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DanteMenethil

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Oct 25, 2017
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You people will drive me crazy with the 3DS comparisons. See an optometrist for all that is good in this world


Only the new 3DS, and looks terrible on it.

Subjective, I think it looks fine. Anyway it was more to point out that such a game was not an impossible task on the 3ds, at least the new 3ds.

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Lugia

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People on era are shitting and criticizing the whole game now. The pokemon community are only dissatisfied with their decision for not including the national dex.

The response was very positive from fans until they revealed that there is no national dex. I can understand now when people say "Era bubble"
 

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I want to know the big open world games on switch yall are playing to say XC2 somehow looks bad in comparison to Pokemon
 

DanteMenethil

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People on era are shitting and criticizing the whole game now. The pokemon community are only dissatisfied with their decision for not including the national dex.

The response was very positive from fans until they revealed that there is no national dex. I can understand now when people say "Era bubble"

There's a lot of similar criticisms on reddit.
 
Nintendo should be more involved

Wise

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Oct 27, 2017
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Pokemon is like their biggest franchise and should be treated the same way zelda and Mario are treated. Most of the current problems probably wouldn't be a problem if Gamefreak had a bigger team. Nintendo own part of pokemon too right? Can't they give them some resources or help them or something? Sword and shield is just an impossible game to make for a small team like Gamefreak who has been working on handheld games for over 20 years. It was never going to set any standards or look as beautiful as breath of the wild. Sword and shield are practically the only huge holiday game the switch is getting this year and I think a game like this deserves a bigger team and more resources. They've needed a bigger team for awhile now and it has finally caught up to them.
 

Thordawgg

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Wanna bet? Once Pokemon sales fall off a cliff in a few years due to clearly sub par products Nintendo is gonna take drastic measures.
People have been waiting since the 90s for Pokemon sales to drastically drop off, hasn't happened.

I've lost a lot of interest in Pokemon and I'd like for them to have to make some serious, meaningful changes but I don't see why this or any near future releases would cause the sales to drop let alone "fall off a cliff"
 

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The Pokemon fandom has been pretty excusing for a while now. The backlash against the franchise is fairly recent and certianly didn't exist in the DS era (or even early 3DS era). It really is time for the franchise to catch up to to what people expect from a multi million selling $60 franchise.

If they need to expand fine, if they need to outsource more fine, if they need to extend each generation to 4 years instead of 3 fine. It's very clear at this point that the developers are having difficulty keeping up with what fans want from the franchise.
 

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ThatPersonGuy

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This game is gonna sell around 20m copies, you're delusional.
It hurts brand integrity in the long run. Just look at the Call of Duty franchise. It still sells a lot more than most games, but you can pinpoint the exact point where players gave the fuck up with putting up with a franchise that stubbornly refused for the better part of a decade to actually, uh, try, and the point where the devs noticed this and started throwing everything at the wall to see what could jumpstart the franchise.

And, regardless, that something sells well does not make it immune from criticism.
 
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Absolutely. Pokemon Stadium 2 is my top fav Pokemon game and that was by EPD Kyoto.

I blame TPC since they started publishing the games starting with TCG 2 for GBC of all games, right as the GBA was releasing.

Pokemon Stadium 2 was among the swan songs of the pre-TPC era.
 

Aleh

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It hurts brand integrity in the long run. Just look at the Call of Duty franchise. It still sells a lot more than most games, but you can pinpoint the exact point where players gave the fuck up with putting up with a franchise that stubbornly refused for the better part of a decade to actually, uh, try, and the point where the devs noticed this and started throwing everything at the wall to see what could jumpstart the franchise.

And, regardless, that something sells well does not make it immune from criticism.
I'm specifically replying to someone saying it will flop, don't need this lecture thank you.
 

Holundrian

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Oct 25, 2017
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The main reason why it's going to sell well is because most who are complaining are gonna cave in anyway.
Also for everyone that grows out of it there is a new generation that enjoys it as their first game they won't have the same grievances as people that have stuck with pokemon for years and why would they.

You look at the sales over the years and it's pretty clear that part of pokemon's success is that they are good at attracting new fans. They don't have to care about what the 30 year old pokemon fan needs/wants when the 7 year old new fan is fine with what they deliver.
 

Ehoavash

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Xenoblade 2 is a bad comparison OP, that game struggles a LoT to run on switch, and looks poo poo at times too. But Monolithsoft had to rush the game out/ their team was crippled due to Botw development
I often forget how beautiful XCX was. It'd be a damn crime if this wasn't ported to Switch at some point.

Yeah man I want the port to happen one day, also I keep dreaming of what the XCX team can showcase on the Switch cause again XcX on Wii u was fucking amaaaaazing looking

More XCX porn
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Rosebud

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I agree tbh.

I understand that GF is a small dev to all that work, that's why they should expand and not cut features.
 

Scheris

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I could understand if they had to do this for this game, and down the road with an update or another game they made sure they were there in a future entry once they had more time.

But their "we plan to do this for future releases" made me cancel my preorders. Since unless they do another R/S remake, god knows how long a Pokémon like Jirachi would take for it to be taken out of the "jail", so to speak.
 

