This can't be real. I refuse to accept that they're THAT stupid. It's just too unbelievable.I mean, I saw this floating around twitter:
This is just... Like I said, this is a level of incompetence I've never seen from a professional studio before.
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Only Pokémon in Galar Pokédex can be transferred to Sword & Shield from Pokémon Home; similar restrictions intended for subsequent titles
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This time, maybe.
Are you new to the series? Game Freak are absolutely this hopeless.
I mean, I saw this floating around twitter:
This is just... Like I said, this is a level of incompetence I've never seen from a professional studio before.
Persona 3 and 4 do something similar to this.
It's not hugely uncommon for memory limited systems to have games doing this because it's less ram intensive to be able to load/unload a specific model with the limited number of animations required for that scene than it is to have one model that can be brought in to every scene.
Storage space is an easier restriction to bypass than physical memory limitations.
And the interviews are from the pre-shitstorm period as well I assume?
I wonder if they'll come out with some sort of official response.
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Someone looked at the code back in 2017:
The tweet in question:
Yeah, I think you should make a separate thread for this.
Really helps put into light why they're having such issues, assuming they're continuing this philosophy for Sword & Shield.
Or maybe not?
I clearly don't know anything about coding.
Yes, because those are features that
- No one asked for
- GF themselves are gonna scrap the next generation anyways, like Z moves
So yeah, all the support and focus should go in making all the Pokémon available for battles, and then start adding whatever they're able to fit in the super tight deadlines they themselves set.
There's an Octillery image in one building. I don't think they'd be as cruel as to make references to Pokémon that won't make the cut (though Let's Go made some nods to all the Eeveelutions)
Bellossom was in as a cardboard stand in SMUSUM but the line didn't appear in the game
To be honest none of us know anything about how the code for the games work, there could be thousands of reasons why it's implemented this way that aren't "incompetence".
The decision to purge some Pokémon is more of a case of "we ran out of time" + "you'll buy it anyway".
The decision to purge some Pokémon is more of a case of "we ran out of time" + "you'll buy it anyway".
Sun & Moon had Slurpuff as the mascot of Malasada shops. Slurpuff wasn't in Alola
Honestly I would prefer to have 150 new pokemon and 0 returning pokemon. Not this shitty half step of a regional dex being a complete gamble of what pokemon show up entirely.
Cant do that because Pikachu.
I've thought more about this decision and no matter how they slice the selections, I don't want to support this method of cutting pokemon. It's a huge change for this series and the way it's being handled as well as the seemingly untrue animation and balance excuse, and I just dont want to continue supporting this series if they're going to keep cutting corners like they have been since XY. First new gen I dont buy.
Cant do that because Pikachu.
I've thought more about this decision and no matter how they slice the selections, I don't want to support this method of cutting pokemon. It's a huge change for this series and the way it's being handled as well as the seemingly untrue animation and balance excuse, and I just dont want to continue supporting this series if they're going to keep cutting corners like they have been since XY. First new gen I dont buy.
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It could still appear in the game.
Galar is supposedly a completely walled off nation, apparently.
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5th gen did that, but then had the world open up after beating N.
I mean, that's your opinion. Plenty of people love the petting stuff even though I don't personally care about it, so new features that are widely popular can stick. The more they add up, though, the more work it becomes to support all the Pokémon.
They can't do that because doing that is part of the reason they're in this mess in the first place
Similarly you had Rotom Dex, but Rotom's wasn't in the Alolan pokedex, and not catchable at all in Sun and Moon. You could only get one through Island Scan in US and UM.
Oh, really? This is interesting. Never worked with memory-limited systems before so this was a TIL for me.
I showed this to my roommate, who is a professional coder and programmer, and he refused to believe that this was real.I mean, I saw this floating around twitter:
This is just... Like I said, this is a level of incompetence I've never seen from a professional studio before.
Can someone explain a bit more. If I play let's go pikachu can I not transfer pikachu or something? I don't know what galar Dex is.
Came across this highly upvoted and awarded post in /r/pokemon about all of this. It looks at recent Pokemon games and how extremely unremarkable they've been for a franchise of this size.
This whole issue is starting to extend beyond the transfer restrictions and is becoming an indictment on Game Freak as a developer. People have had enough.
This whole issue is starting to extend beyond the transfer restrictions and is becoming an indictment on Game Freak as a developer. People have had enough.
Galar Dex is the Regional Pokédex for the next region. So if, for example, Arcanine isn't catchable in the wild in SwSh, you literally can't transfer him and he's stuck in Pokémon Home (which is an one-way trip) or in your old games until Game Freak decides you can use Arcanine again and includes him in a Regional Dex in the future.
Apparently the model thing seems like it's a thing devs do for limited memory systems, so it's probably fine.
I'm not sure about the above topic, however someone looked at the code and, yeah, that's what they found:
Galar Pokédex is the Regional Pokédex.
We have 172 catalogued thus far
https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/galarpokedex.shtml
Pokemon Sword and Shield will probably have around 300-400 Pokemon that you can go out and catch in the world. Most games in the past have been like this as well. But past games allowed you to transfer your Pokemon from previous games into the newer games, even if you couldn't catch them in the world.
With Pokemon Sword and Shield, the only Pokemon that can be transferred into the game have to already be one of the 300-400 Pokemon that already appear in the Galar region. This means at least 50% of Pokemon (depending on just how many there are in Galar) become completely unusable going forward.
