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predict the metascore

  • 95-100

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • 90-94

    Votes: 48 7.0%
  • 85-89

    Votes: 203 29.8%
  • 80-84

    Votes: 266 39.1%
  • 75-79

    Votes: 107 15.7%
  • 70-74

    Votes: 27 4.0%
  • under 70

    Votes: 23 3.4%

  • Total voters
    681
  • Poll closed .

Aokiji

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From the Ars Technica review:

far-off objects can often pop into existence (the way that Pokémon actually spring up as they pop in makes this graphical artifact more playful and intentional-looking).


Which for whatever reason was given to a guy who exclusively covered Apple & Apple related news for the site prior to this review. Lol

Pop-in is now considered "playful and intentional looking".
 
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So if we lost Super in the battle tower, is normal Singles/Doubles all we have? Do we know if it ramps up to Supers difficulty?
 

Estarossa

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Oh wow, so only 20 or so outlets received a review copy. It was cute of GF to try and prevent leaks, but they were fighting a losing battle. I guess we'll have to wait another week or so for the rest to come in.
 

Nax

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From the Ars Technica review:




Which for whatever reason was given to a guy who exclusively covered Apple & Apple related news for the site prior to this review. Lol

Pop-in is now considered "playful and intentional looking".
Holy shit. I have no idea what is wrong with reviewers and Poke'mon games.
 

AzureFlame

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This video is great, i agree that GameFreak needs to be transparent with the fans.

Edit: i didn't mean to put it with that thumbnail, the video isn't what you think it is.
 

Merc_

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Man, the comments of every video review is a dumpster fire. Large amount of dislikes followed by folks that are barely holding in calling any reviewer that has anything positive to say a shill. The shit Derrick is getting over his review is a fucking joke considering how fair he was with his criticisms of the game.

Yeesh, and I thought this thread was bad in its earlier stages.
 

AzVal

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is it settled at 81 MC? damn thats just a couple of points shy of the rating what is hailed by a lot as the game of the year...

I am sorry for what I say, but I bet once some of the smallest venues are weighted the score will go up, just as with last week's game I think many of those are (even if subconciously) pressured to give a good review in order not to get blacklisted for future releases and risk losing clicks

So taking in account that games scores are in kind of an interesting spotlight, what is a divisive game? one that despite having lots of 10s sits in the low 80s or one that has no 10s is being touted as the worst thing ever to its franchise and is in the 80s as well.

damn I wish more games all the games had demos... I am so on the fence between this and ring fit adventures.
 

Merc_

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is it settled at 81 MC? damn thats just a couple of points shy of the rating what is hailed by a lot as the game of the year...

I am sorry for what I say, but I bet once some of the smallest venues are weighted the score will go up, just as with last week's game I think many of those are (even if subconciously) pressured to give a good review in order not to get blacklisted for future releases and risk losing clicks

So taking in account that games scores are in kind of an interesting spotlight, what is a divisive game? one that despite having lots of 10s sits in the low 80s or one that has no 10s is being touted as the worst thing ever to its franchise and is in the 80s as well.

damn I wish more games all the games had demos... I am so on the fence between this and ring fit adventures.
Or maybe they're saying how they actually feel about the game? Holy shit.
 

Ramsay

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is it settled at 81 MC? damn thats just a couple of points shy of the rating what is hailed by a lot as the game of the year...

I am sorry for what I say, but I bet once some of the smallest venues are weighted the score will go up, just as with last week's game I think many of those are (even if subconciously) pressured to give a good review in order not to get blacklisted for future releases and risk losing clicks

So taking in account that games scores are in kind of an interesting spotlight, what is a divisive game? one that despite having lots of 10s sits in the low 80s or one that has no 10s is being touted as the worst thing ever to its franchise and is in the 80s as well.

damn I wish more games all the games had demos... I am so on the fence between this and ring fit adventures.
Not by any means, given that there's only been 20 or so reviews, as opposed to ~100 or so that we should expect. In all due honesty, game releases typically drop a point or two as the smaller reviewers post their reviews.

