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Pokémon Legends: Arceus - New Trailer, website updated with new info, screenshots, etc
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Okay let's say they do do that while also having 900 playable pokemon each taking weeks to model program renderand balance, having them be usable without glitching them and turning into hideous abominations of modelling like. Do this while also adding an environment for them to Walk in without clipping through the floor, each with it's own walking animation that again needs to not turn into something like base no man sky random generated abominations. Npc's that also need to be modeled rendered and programmed and and made sure the skeleton is correct, that in turn means the games with the current pokemon have over 1000 unique models in one game.
Dear God it's amazing that game freak is able to get something remotely playable in the timeframes the TPC has given them. And keep in mind this is them doing it where no other dev in the history of gaming has been able to replicate in the history of gaming in monster collector's with Pokemons rosters scale. And yet you people expect them to put out something on par with xenoblade x graphically when even it didn't have the fraction of unique models pokemon does.
Fuck off with this arm chair dev bull shit you absolutely don't know how game development work nor the amount of work it takes a pokemon game to be fucking made, you have no right to call them lazy
There's the thing....Genshin won't run on current Switch Models.
The developers said the CPU is too weak and would nuke the presentation and performance to get it playable.
Did they actually say that?
All I could find was a supposed insider saying that they were having trouble with the weaker hardware but nothing about nuking the presentation and performance.
Yeah, I think "cohesive" describes perfectly a game that isn't as technically advanced but is still pleasing. I don't need Naughty Dog graphics for every game, let alone a Switch title. But the hardware can do a lot better - and so can the art team at Game Freak. I'll most likely buy and play this because the gameplay has strong potential, but I'm sure I'm going to spend most of that time thinking of how it shouldn't look like this.
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to be fair, the ipad is stronger than the switch (depending on which one you got, but all of them have a way better cpu)
If it runs genshin in 60fps then it's pretty damn strong because genshin is 30fps on my ps4
Just got around to watching a high quality version of the trailer.
My god, the graphics are so bad.
My god, the graphics are so bad.
I feel like there will be a DLC that adds more to the region. Perhaps.... underground and in caverns?
Full and New Moon island
Long path
Distortion world
etc maybe, only for research purposes for the pokedex.
Full and New Moon island
Long path
Distortion world
etc maybe, only for research purposes for the pokedex.
modern day iPads do beat the NSW, PS4, PS4P, XB1 and XB1X in CPU comfortably.
that might be more of a case that the cpu of the PS4 is holding back 60fps than anything else. also, Ipad is probably running closer to 720p
The idea of regional evolutions for the starters is a really fun one. I wonder where they could go with it.
Obviously, Samurott could have a bipedal samurai form, since that seems to be what most people want anyway.
Decidueye with more of a Ninja flair?
I don't know what to do with Typhlosion, though. It's already got such a simple design with so little frills. Really a blank canvas.
Obviously, Samurott could have a bipedal samurai form, since that seems to be what most people want anyway.
Decidueye with more of a Ninja flair?
I don't know what to do with Typhlosion, though. It's already got such a simple design with so little frills. Really a blank canvas.
This game puts the whole blacking out after your party is wiped thing in a different light. Instead of your character just being a sore loser or whatever, it's more like the Pokémon you're fighting starts beating your ass instead lol
I'm of two minds on the subject. When I look at it relative to the industry, and even just Switch, it's pretty bad. When I look at it relative to the Wild Area in Sword and Shield it's a pretty big improvement. I could look past all of it's issues so much easier if the resolution were high
True, it's just again though it goes back to the cohesiveness of everything. I don't need Pokemon to run at 60 FPS or look as good as Genshin but I'd appreciate if the art itself didn't feel like it was conflicting with itself.
Like take this for example, where are the LODs for trees even further out? They just stop completely after a certain distance and the trees that do render not only don't have any shadows but just look really bad. The LODs they do have don't really seem to do much to hide the fact that they are lower detailed models, so they stick out even more.
The trees also have like really weird texturing that gives it like pre-baked lighting that just completely clashes with everything else. Like no matter where the light is coming from trees always have shading in the exact same spots always.
