So we are not allowed to respond with anything other than agreeing and we can't ignore either? Nice post.
Post something that can be seen without a microscope please.
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Pokemon is forced to an HD console and now - the developers are out of excuses
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So we are not allowed to respond with anything other than agreeing and we can't ignore either? Nice post.
Post something that can be seen without a microscope please.
Torna the Golden Country looks and performs better visually compared to XBC2
Holy shit I slept on this and now I need to get it.
Era has always been vocal with complaints on how GF handles Pokemon.
Even just looking at the character models I don't see how you can think this looks like Sword and Shield at a lower res.A higher res version of this:
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Yeah, I'll stand by that.
Its like the Yukes formula but only tenfold. The actual quality of these games don't matter because people keep buying them. No matter what.
Why do people say that things like uprezzed 3DS games as if it's not possible to see those?
Sword and Shield look nothing like that.
Sword and Shield look nothing like that.
No. People were pretty hyped for the game before the Dex news broke. Now it's just years and years of being frustrated with Game Freak being materialized in ResetEra Thread form
At this point Pokemon has a well defined formula, shouldn't be hard to replicate.
Nintendo should give a 3rd party the opportunity to make a Pokemon mainline game and see how they do (reception+sales)
Nintendo should give a 3rd party the opportunity to make a Pokemon mainline game and see how they do (reception+sales)
Is Pokemon getting to that wresting game status where they realize people will buy it anyway regardless of changes or improvements?
I think there are legitimate complains about sword and shield but also I really wish people would stop with the "Game Freak is lazy" argument
Game Freak is a small studio that has to make a new game every single year. They are not lazy, they're being stretched thin. And yes, I agree this should be addressed. But calling them lazy is just shitty.
Game Freak is a small studio that has to make a new game every single year. They are not lazy, they're being stretched thin. And yes, I agree this should be addressed. But calling them lazy is just shitty.
Maybe they like the games, crazy idea, I know, but is a possibility.
Era was hard on it before the Dex thing.
The Dex just gave the wider fanbase a reason to turn on the game. Like, if they're giving up the philosophy of the series for 'graphical enhancements' - it should be better than this.
You are giving the game industry a lot more organizational credit than it deserves, haha. The fact that these models can be made to gigantic screen filling sizes implies some reworking got done.
Regardless, all the new pokemon had to be made, which are a large amount. Re: legacy pokemon, If you think all they had to do was grab the Squirtle prefab from X and throw it into the new game on a new home console with a new engine with a new lighting and rendering system and expect it to work hunky dory thats just not a realistic scenario. I definitely believe you when it comes to games like Sun and Moon though. They do benefit from having access to all their previous work and Im sure things here and there get reused (library of high res textures etc) but the jump from portable to home console means everything gets a pass or a redo.
For instance, in our game we still have to make a ton of things from scratch. Youd think theres a lot of work available but for many reasons its not really usable so we have to start over.
Nah, general sentiment was positive to very positive after the pre-E3 Direct. Game Freak invited this huge negativity with their reasoning for removing half the Pokémon though. None of the returns for that decision are as of yet to be seen and they could have known people would be nitpicking every single detail after such a decision.
I think it's hard not to feel underwhelmed. I remember kids saying "Could you imagine a full console Pokemon game?!" back when I was like 9 years old, so obviously it's a little disappointing that Sword and Shield seems so undercooked when people have been imagining what this game would be like for 20+ years. That said, I'm willing to reserve final judgment until the game is released. Adding Pokemon back in through free updates seems entirely possible, and they have several months to improve the visual fidelity of Sword & Shield before release. Some people are reacting as if the game has been released and it's set in stone when there're still like 120 days of development left.