EDIT: Oh, and get Ring Fit Adventure - the general impressions of that game seem to be pretty good, while the general impression of Sword and Shield will likely be quite negative once the honeymoon period ends (keep in mind that Gens 6 and 7, which have been heavily maligned, have a much higher Metacritic score than this).
 

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games journalism is corrupt and utterly useless. a true shame considering film and music reviews are vastly more honest and forthright, which is baffling because there is much less objectivity with games especially with things like technical issues.
 

Durden

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Oct 25, 2017
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So it seems like from everything being said, this seems to be a great starting point for Pokemon reaching HD consoles, but that it still has a lot of improvements that can, need to, and probably will be made over future installments.

As a more casual Pokemon fan, this makes me want to wait to see how the re-released version comes out. As it sounds like with another entry or two, it's going to be where it really needs to be and these will become obsolete quickly.

However since I am a more casual fan, I haven't played a Pokemon since X/Y, and I'm really itchin for another one at this point bad. Also, after there not even being a re-released version of X/Y, and the stunt they pulled with having double re-release versions of S/M, it's hard to say how that will even turn out here.

So needless to say, I'm probably getting this. It's time. Would be nice if these series could get with the times and more on a GaaS-like service would we don't have to worry about re-releases and crap, but whatever. Doubt that's happening anytime soon.
 

Psittacus

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So it seems like from everything being said, this seems to be a great starting point for Pokemon reaching HD consoles, but that it still has a lot of improvements that can, need to, and probably will be made over future installments.
The problem I have with this sentiment is that we've gotten it for at least 4 games now and it just rings hollow at this point.
 

Brodo Baggins

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Oct 27, 2017
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From the Ars Technica review:




Which for whatever reason was given to a guy who exclusively covered Apple & Apple related news for the site prior to this review. Lol

Pop-in is now considered "playful and intentional looking".

I think the pop-in sucks too, but from what I saw they do at least have a playful animation for the pop-in. Things spring up from the ground and kind of bounce in most of the time which gives it a more aesthetic look than if they were to fade in or just appear (though there's some raw pop-in in there for sure too). I would never spin it as a net positive as obviously longer draw distances would be better but it isn't a straight up misleading statement.
 

Ishaan

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Hah. I didn't expect to see this dug up all these years later. To clarify, though, I don't think it was Nintendo's intent to say that Pokémon's audience was growing older. That was our read on the numbers. The point they were making was something else. (Just that the numbers also made this very evident)
 

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Can't believe the Pokémon reddit has a 1k post count thread about IGN's review of SwSh vs Luigi's Mansion 3.

The concept of different reviewers having different tastes, opinions not being objective, and just comparing different genres in general seems lost on a lot of people.
 

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Can't believe the Pokémon reddit has a 1k post count thread about IGN's review of SwSh vs Luigi's Mansion 3.

The concept of different reviewers having different tastes, opinions not being objective, and just comparing different genres in general seems lost on a lot of people.
You should check Edge threads here. lol
 

Quinton

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Can't believe the Pokémon reddit has a 1k post count thread about IGN's review of SwSh vs Luigi's Mansion 3.

The concept of different reviewers having different tastes, opinions not being objective, and just comparing different genres in general seems lost on a lot of people.

Yeah. Unfortunately, many people view publications as these monolithic entities or something. Like IGN is some singular AI network rather than, you know, a games journalism website with a diverse group of reviewers.
 

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You should check Edge threads here. lol
EDGE threads are some of the hardest threads to read on this forum. So many can't accept they follow different review standards than the rest of the industry.

I really appreciate how much they value innovation and accessability and how they aren't afraid to properly call out games they feel don't live up to its potential.
 

KillstealWolf

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Oct 27, 2017
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Super Singles, Super Doubles are gone, no bosses.

Ironic, I hadn't played BT or anything similar since the DS games, when I decide to give a go again, they remove options from it. Figures.

Wait, so with Battle Tower you can just enter with a level 70 or so and power-stomp through it on level advantage because the opponents are only level 50. Because that's how the regular ones were in USUM. Does it not scale your levels at all?
 