It's a little less worse at night but looks really bad where it's day or evening. And it makes it look a lot like those Unity Asset Flip games you see on steam.
regional evolutions wouldn't make sense here since the pokemon are from their native regions
We have some regional pokemon that come about due to pokemon adapting to their environment differently (Alolan Raichu, Alolan Marowak, Galarian Mr Mime, Galarian Weezing for examples) since you are training them up from a fresh level. It's certainly still possible.
yea, the LoD is supposed to work like that. the switch ain't too powerful and GF ain't that good of a studio with tech, so it's a one two punch. can't tell if they're using billboards, but I would guess they are, but are limited by some other aspectTrue, it's just again though it goes back to the cohesiveness of everything. I don't need Pokemon to run at 60 FPS or look as good as Genshin but I'd appreciate if the art itself didn't feel like it was conflicting with itself.
Like take this for example, where are the LODs for trees even further out? They just stop completely after a certain distance and the trees that do render not only don't have any shadows but just look really bad. The LODs they do have don't really seem to do much to hide the fact that they are lower detailed models, so they stick out even more.
The trees also have like really weird texturing that gives it like pre-baked lighting that just completely clashes with everything else. Like no matter where the light is coming from trees always have shading in the exact same spots always.
It's a little less worse at night but looks really bad where it's day or evening. And it makes it look a lot like those Unity Asset Flip games you see on steam.
the trees are definitely a decsion. probably would have been better to go with more polygonal trees rather than alpha cards. the dark underside is probably because they don't want to spend gpu power processing the diffuse color
lighting seems to only be stencil shadows rather than AO/GI. and the weird fresnel highlight everything has
A regional variant of Typhlosion would almost certainly be based on a daimyo.
I like what I saw in the presentation. There was a lot left unanswered at the start, but I left satisfied. It looks like an ambitious concept, but I think they'll pull it off. It really feels like an adventure game with Pokemon, which is something they really hadn't done before.
How do screens from this presentation compare to last time? The UI changed quite a bit, didn't it?
How do screens from this presentation compare to last time? The UI changed quite a bit, didn't it?
Given the rough visuals you gotta wonder why they're releasing it in January, it's not like they needed Legends to release then with 3 other releases in the fiscal year. I assume the next year will just be continued support for Go and Unite with no new releases, maybe just dlc for this game, so why rush?
They could just say they took on new properties while evolving as a result of having trained in a new environment. Other species may develop that potential over many years, but there's no rule saying it couldn't occur in one lifetime.
I thought it looked good when I watched the presentation then coming here and reading all these posts makes me feel crazy.
Really excited for this, seeing more of the gameplay loop sold me. With it not out until end of January im sure there is a bunch we still haven't seen. Feel like some other town / inhabited areas are probably likely and clearly there is some larger story going on that they barely touched on get. Another 5/6 months of Dev time and I bet they clean up the visuals even more, already a big advancement from the first trailer. I would bet you can go out and roam the world rather freely, would make sense to build up your team and catch new mon. Feel starting the story missions may just quick travel you to the area of focus and camps spawn there when you start.
Really excited for this, seeing more of the gameplay loop sold me. With it not out until end of January im sure there is a bunch we still haven't seen. Feel like some other town / inhabited areas are probably likely and clearly there is some larger story going on that they barely touched on get. Another 5/6 months of Dev time and I bet they clean up the visuals even more, already a big advancement from the first trailer. I would bet you can go out and roam the world rather freely, would make sense to build up your team and catch new mon. Feel starting the story missions may just quick travel you to the area of focus and camps spawn there when you start.
Just able to watch and finish the presentation now...just damn.
The hype I had for Legends deflated bigtime, even after the first trailer, I hoped they would return with a strong showing.
Genuinely shocked at how Game Freak just doesn't seem to "get" it. They should (could) be a showcase studio yet they just seem to do the bare minimum in order to secure millions of copies. makes me sad cause people are defending it as something new (yes, I would LOVE an open world Pokemon RPG) but it seems that the bar is so low that the most minimal change is garnering praise.
- graphics are shameful
- draw distance too close
- world looks barren
- towns look dead
- quest seems iffy with tons of repetitive tasks and/or "dailies"
BotW came out FOUR years ago and still looks lightyears better than this. Not to forget about games like Xenoblade and ports like Skyrim/Witcher 3.
I will say the game's mechanics look great though. Creeping through the woods, riding 'mons, tossing Pokeballs at 'mons and initiating fights anytime, shit yeah!
Honestly unless this improves WILDLY I doubt the cart will even play on my Switch lol. May just dump the rom and emulate right from the start. Normally I playthrough on Switch once then again on PC, but with this...may skip console playthrough entirely.