No. The problem is that they cut Pokemon with the "graphics and animations" excuse, when:
1. XY and SM had bad performance because they supposedly did all the Pokemon models in HD, to "future proof" them.
2. Graphics aren't wonderful and animations are bad, Pokemon don't ever touch each other battling.
3. Pokemon Home was announced, will be great to pay a subscription to keep your Pokemon stucked a mobile app.
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I've reached the point where I can't tell honest critique of SwSh from shitposting.A higher res version of this:
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Yeah, I'll stand by that.
edit: and I'm not just going by screenshots. I played the game first hand at E3. It was SUPER unimpressive.
honestly I don't really care about the graphics, people like to say devs should focus more on the gameplay instead of indulging in a graphics arms race and that's my philosophy. Deadly Premonition is one of my favorite games ever and that game looks like utter dogshit.
Yeah yeah Pokemon is a massive property so there's no excuse for not giving it all the budget and manpower and I agree with that but I just still don't care about the graphics.
Now that said I do care about this excuse about snapping Pokemon from existence in order to insure greater quality when so far there's no evidence of this "quality". If cutting the pokedex allowed them to put in Pokemon Stadium level animations? Ok. I wouldn't think that's a good trade off at all but at least it's something tangible. If the graphics were better or at the very least comparable to its peers in the genre, great, again not a good trade off IMO but it would have been something. So yeah while I don't personally care about the graphics I agree with the sentiment that GF is being "exposed" so far. Well I always felt this way about them but finally it seems it took going all Thanos on pokemon for others to see it.
Yeah yeah Pokemon is a massive property so there's no excuse for not giving it all the budget and manpower and I agree with that but I just still don't care about the graphics.
Now that said I do care about this excuse about snapping Pokemon from existence in order to insure greater quality when so far there's no evidence of this "quality". If cutting the pokedex allowed them to put in Pokemon Stadium level animations? Ok. I wouldn't think that's a good trade off at all but at least it's something tangible. If the graphics were better or at the very least comparable to its peers in the genre, great, again not a good trade off IMO but it would have been something. So yeah while I don't personally care about the graphics I agree with the sentiment that GF is being "exposed" so far. Well I always felt this way about them but finally it seems it took going all Thanos on pokemon for others to see it.
Why is a small studio handling a franchise as big as Pokemon at all?
That video looks pretty close to what I played at E3. Probably even better cause it looks like that one has even less aliasing than SS.
*shrug*
maybe I do need to get my eyes checked, but to me, it doesn't seem as crazy as people are making it out to be.
I just learned that GF isn't a first party developer lol wow
Well then may as well pack up any discussion of Pokemon changing. Game over
I think most people are not too fussed about the graphics of Pokemon titles, though that may change due to them coming to consoles. The big issue is that they're starting to cut Pokemon, and the excuse is for better animations, more detail, etc, so fans obviously will pick and prod where they can (Wingull's animation).
I generally agree, if they want to cut Pokemon, whose models haven't changed from the 3DS games, then they need to show where these development resources are going to. When X/Y was releasing, they made a big deal of the models being high quality and future proof, so it's weird they aren't bringing the full dex through here. The Gen 6 and 7 games had to cut things like triple battles, Gen 7 cut hoard battles, due to the model quality slowing down the system.
I generally agree, if they want to cut Pokemon, whose models haven't changed from the 3DS games, then they need to show where these development resources are going to. When X/Y was releasing, they made a big deal of the models being high quality and future proof, so it's weird they aren't bringing the full dex through here. The Gen 6 and 7 games had to cut things like triple battles, Gen 7 cut hoard battles, due to the model quality slowing down the system.
Everyone here is backseat developing so hard.
We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe their tools have limitations? Maybe implementing new animations into their systems is actually much more of a hassle then we suspect? Maybe the sheer volume of QA needed followed by bug fixing and tinkering was out of scope for the holiday deadline?
Maybe development is just going rocky and they had to, disappointingly to everyone on the team, cut the scope and cut features? None of us can tell them how easy it is to implement all 900 Pokemon without knowing what's happening behind closed doors at Game Freak.
We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe their tools have limitations? Maybe implementing new animations into their systems is actually much more of a hassle then we suspect? Maybe the sheer volume of QA needed followed by bug fixing and tinkering was out of scope for the holiday deadline?