Jacobson

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Can't believe the Pokémon reddit has a 1k post count thread about IGN's review of SwSh vs Luigi's Mansion 3.

The concept of different reviewers having different tastes, opinions not being objective, and just comparing different genres in general seems lost on a lot of people.

honestly I'm skipping pokemon reddit at least until things calm down. you get people saying it's okay for you to like the game, then a few comments down people berate you for not having standards. i just want some place to discuss actually playing the game, in peace.
 

Oregano

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Hah. I didn't expect to see this dug up all these years later. To clarify, though, I don't think it was Nintendo's intent to say that Pokémon's audience was growing older. That was our read on the numbers. The point they were making was something else. (Just that the numbers also made this very evident)

Ahh, noted.

I just vividly remembered seeing those graphs.
 

Quinton

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Somewhat (okay, largely) off-topic, but seeing all the love for the DS era of Pokémon has had me going back and reading old stuff off and on all day, and I'm trying to buy HeartGold or SoulSilver from the web now. Thing is, this eBay listing seems way too good to be true, but apparently the seller has sold over 5000 copies and has plenty of sales history?

I'm sorry for the temporary thread hijack but this seems like the best place to ask right now so if anybody sees this post of mine and wants to chime in, yay, I'm all ears.
 

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Can't believe the Pokémon reddit has a 1k post count thread about IGN's review of SwSh vs Luigi's Mansion 3.

The concept of different reviewers having different tastes, opinions not being objective, and just comparing different genres in general seems lost on a lot of people.
Obsession with Metacritic scores and gloating, even here, has caused peopled to believe reviews should all be standardised and directly comparable.

That said, I do like my reviews to be informative about issues and certainly have my preferences for review styles.
 

Mashy

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Can't believe the Pokémon reddit has a 1k post count thread about IGN's review of SwSh vs Luigi's Mansion 3.

The concept of different reviewers having different tastes, opinions not being objective, and just comparing different genres in general seems lost on a lot of people.

Puts the whole idea of putting a number/score on a game in the spotlight.

Reviews should be recommend or not recommend imo.
 

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I don't doubt it, but I've been checked out of those four games.
Yeah I feel like the series is reaching the point where for a lot of people it's best to check out for 5 years and then come back and see a game's worth of accumulated improvements so you'll probably be fine

if he is talking about the Pokémon that appear in the overworld, perhaps Gamefreak used the same Let'Go trick, in which the Pokémon appeared with a mini animation and a bit of effects to give a little more elegance. Could refer to that.
Yeah it's like Let's Go in that they sort of balloon out of the ground
 
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Vampirolol

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From the Ars Technica review:




Which for whatever reason was given to a guy who exclusively covered Apple & Apple related news for the site prior to this review. Lol

Pop-in is now considered "playful and intentional looking".
if he is talking about the Pokémon that appear in the overworld, perhaps Gamefreak used the same Let'Go trick, in which the Pokémon appeared with a mini animation and a bit of effects to give a little more elegance. Could refer to that.
 

Mekanos

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Can't believe the Pokémon reddit has a 1k post count thread about IGN's review of SwSh vs Luigi's Mansion 3.

The concept of different reviewers having different tastes, opinions not being objective, and just comparing different genres in general seems lost on a lot of people.

People love to nitpick reviews all the time. The Resident Evil 2 thread was pretty bad because an IGN review misunderstood the nature of the A/B campaign and misrepresented it in a review. He did an edit but people were still coming after him. It's definitely not just a Pokemon thing, unfortunately.
 

NameUser

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I just hope GF changes things up. Maybe bring in some new people. I started to get annoyed with them after playing Yokai Watch because it looked and performed much better than the 3DS Pokémon games.

And if you look at some of the things coming to the Switch, there's no excuse for this to have performance issues and less content than the old games.

I was so hyped for this and I'm totally heartbroken right now by these reviews 🙁

I wanted a great HD Pokémon with tons of content, not a serviceable, barebones one.
 

AzureFlame

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I just hope GF changes things up. Maybe bring in some new people. I started to get annoyed with them after playing Yokai Watch because it looked and performed much better than the 3DS Pokémon games.

