i know zilch about pokemon competitive but banning the top 10 most used just dont make people use the 11-20 most used pokemon instead
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Pokémon Sword & Shield series 6 ruleset released, bans most used Pokémon
- Thread starter Busaiku
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Yeah, but that's cool because you just see and use different Pokemon. It's just a nice refreshment for the season to make people do something different for a change.
Hidden Ability is Psychic Surge which activates Psychic Terrain when it's sent out so it's often used as support for others
Gotta love people not even reading the first page to see what is the point of all of this
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Vine Lash is super good.
In Sun, it's the fastest.
And it can Sleep.
It's hidden ability (Which you can't get in-game unless you go Raid Hunting) is Psychic Surge (Sets up Psychic Terrain) which is one of the strongest abilities in the game. Female always saw use as support due to having Follow Me and Helping Hand alongside decent bulk made it a fairly decent option. But then the DLC added Expanding Force (A move that gets significantly stronger when in Psychic Terrain) that made Indeedee Male one of the better sweepers in the meta, and even support base Indeedee Females now have a move they can hit hard with...
Premier Sun Sweeper in the game, with the ability to set the opponent to sleep as well, and the DLC gave it a GMAX form which gives it GMAX Vine Lash, a very powerful attacking move to sweep with.
Sleep is really good in Sw/Sh because it can stall out Dynamax turns. Venusaur with Chlorophyll is one of the faster Sleep users. Plus it has a Gmax form now.
These shakeups are a nice, non-convoluted way of changing the meta. Balance in competitive Pokemon isn't "making every pokemon viable" like some people seem to think.
But I agree with Theorymon (big fan of wobb man), 2 months isn't enough time for the meta to stabilize.
If this was Showdown and we could whip up teams in 5 mins and battles were super fast it would be one thing.
In game teams take time to make, even with all the QoL stuff.
I'd be more ok with a 3-4 month cycle.
But I agree with Theorymon (big fan of wobb man), 2 months isn't enough time for the meta to stabilize.
If this was Showdown and we could whip up teams in 5 mins and battles were super fast it would be one thing.
In game teams take time to make, even with all the QoL stuff.
I'd be more ok with a 3-4 month cycle.
Seen some people insist this is rigged because they saw Urshifu more (Urshifu combined probably but separate no) and now it proves they have broken competitive and need to outsource it to someone who knows better
Some people just can't take this well haha
Some people just can't take this well haha
This is dumb. Make it an alternate meta for people who want something different for a month, but why force this on everyone. This would be like a fighting game restricting the characters you could use for a period of time just to "shake things up"
for VGC, yea. it's been a thing for special battles before
Nerfs and Buffs only ever seem to happen at the beginning of the generation (See Aegislash and Mimikyu for example, and Talonflame from Gen 6 to Gen 7 with the Gale Wings nerf). It's annoyingly slow and the only changes during generation is adding more pokemon in (New game release adding new Regional Dex for example, the upcoming Tundra DLC is going to add a lot of the legendaries that will basically re-shape the whole meta entirely, probably around the Genies, the Tapus and the Ultra Beasts again, but the Galarian Remixes of the birds seem like they'll be strong as well) and banning pokemon like this.
Ah, that must be it.
Is Seismitoad any good?
Mostly for support.
To be fair Trick Room is also relatively unscathed. Losing Indeedee, porygon 2, and Torkoal hurt a bit, but you still have stuff like dusclops and amoongus and a bunch of other old staples of previous seasons that got edged out a bit in the current meta
I'd expect to see more Gastrodon than Seismitoad (at least in doubles) because Gastrodon has the added benefit of redirecting non-spread water attacks to itself beyond just being immune
I mean there are other viable (albiet worse) ways of setting sun. Ninetales is still around, and there's also the option of prankster sunny day from Klefki or Sableye
Yeah, but do you think for a moment those will come close to Torkoal? Ninetales has never been able to cut it against Politoed and the like. They basically already knocked Venusaur well out of the top 10 with just banning Torkoal.
It's amazing (it's the most used Pokemon in doubles for a reason, and it's second most used in singles). Grassy Surge is amazing even without grassy glide, but grassy glide on rillaboom is busted, and it has a really good movepool to back that up, especially in doubles. Like it's movepool is good enough that I can see it still having a strong niche even once Crown Tundra brings Tapu Bulu back into the game as competition for some of its roles
It's arguably the best pokemon in VGC Doubles, hehe.
Grassy Surge (Sets up Grassy Terrain which gives healing to all grounded pokemon and powers up grass moves) + Grassy Glide (70 BP Attacking move that gains Priority in Grassy Terrian) give it the strongest priority move in the game and overcomes it's Speed Weakness. Couple with good bulk and strong attack, It's GMAX giving it GMAX Drum Beating so it can run a really powerful nuke move. Knock Off to get rid of Held Items and then your choice of Swords Dance to set it up as a Sweeper, U-Turn for Switching with momentum, then High Horsepower, Acrobatics or Superpower/Drain Punch for coverage and GMAX Boosts, that's why Rillaboom is really good.
Primarina and Lapras are still in to slow down Kingdra. Lapras can also work in Trick Room and which should also keep Swift Swimmers under control.
as Wolfe Glick said, it's irresponsibly strong
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don't forget that Rillaboom can also use fake out, which is fantastic in vgc
I'm actually a bit upset Venu got just close enough to get banned lol. Sun would've still been good with it, though one of the best things about Torkoal was that it abused Trick Room and Venu/Torkoal core always had one of the two go first, so Ninetales isn't anywhere near as good.
It gets even funnier when you see that Dusclops was ranked 11th in usage.
And now Indeedee's banned, so Dusclops' Fake Out immunity is even more important for setting up Trick Room.
Honestly, I've never even looked at the online battling options in this game (nor have I done any PVP at all in this game), but these reactive restrictions make it sound more exciting. Maybe I should check it out with my team of losers.
Video from CybetronVGC (Major vgc youtuber, Official event commentator, was a top player back in the day until he switched more to commentating events rather than playing them himself) on his thoughts on the new format and what looks good in it