Apa504

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It hurts brand integrity in the long run. Just look at the Call of Duty franchise. It still sells a lot more than most games, but you can pinpoint the exact point where players gave the fuck up with putting up with a franchise that stubbornly refused for the better part of a decade to actually, uh, try, and the point where the devs noticed this and started throwing everything at the wall to see what could jumpstart the franchise.

And, regardless, that something sells well does not make it immune from criticism.

Call of duty, the same Call of duty that keeps being the best seller of the year, that Call of duty ?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Feels kind of redundant with the other thread complaining about Pokémon sword and shield.
Tho it is weird that it feels like game freak struggles so much but doesn't adopt a more accessible engine while also making more side games like Giga wrecker and town.
I think they mentioned putting more effort into those than Pokémon?
Might have been a mistranslating
 

Rosebud

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Feels kind of redundant with the other thread complaining about Pokémon sword and shield.
Tho it is weird that it feels like game freak struggles so much but doesn't adopt a more accessible engine while also making more side games like Giga wrecker and town.
I think they mentioned putting more effort into those than Pokémon?
Might have been a mistranslating

It's not only the engine, they are REALLY small and are also working on spin offs and other games like Town.

It's impossible to have a yearly franchise that way, they need at least double the studio.
 

Wander_

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I agree with you but please post a decent xenoblade 2 image instead of that blurry mess.
 

sleepnaught

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Xenoblade 2 is a bad comparison OP, that game struggles a LoT to run on switch, and looks poo poo at times too. But Monolithsoft had to rush the game out/ their team was crippled due to Botw development


Yeah man I want the port to happen one day, also I keep dreaming of what the XCX team can showcase on the Switch cause again XcX on Wii u was fucking amaaaaazing looking

More XCX porn
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Jeez, never played either game, but that looks waaaay better than what I've seen from the Switch game. XC2 must've been quite disappointing for the fans.
 

HMD

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I just don't understand why it looks like it has the budget of a PSVita hentai game.
 

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I've been paying attention to discussions about Pokémon on this forum (and on gaf years back). It really is starting to seem like the general complaints people have had towards the franchise are starting to catch up to it. What started out as nerds complaining on gaming forums is turning into massively disliked videos and memes about the quality of the game's visuals. I'm betting that the franchise will either be massively overhauled presentation wise by the end of the current generation, or reviews will start pointing these issues out and docking points.
 

JayBabay

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Lots of Xenoblade 2 hate in here. The game chugs but reduce the environmental scope by 40% and the vegetation and amount happening on screen by 30% and you would have your increased resolution and solid FPS, and looks way more alive and lush than Sword and Shield.
 
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Wanted to make a thread like this... for me it is less about graphics and more of just a missed opportunity to create the game we all wanted.
 

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Why do people keep saying these games look like the 3DS games upressed? Even if you don't like how these games look it obviously looks better than that.

Because they don't have the first clue about videogame development or the realities of modern 3D rendering on Switch when targeting 720p native in handheld and 1080p native in docked mode.

Those resolutions alone hamstring developers in terms of graphical fidelity.

GF also aren't used to large scale open Worlds or HD development and also have another full scale game in development with a tiny team (in modern development team terms).

People love to get angry. Wait for the game. If you don't think it's up to scratch for you personally? Then don't buy it. Simple.
 

DanteMenethil

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The idea is to put the minimum amount of money in for the maximum amount of money out. They might change things but only if the new game sell and review poorly because of the game's low ambition / visual polish
 

Ehoavash

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Jeez, never played either game, but that looks waaaay better than what I've seen from the Switch game. XC2 must've been quite disappointing for the fans.

Nah not dissappointing. Even though XCX is the better running/wayyy better looking game, Monolithsoft made up for it in the story and gameplay department for X2 instead which was vastly better than XCX in those departments :p
 

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Lately people like to throw the word "upscaled" as if its a dirty term and devs just hit the upscale button in a 3D program or something.

Theyre still redoing and reanimating every Pokemon from scratch with higher fidelity ... thats a shit ton of work. There are reasons other games dont do it
Has there been proof of that though? From scratch?
 

Chalphy

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Of course they need additional support on some level. Most of Nintendo's internal projects have outside assistance from other companies like Bamco or Monolith Soft, Pokemon should be no different.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Lately people like to throw the word "upscaled" as if its a dirty term and devs just hit the upscale button in a 3D program or something.

Theyre still redoing and reanimating every Pokemon from scratch with higher fidelity ... thats a shit ton of work. There are reasons other games dont do it
I think they're adding animations but there's no way they remaking Pokémon models from scratch
 

MillionIII

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I don't necessarily have a problem with how game freak makes the games, they are always good and charming but I think that they really lack manpower, working on a yearly schedule plus on 2 games simultaneously means that you cut corners.
 

Salpal

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My assumption watching the trailers was that they want this game to run well docked and undocked but I won't know that until I get to play it.

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 has a much better art style and looks better than Pokemon but it did not run well. I love the game but it's not a technical darling on the switch.
 

XaviConcept

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Has there been proof of that though? From scratch?
If you change the model you change the rig which means you have to reanimate. Thats the industry standard, no proof required unless they have some dope ass tech that allow them to make new character models for console spec and retain their legacy animations which ... doesnt seem like something youd want anyways since they probably made a bunch of new rigs for their new prod pipeline
 
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