And if you look at some of the things coming to the Switch, there's no excuse for this to have performance issues and less content than the old games.

I was so hyped for this and I'm totally heartbroken right now by these reviews 🙁

I wanted a great HD Pokémon with tons of content, not a serviceable, barebones one.

I feel you, it's sad.
 
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was this one posted?

Paste Magazine (7/10):
Pokémon Sword and Shield is a fair beginning to a new era of console-based Pokémon games, but one that needs significant improvement in the quality of the graphics and the design of its open areas. As much as I'd like to see the full Pokédex in a Pokémon game, what would be the point? Every Pokémon deserves a detailed treatment, and Sword and Shield don't achieve that. It's nice to hunt Pokémon in a more expansive playfield and I plan to completely fill out the rosters on both games. But its potential remains not entirely realized, as tantalizingly out of reach as our ability to catch 'em all.
 

Bonejack

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Said it in the Spoiler thread, saying it here again ... i think Gamefreak needs to start using a pre-made engine for Pokemon. Either that or they hire people that are specialized on this if they want to keep using their own engine.
 

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EDGE threads are some of the hardest threads to read on this forum. So many can't accept they follow different review standards than the rest of the industry.

I really appreciate how much they value innovation and accessability and how they aren't afraid to properly call out games they feel don't live up to its potential.
The next Edge thread has the potential to be a doozy if they end up giving a score to Death Stranding and have a review for Sword/Shield.
 

NameUser

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I feel you, it's sad.
Yeah, and I honestly feel a little guilty, like I should just be grateful, but it's missing too much stuff. I've been dreaming of a proper console Pokémon game for nearly twenty years. Just something epic with more content than ever, kinda like the Smash Ultimate of Pokémon. Guess we'll have to wait longer.
 
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The problem I have with this sentiment is that we've gotten it for at least 4 games now and it just rings hollow at this point.
Reminds me of the GameXplain review. Derrick's opinions are pretty solid, but he spends the last 3 minutes of the review talking about how the best part of SwSh is how the improvements will impact the next game.

Nobody here can tell me reviews should be done "in a vacuum" and judge the game "for what it is, not what it should be" when pretty much every review talks about the future of the series as much as the current installment.
 

NameUser

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Said it in the Spoiler thread, saying it here again ... i think Gamefreak needs to start using a pre-made engine for Pokemon. Either that or they hire people that are specialized on this if they want to keep using their own engine.
Totally. It's like what Telltale was doing with their crappy engine. If it's holding the games back—drop that shit. I wish they'd just ask Nintendo to use their in house engine (not sure what it's called).
 
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they sent a review code to esquire but not destructoid (or a ton of other gaming websites)...

Esquire (no score):
Pokemon Sword and Shield's lack of a National Pokédex may be a bummer, angering some fans, but really, it's a blessing that pushes the series forward again. The 8th Gen will divide, sure, but undoubtedly it feels like the right stepping stone to keep the series moving, especially as it breaks into the home console and portable world. So to all you Pokéfreaks who can't be be happy for a fantastic Pokémon game, me and my giant Grookey will be waiting to razor leaf your ass online.
 

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Reminds me of the GameXplain review. Derrick's opinions are pretty solid, but he spends the last 3 minutes of the review talking about how the best part of SwSh is how the improvements will impact the next game.

Nobody here can tell me reviews should be done "in a vacuum" and judge the game "for what it is, not what it should be" when pretty much every review talks about the future of the series as much as the current installment.
People aren't scoring or recommending the game based on the future though, they're doing so on the game they have in front of them. You can still talk about the past/future of a series without it affecting your opinion on or experience with the game you have in your hand.
 

dunkzilla

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they sent a review code to esquire but not destructoid (or a ton of other gaming websites)...

Esquire (no score):
Another review that says these "push the series forward" without actually explaining what that means.

Also what the fuck is this

Developer Game Freak clearly shifted its efforts away from the National Pokédex, adding 10 to 20 new Pokémon and creating a brand new region, Galar

Terrible review.