The hype I had for Legends deflated bigtime, even after the first trailer, I hoped they would return with a strong showing.
Genuinely shocked at how Game Freak just doesn't seem to "get" it. They should (could) be a showcase studio yet they just seem to do the bare minimum in order to secure millions of copies. makes me sad cause people are defending it as something new (yes, I would LOVE an open world Pokemon RPG) but it seems that the bar is so low that the most minimal change is garnering praise.
- graphics are shameful
- draw distance too close
- world looks barren
- towns look dead
- quest seems iffy with tons of repetitive tasks and/or "dailies"
BotW came out FOUR years ago and still looks lightyears better than this. Not to forget about games like Xenoblade and ports like Skyrim/Witcher 3.
I will say the game's mechanics look great though. Creeping through the woods, riding 'mons, tossing Pokeballs at 'mons and initiating fights anytime, shit yeah!
Honestly unless this improves WILDLY I doubt the cart will even play on my Switch lol. May just dump the rom and emulate right from the start. Normally I playthrough on Switch once then again on PC, but with this...may skip console playthrough entirely.
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how to make any game look better: self shadowing from a global light source. especially when you're in an outdoor environment. even better when you have a GI/AO solution, but that's a bit much to ask for from game freak.
maybe if Gen 9 is Dane Switch exclusive
maybe if Gen 9 is Dane Switch exclusive
I mean I get that the Switch hardware is old and not as powerful even comparing to iPads, but does the ground texture have to look this bad? The specular map on the terrain just makes the already muddy texture look even worse.
better than first showing for sure and im excited for something new from the series but the visuals continue to disappoint....a lot... specifically for the environment the shadows are either extremely harsh or non existent
normal maps on the rocks are set to the extreme its like im looking at rocks in Gears 1 back in the mid 00's
Kinda wild BOTW from 2017 still looks considerably more solid than pretty much anything this game has made.
normal maps on the rocks are set to the extreme its like im looking at rocks in Gears 1 back in the mid 00's
Kinda wild BOTW from 2017 still looks considerably more solid than pretty much anything this game has made.
no. it could be they are trying to conserve memory resources for something. either texture variety, high quality textures on certain models, or, at worse, they have a bad memory allocation issue.
I think the fresnel highlight is a way to hide the muddiness of the texture work
seems like battling is taking a backseat period this time out. Think exploring and catching will be the main focus, That or there will be more unrunnable fights
I'm cool with it. Trainer battles have been bad for a while. They offer so little satisfaction now that I even avoid them a lot of the time, so I don't really feel like I'm losing anything.
Sure, I'd love a game with better trainer battles over a game with none. Fixing them would be better than removing them, but until they make the change I'd rather ride my deer around a semi open world dodging lightning bolts than walk down a linear route being interrupted by every two-bit hiker with their four geodudes.
I don't think there are no trainer battles. but they might be something of a climax, as in, when they happen, real shit is going down
looks like I got my answer about priority moves. moves like aqua jet act as agile moves. when makes me wonder what happens when you select agile form
EDIT: looks like you can't select forms with moves like Aqua Jet and Swords dance
also, the girl is named Akari, while the boy is Rei, going by the file names
I've never played the game so I have no idea what the game needs to have in it
Doom and Wolfenstein run on the switch, and those devs don't have nearly the amount of close ties that Gamefreak has with Nintendo.. and this is all they can do? Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game at heart and looks better than this..
I mean it looks fun but there's no excuse for these graphics. It's actually embarrassing. I'm pretty sure why this is happening, too. There's probably a ton of young talent at Gamefreak that could do a lot better, held back by "the old guard" that has been around since the early days, that is still sitting on the senior and lead positions and truly does not know wtf they're doing anymore on these modern systems. It's painfully obvious. It's the same reason why games like Elex 2 look the way they do.
I wish they'd give their younger talent a crack at making something from scratch.
I mean it looks fun but there's no excuse for these graphics. It's actually embarrassing. I'm pretty sure why this is happening, too. There's probably a ton of young talent at Gamefreak that could do a lot better, held back by "the old guard" that has been around since the early days, that is still sitting on the senior and lead positions and truly does not know wtf they're doing anymore on these modern systems. It's painfully obvious. It's the same reason why games like Elex 2 look the way they do.
