To be fair it was never "officially" announced anywhere. It was mentioned by Masuda during the E3 Treehouse segment and from then on everyone was aware of it.
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Pokémon Sword and Shield launch event in Japan cancelled for "operational reasons"
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To be fair it was never "officially" announced anywhere. It was mentioned by Masuda during the E3 Treehouse segment and from then on everyone was aware of it.
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I "agree!" I too love overreacting to features of a jolly video game series and being part of a months long "outrage" with a vocal minority that totally communicates a "clear" message toward "positive change" for the game! The developers are totally inclined to listen now!
I'm sorry, but "smug attitude"? They've always been apologetic about it. The last major interview they gave talked about how they needed to be open to criticism, and that it was a hard decision but they felt they made the best one they could. They didn't decry critics, they simply admitted that it was demoralizing and that they had to go a different way.
You can disagree with wether they made the right decision or not, but the last thing they've been about any of this is "smug."
Didn't Japan known about the Dex Cut the same time as we did? Plus do we even have any actual proof that it's because of the National Dex shenanigans or is this just everyone running wild with speculation only? For all we know it could have really been due to operational reasons unrelated to it. If anything I'm just getting the feeling some people want this to be related to the dex for their own reasons.
Sounds like they want to avoid a PR nightmare since the leaks happened. Death threats, where exactly has it been stated that was the reason for their cancellation? Point to where the article says they are canceling it for safety reasons.
Counterpoint
No piece of entertainment media is worthy of a street protest over content alone
It would be something else if there were there to call out gamefreak on something like employee abuse/crunch, sexism/racism, or whatever cause thats worthy of such things
That such energy would be put into missing pokemon.... im sorry but this is embarrassing in our current environment
So we're just going to run with the narrative that they're doing it out of fear of their own safety even though that was stated nowhere other than a weird attempt to connect it to the horrible KA attack by the writer of the article?
Fucking hell, is it so hard to understand that implementing literal hundreds of Pokemon is a task that grows exponentially in difficulty and cost with every bit of graphical improvement?
I am not that well versed in Pokemon but from what I have been told, the Pokemon removal was never officially announced in Japan until after the massive leaks happened with that chart of how many Pokemon did not make it.
And since a lot of cut Pokemon are fan favourites with shitload of merch and presence, the response has been...bad.
People have been "vocally" complaining since gen 5 though, and sales have basically just gone up a bit and then stagnated again.
The sales argument makes no sense for Pokemon anyway.
The angry "fans" already decided how to interpret them long ago
If the games sell bad its because of the cut and the games being bad.
If the games sell good its despite the cut and the games being bad.
There is no case where the mob wont find a justification to claim they were right.
SWSH could sell 20m copies, more than any generation in the last 19 years, at 50% higher price than any game before, they would just say it "could" have sold even more if whatever.
people vastly overestimate the effect dexit will have
even on era who is basically 99% hc gamers most don't care:
joe shmo doesn't even have his 3ds anymore, he certainly won't give a shit. if i remember correctly there was a several month gap after release of the last gens until they even allowed you to bring over your old mons. at this point the casual crowd has dropped the game anyway. GF surely has statistics that show them the same.
nat dex will never come back.
even on era who is basically 99% hc gamers most don't care:
joe shmo doesn't even have his 3ds anymore, he certainly won't give a shit. if i remember correctly there was a several month gap after release of the last gens until they even allowed you to bring over your old mons. at this point the casual crowd has dropped the game anyway. GF surely has statistics that show them the same.
nat dex will never come back.
You say this, but they are going to backpedal HARD. Hell I agree to an extent that Pokemon need to be cut to fallback to a healthy meta without power creep. That doesn't mean other Pokemon should be unusable everywhere else.
On what planet can you possibly determine somebody's only concern is your post? Do you have any idea how ridiculous this is? You are throwing somebody under the bus and accusing them of supporting death threats and harassment based on a post with literally no words in it.
You are acting very foolishly and abrasively. Death threats and harassment are completely awful and unjustified. YOU are the one making joke posts in a thread on this topic and you're now accusing someone of supporting completely heinous behavior because they dared roll their eyes at your joke. You are acting like you're the only one on the right side of this argument and everyone around you must be universally condemned for hellish behavior they are not exhibiting. Conversation becomes impossible when all it takes is an ellipses response to a troll post to apparently be labeled as uncaring about harassment and death threats.
This entire Pokémon cycle has been a goddamn nightmare and while your behavior is not the chief concern it sure as hell doesn't help.
There has been outrage since June. Nothing else changed, knowing the number of Pokémon in the game isn't really changing the situation. Why else would they cancel it for?
Around 60% of all the pokemon were cut from SwSh(Basically brings it down to around gen 3 levels of available pokemon). Basically if your favorite pokemon was something like Dragonite or Jigglypuff, then you're out of luck for this game as there is no way of getting them here. People are already upset about that, but it's exacerbated because there isn't anything obvious thus far(to many people's views) that makes it seem like the effort went somewhere else as many of the models and animations look to be reused from previous generations.
Of course, none of this is worth death threats or "lazy dev" rhetoric, but this is the primary reason people are a bit down on the new games.
I mean if you want to get technical, it was never officially announced anywhere. It was just kinda casually mentioned during the E3 demo.
Not saying that in defense of anything, though.
Did you deliberately miss the part where I called the reporting irresponsible and that people are running with assumptions? I think Eurogamer is taking a huge flying leap to a conclusion that isn't even supported. That first part of my post was responding to a specific comment that in my reading seemed to be in favor of the possibility that this was what happened.
