly managed, with a clear out of touch idea of what people expect in their AAA $60, major titles.
If we aren't allowed to call Game Freak lazy, then we can definitely call them poorly managed, with a clear out of touch idea of what people expect in their AAA $60, major titles.
If my brother wanted to play Ocarina of Time he just started another save file. That was the user's point.
These games have really good art styles that carry the visuals, which I enjoy personally but if we are talking about HD consoles AAA games they are not lookers graphically. I mean Persona 5 looks like it runs on a ps3, same goes for BOTW ;)
Two words. Save files.
Are you fucking joking me? It's because Persona 5 literally does run on a PS3.
I mean, im excited for this because it will be my first pokemon game but...what the hell is this draw distance??
Even botw on the wii u never had something similar. It really is disappoiting
Oh I get it now. Yeah that makes more sense.
Still ridiculous though. Pokemon didnt sell 30 million+ just because brothers all over the world couldnt play in the same file as their brothers.
I just want the ability to transfer any Pokemon I want from Home to Sw/Sh. That's it. All I want. Graphics or whatever can look like how it is now and I'd be fine as long as I could at least get that.
But I can't even get that and Game Freak can't even promise that they'll add the rest via patches.
I wouldn't even care that we'd go back to a release every two or three years if it meant that more work could be done on the Pokemon series.
But I can't even get that and Game Freak can't even promise that they'll add the rest via patches.
I wouldn't even care that we'd go back to a release every two or three years if it meant that more work could be done on the Pokemon series.
That's because Persona 5 is a PS3 game and BOTW is a Wii U/Switch game.... That's the power level.
Save files? Also if you have a friend with regular copy of SM you can't give them any of the new UB.
Agreed. It might be responsible for some sales but surely not a reasonable %
There's a rule against that because it's virtually impossible for a game developer to be lazy in the industry as it is now. Game development is generally a ridiculous time and effort no matter the final product.
Call developers poorly managed, misguided, out of touch, incompetent. But calling them lazy shows ignorance for the actual process of game development and what it takes.
Yeah. And it helps tremendously seeing as this the only forum I know where devs publically participate in discussions/conversation that's not PR.
Yeah, already noted about the save files.
What those the UB have to do with inflated sales ?
So you were trolling or you didn't know about the Persona 5 and BOTW thing and now you are trying to pass it as a joke?
I've seen this mentioned for a while now and I'm not sure anyone would want this to happen honestly. Does anyone know who actually owns the library of 3D models for each Pokemon? Cause if it's gamefreak then whoever gets Pokemon after them would have to make their own models. And that's not happening.
I'm not going to compare Pokemon to other games like Xenoblade Chronicles 2, or Zelda BotW or even Witcher III now that it's coming to switch, but just to give a little bit of perspective lets compare it to a similar series.
Yo-Kai Watch 3:
-Has 752 Yo-Kai with their own models
-All have voice acting with at least 6 lines
-All have animations for: idle, physical attack, magic attack, possession, a unique super move, charging up the super move, slacking off, taking damage, death, game over, 5 customizable victory animations, walking and running, and more.
-All have their own personality and written dialogue.
-All Yo-Kai's super move animations have full 3D camera programming and name graphics, with many featuring fully modeled 3D background setpieces.
-With every game, some past Yo-Kai's super move animations are visually updated and enhanced (examples being Venoct and Blizzaria)
-Some Yo-Kai like Venoct get entirely new models
-Don't forget about the Boss Yo-Kai whom also have their own models and most of the animations I listed above
-Made on a much weaker system (the 3DS)
-Made on a much lower budget
The developers of Yo-Kai Watch, Level-5 are miles below GameFreak in cash, but they still have over double the staff that GameFreak does. It's the reason they are able to work on more than Yo-Kai Watch, like Professor Layton, Ni No Kuni and Inazuma Eleven. Pokemon is GameFreak's most important IP, and you are telling me they couldn't hire more staff or even outsource some work to make something with the quality and production that is expected of a first party Nintendo Switch game.
The best part is that Yo-Kai Watch doesn't even need a transfer system. Every single Yo-Kai is obtainable in each game without the need for transferring. They all have unique locations they are found in. GameFreak has literally no excuse. They can just hire more staff and expand but simply refuse to do it, I guess they took the saying "If it's not broken don't fix it" to the extreme.
Yo-Kai Watch 3:
-Has 752 Yo-Kai with their own models
-All have voice acting with at least 6 lines
-All have animations for: idle, physical attack, magic attack, possession, a unique super move, charging up the super move, slacking off, taking damage, death, game over, 5 customizable victory animations, walking and running, and more.
-All have their own personality and written dialogue.
-All Yo-Kai's super move animations have full 3D camera programming and name graphics, with many featuring fully modeled 3D background setpieces.
-With every game, some past Yo-Kai's super move animations are visually updated and enhanced (examples being Venoct and Blizzaria)
-Some Yo-Kai like Venoct get entirely new models
-Don't forget about the Boss Yo-Kai whom also have their own models and most of the animations I listed above
-Made on a much weaker system (the 3DS)
-Made on a much lower budget
The developers of Yo-Kai Watch, Level-5 are miles below GameFreak in cash, but they still have over double the staff that GameFreak does. It's the reason they are able to work on more than Yo-Kai Watch, like Professor Layton, Ni No Kuni and Inazuma Eleven. Pokemon is GameFreak's most important IP, and you are telling me they couldn't hire more staff or even outsource some work to make something with the quality and production that is expected of a first party Nintendo Switch game.
The best part is that Yo-Kai Watch doesn't even need a transfer system. Every single Yo-Kai is obtainable in each game without the need for transferring. They all have unique locations they are found in. GameFreak has literally no excuse. They can just hire more staff and expand but simply refuse to do it, I guess they took the saying "If it's not broken don't fix it" to the extreme.
Yep it's embarrasing how much they've held this franchise back. They've basically just avoided developing for home consoles and now that they have to they're not up to scratch.
I just don't understand this whole situation. I'm sureness it's been explained many times but I just can't understand why you would basically give up control over your single biggest asset.
I just don't understand this whole situation. I'm sureness it's been explained many times but I just can't understand why you would basically give up control over your single biggest asset.
Here's how the Switch instalment is going to look, for people like me who didn't see it yet:
I should get into Yokai Watch
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