Maybe development is just going rocky and they had to, disappointingly to everyone on the team, cut the scope and cut features? None of us can tell them how easy it is to implement all 900 Pokemon without knowing what's happening behind closed doors at Game Freak.
Because gamefreak own part of TPC by memory and they are responsible at least in part for making it as successful as it is.
This. 10/10
People have been hard on Game Freak for a while (since around...XY, I think?)
There would have been some backlash to Sword/Shield no matter what but the lack of a national dex is definitely exacerbating things and giving the "Game Freak is lazy/Game Freak doesn't care about the fans/Game Freak is incompetent" crowd an easy scapegoat to point at
I'm interested on this. What prevents them from just enlarging the model that's already high res and calling it a day?
We have someone from the industry kindly explaining the work that goes into these things and people are just ignoring it.
Gen 6 still had Triple and Rotation battles. They were both removed in Gen 7 so that we could have visible trainers.
With any other studio, people hope they are amazed with the new entries, and expect a lot from gameplay, voice acting, artstyle, graphics, performance.
But with GF, pokemon fans are like "hope they don't take away this feature" or "this could be worse, let's be thankful for games without post game content!!!1!1"
This brand loyalty is astonishing. Not even Star wars fans defend the Ip this much, and do the PR for lucasfilms.
Difference is Pokemon core gameplay is still good, whereas WWE2K is routinely garbage in every aspect
The rest of Pokemon's package sucks (graphics,speed,UI,plot, difficulty) but their mechanics are top tier
People have been shitting on GameFreak since forever. It's revisionist history to say BW was well received compared to XY, same as DP, same as RS...
So much hyperbole and ignorance surrounding this game at the moment. Absolute low point of Era's short history imo.
So why not expand? Why not invest, and make the studio staffed enough to actually create a game worthy of the franchise?
The only answer is a lack of ambition. The same game they've made for decades has sold, and so there's no reason to improve the game.
Are you referring to that YouTube video by the animator posted earlier or something else? Cause I felt he was also backseating pretty hard.
EDIT :Ah the Star Wars dev, and yep I like his responses! I was referring to everyone calling it ridiculous that Game Freak can't include the whole Pokedex.
How I want a Japanese Schreier to exist. I'd love to know what's going on behind closed doors on Game Freak HQ.
I don't think we shouldn't criticize them based on this, btw. I think any (reasonable, of course) criticism is valid and should be vocalized.
Can y'all wait until the game comes out ffs? They have several months of dev time left.
Some of you were never going to be pleased, no matter which type of fan you are. These threads are getting ridiculous. The whole premise behind them and all of the criticism is the lazy dev bullshit, and there's no reason this shit can't at least be consolidated to a single thread
Pleeeeease stop making sense. That sort of attitude is not welcome in these threads
Some of you were never going to be pleased, no matter which type of fan you are. These threads are getting ridiculous. The whole premise behind them and all of the criticism is the lazy dev bullshit, and there's no reason this shit can't at least be consolidated to a single thread
Pleeeeease stop making sense. That sort of attitude is not welcome in these threads
They wouldn't release information on the game ahead of release if they didn't want anyone to talk about it.
I'm talking about the EA Star Wars artist dude who is posting in this thread :)
The funny thing is that this thread is a combination of three Pokemon threads yet there are still a bunch of them among the front page.
at least they are doing better than the Fire Emblem team 👀 more effort
But what abiut Lets Go?
For whatever reason, dissatisfaction with GF didn't hit a fever pitch until now. I don't know why this stuff didn't come out more naturally over the years but now people feel bold enough to voice these concerns I guess.
It's almost like the largest western gaming conference just took place and they had to have something ready to show. Criticizing textures when they have a lot of time left to improve is a waste of time.
Have you ever been an Era Pokémon thread? Pretty disgraceful show all around. Take a dive into any Let's Go thread from this time last year
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