What the hell is this shit tier article and "journalist", casually pulling the KyoAni arson out of his ass to generate clicks?
Its a resource hog no matter how many armchair engineers come in and try to convince us otherwise
The games legacy will be a growing anchor that the series will be forced to adhere to and stifle its ability to innovate and change.
This should be a common sense realization for any long running series with staples
Sure they bungled the communication hard but it was going to be a nasty situation no matter how they decided to handle it
Echoes of Mass Effect 3
It is the largest media franchise in the world to of course the volume of bad actors would naturally be higher than probably any other fanbase just from sheer numbers alone
The Pokémon removal was never officially announced ANYWHERE in the world. It was mentioned by Masuda during the E3 Treehouse segment.
People are spreading misinformation like always. Japanese people knew about it.
Like the assumption that this is even related to "dexit" or death threats? Those kinds of assumptions?
The only threats mentioned in the article were related to the KyoAni tragedy. We don't know whether or not threats were even involved in this cancellation.
Fair, but also see above.
People are going to tell you Pokémon games should be handled by the largest amount of developers ever to reflect the franchise success as a whole.
"Operational reasons"
To quote you lot, we don't know all the facts, stop spreading misinformation.
Protests in the streets deserved?
Cmon man. The initial backlash was more than enough
cheers, thanks.
Embarrassing overreactions but criticism is well deserved.
100%. I like your style.
Criticism against games isn't the problem. This being as big of a deal is the problem.
I specifically said in my first post that I was saying this assuming this is really related to the National Dex incident.
Yes? Exactly those assumptions. I am agreeing that this is unsupported. Eurogamer is the one being irresponsible. Who else would I mean is doing any "reporting"?
There have been numerous attempts from people to underplay the abuse from protesters since the very beginning. Trying to always make a big deal out of cuts is just another way to deviate the attention from that. I also didn't say it was a joke, I said it wasn't serious. The feeling certainly wasn't to make light of the situation because it really isn't the time for that. It's time to stop putting videogames over people.
Wait, Game Freak devs are are receiving abuse and death threats? Over dexit?
I haven't been following the news, so it's quite surprising to me.
Operational reasons covers for things like staff shortage, weather interference, lack of space at a venue, or any sort of last minute issue, including security. So while yes death threats could potentially be the reason, others things could be the issue instead.
HIRE MORE STAFF!!!
GAMEFREAK TOO SMOL!!!
GIVE TO NINTENDO! THEY WILL DO US RIGHT!
GIMME MA DAMN 900 POKEMON, 10 OF WHICH I WILL USE!
Speaking as a guy with like 95% of Pokemon in PokeBank waiting for Pokemon Home, i'm saddened by not being able to use all the Pokemon, but i'm over it now.
It's the highest grossing franchise of all time, the audience is bigger than many of you think. So ofc it will be louder, agree on the last point you made tho
Masuda even received fake rape accusations at one point too.
The death threats and harassment aren't. Which you're probably going to get lumped in as endorsing now because apparently that needs to be said even though we're on a forum where the majority of us disagree with threats and harassment.
this launch is going to be interesting. most people have no idea how bad the dex situation is and they're already canceling events.
to say nothing about how we're just now discovering that another critical feature is probably missing...
to say nothing about how we're just now discovering that another critical feature is probably missing...
So you want everyone to think of the poor corporation, and for the series to continue declining in quality just to spite the fanbase? Seriously?
If that's what the fanbase wants, then maybe Pokemon does deserve a Sonic 06-level disaster.
My biggest issue is that it's 2019 and the solution to the problem is simple. Have a small team who's job it is to gaas pokemon into the games via content updates or patches. Sword and Shield already has both raid battles and the wild area which would be perfect for this. Each month a bunch of new pokemon could migrate into the wild area, with legendaries/starters being added to the raid battles. You keep up player retention and please fans of classic pokemon.
If you don't want to do that, have a big patch when the next mainline game comes out (gen 4 remake) to make those two games fully cross compatible. If gen 4 remake also has 400 pokemon that don't overlap with any from sw/sh then 90% of the dex would be available in year 2 of gen 8. Then you dona 3rd version of sword/shield or a sequel/ultra game that adds in the missing pokemon with patches for the older games to make everything fully
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Or detail what pokemon home is, show that it's actually a meaningful, beefy game that will let people fully battle, trade, do quest, etc on your phone with all 8 gens of pokemon. Home could be a massive phone app that people would probably be thrilled to pay monthly for like an mmo to play with all their pokemon.
There are solutions to this problem that gamefreak should have been able to get out in front of. The fact they've done none of them after months of backlash is mind blowing. Maybe one of these is the plan and they don't want to undermine sword/shield's launch with "here are future plans so wait for the full dex", but at this point if morale is bad at gamefreak and the backlash never went away, maybe it would have been worth it get out in front of this.
I thought they'd keep big iconic mons like the starters and some legends, unlike standard regional dexes, because that likely would be enough to make the mainstream overlook the cuts, but considering how they removed them too (likely to be able to advertised their return later) I think the cuts will be noticeable even to a casual audience. That said, they will be, but that's only in the future. Millions likely will buy this game having no idea about the removal of Pokemon or still believing that it will only affect mons they haven't heard about.
This kind of post is really disingenuous. The "community" isn't an organization following the line of a central commander. Obviously in a large group of people you'll have some lashing out and doing stupid things, but that has nothing to do with everyone else. That's also why you still have many fans defending the game's direction. There are only people here and you can't just split them in arbitrary groups while separating yourself from everything just to split the blame among the ones you dislike.
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