I wish they'd give their younger talent a crack at making something from scratch.
Or they are rendering a crap ton of landscape/Pokémon profiles/AI/who else knows what? I really doubt GameFreak just "makes" their games look "bad" because they supposedly don't know what they are doing. You are under the assumption like many others who complain about what GameFreak presents (in a way because you don't personally like it) that they simply do not innovate when moving through technologies.
I'd wager a high bet they have some bloody talented people on their team, and what they deliver is not to piss supposed fans off but because it's what they want.
They have been locked into this relentless output cycle more than anything. I don't think its just because of senior devs being out of touch with tech.
I'll never understand the weird undercurrent of these sorts of posts that make development of a Pokemon game sound like it's easy and that people on the dev team set out to make a game with underwhelming graphics. Also the strange fanfiction of those damn olds holding back the young.
They may be a little less frequent but I think this game will have some enemy Trainers, likely near the other settlements
looks like I got my answer about priority moves. moves like aqua jet act as agile moves. when makes me wonder what happens when you select agile form
EDIT: looks like you can't select forms with moves like Aqua Jet and Swords dance
The dots still confuse me somewhat,
22:48 for the time stamp.
It doesn't appear each side represents a specific type, since you can see in the video close combat cycles between the two. At first I thought it was charges you can use in the match but it doesn't seem to be that either.
The only thing I can see is using them does drain more PP than usual.
Graphically - very underwhelming.
im not sure if the answer to this is solely "we need a switch pro" because I don't think the emptiness of the world helps either.
Gameplay wise, better than I thought it would be. I'm intrigued to see more.
im not sure if the answer to this is solely "we need a switch pro" because I don't think the emptiness of the world helps either.
Gameplay wise, better than I thought it would be. I'm intrigued to see more.
the dots look like affectiveness, given Hisuian Growlithe is fire/rock
The ultimate battle system would have been simply making it real time with cooldowns. Stuff like quick attack, etc benefit from cooldown reductions, and having to aim it properly to hit the enemy. ATB seems like a compromise to eventually get there, but I think the game would be much more interesting with real time and dynamic combat
It's not fanfiction, it's the truth. You're free to believe what you want, but you can ask pretty much any game developer that has ever worked for a small traditional studio and they'll tell you the same thing. This stuff is extremely common in the games industry.
This industry moves so fast, if you're not keeping up and learning new things all the time you fall behind. And if you've worked at a company for 20+ years you have very little incentive to keep up with the learning, and then you end up getting these old folks at the top that are - yes - actually out of touch with modern game developement.
Again, no clue if this is what is happening here but it's definitely extremely likely. No one sets out to make an underwhelming looking game, but it's usually what the sort of arrogance of "I'm right I've been here for 20 years, and the people under me are not" leads to that a lot of people in leadership positions seemingly have.
As an example, Piranha Bytes. They make some fairly established european RPGs, dunno if you've heard of them. Their games are always fun and good but also extremely ugly and outdated. I know a few people that actually left the company because they were fed up with the people at the top acting in exactly the way I was describing. To the point where they'd not even let the people touch some of the old engine code 'cause it's "sacred" because they "wrote it themselves" like 20 years ago.
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I don't want an action based Pokemon game. Especially when Pokemon's current turn based system is super good when it's allowed to actually shine
Thank you for your input. It's interesting hearing from a pro.
TPC just works this way in general. Even if the devs at Game Freak wanted to they would not likely be afforded twice the time.
Some of the game mechanic stuff maybe to do with direction sure, but the production pipeline is what it is outside of the "old generation" or whatever.
This isn't a problem that's unique to gaming either. You'll find software developers that, due to a lack of external factors pushing them to change, are continuing to work under exactly the same tech stack for over a decade. Perhaps it's not the developer themselves, but just an old system that's doing it's job well enough.
GameFreak has been obscenely successful doing things their own way. Perhaps that's reason enough for them improve things at a snail's pace
stat buffs are shown by the health bar
and using styles drain PP faster
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and using styles drain PP faster
Pokemon Legends - Arceus - 28th Jan 2022 *Official Content Only*
Stantler finally received an evolution with Wyrdeer, which is a very welcome addition. Hopefully Stantler and Wyrdeer will receive a new Fighting type coverage move after the loss of Jump Kick, since I assume that it won't return in PL:A. Close Combat is a plausible candidate, considering its...
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