That's a touching story. Did you hyper train him? That way it would be perfectly fit for competitive.
Me you and Buizel can hang out. If Floatzel's coming, I'm busy.
Exactly
They're animated in Let's Go!
The "make sense for region" stuff is obviously a pretext.
That's not selfish, you just enjoy the anime more. And that's fine.
Selfish would be you starting with how little you care about this because you never play he games anyway
falseswipe gaming is screwed
"how good was rege ice actually
now for gen 8 just didn't exist, taken out of canon, got nothing"
"how good was rege ice actually
now for gen 8 just didn't exist, taken out of canon, got nothing"
His disbelief came from the fact that they're a multimillion dollar company and they're "programming their main title games like it's a weekend long game jam."
To be honest I'm the same way with Yu-Gi-Oh where the implementation of new mechanics didn't bother me as long as the new series was good...
(Arc-V was but the next one...)
Although I'll be honest I'm not even saying I think the games are turning shit either. I actually still am looking forward to Sword and Shield. It looks like an improvement over Sun and Moon, which I still put about 40 hours into.
Yeah, even my boyfriend, a computer major, was baffled at it. Said that "the programming looks like someone's senior project".
Basically yeah. Watch that be removed next game though.
Edit: Well it doesn't really touch the IVs, but it acts as a modifier that treats it like it has perfect IVs.
Well, at least we could eventually bring them over through Pokémon Bank back then, so they were technically in the game at some point
I love the petting stuff too (which already exists for 807 Pokémon btw) but I would've understood, and was actually expecting it to be removed at some point, given how much they love abandoning features. I was ready for Sylveon to get a new evolution method like a Ribbon stone or some sort of special candy lol
It's just, the basic thing in a Pokémon game. The Pokémon.
I mean, you're in charge of a Pokémon game, where do you start? I would personally start by making sure all the existing Pokémon are in, for the battles, even before introducing the new Pokés, additional animations, additional features. I think it's just something we all assumed (given all the negative reactions).
I've been saying it, and someone made a comment a few pages ago too that I liked, but I can't find it lol But it went along the lines of they'll be left behind by the technology advances.
The Switch is more than capable of hosting 900+ Pokémon, and future consoles will only get better, faster and more robust. They're obviously not ready for it with their current staff and with other projects they have. I just find insane that they came to the conclusion of "it's time to start cutting the Pokémon roster" before saying "it's time to grow the company / outsource other studios".
Haha, holy shit. This whole time, I thought it was just a renamed Super Training.
He has one because even though we are now limited on how many Pokemon we can have in a game they are going to give Charizard another new form with the leaked gigamax (what ever it's called). Like he is one of my favorite pokes but that means they are potentially waisting 4 slots on a Pokemon that is arguably over representated.
And it really shows. These people learned to do basic programming on an 8-bit system and carried those paradigms since then -- and they even seem to teach them to every new hire. Everything in the mainline games seems to be implemented in an inefficient and bad way. Every single technical aspect when analyzed under a microscope. And it has always been like that. People know of the story behind how Iwata (someone from outside GameFreak) fixed the mess that was the original Gold/Silver, but it's not the only one. You just have to follow the hacking scenes or the RNG abusers to see how godawful things are under the hood.
But it was fine. Kind of, sorta, because you could see small evolutions here and there and, one day, they would be on a powerful system that wasn't using ancient CPUs and limited memory and they would hire more people who maybe knew what they were doing.
Yet, here we are. The first signs of trouble: that they were using the same 3DS engine on their first Switch title, Let's Go, and it displayed many of the same problems it had on the goddamn 3DS.
Well, at least we could eventually bring them over through Pokémon Bank back then, so they were technically in the game at some point
I love the petting stuff too (which already exists for 807 Pokémon btw) but I would've understood, and was actually expecting it to be removed at some point, given how much they love abandoning features. I was ready for Sylveon to get a new evolution method like a Ribbon stone or some sort of special candy lol
It's just, the basic thing in a Pokémon game. The Pokémon.
I mean, you're in charge of a Pokémon game, where do you start? I would personally start by making sure all the existing Pokémon are in, for the battles, even before introducing the new Pokés, additional animations, additional features. I think it's just something we all assumed (given all the negative reactions).
I've been saying it, and someone made a comment a few pages ago too that I liked, but I can't find it lol But it went along the lines of they'll be left behind by the technology advances.
The Switch is more than capable of hosting 900+ Pokémon, and future consoles will only get better, faster and more robust. They're obviously not ready for it with their current staff and with other projects they have. I just find insane that they came to the conclusion of "it's time to start cutting the Pokémon roster" before saying "it's time to grow the company / outsource other studios".
Yeah, for the record, I agree that having all the Pokémon in should be the first and foremost focus.
As someone who's last Pokemon game was Gold and Silver, can someone explain this thread to me as if I were a five-year-old? What's Pokemon Home and the Galar Pokedex?
Essentially, what does this mean? I see the reactions but I'm not quite understanding it.
Essentially, what does this mean? I see the reactions but I'm not quite understanding it.
Certain Pokémon species will not be compatible with Sword and Shield. This is the first time a main series entry has effectively cut down on the number of Pokémon, removing some from the roster. Game Freak has indicated that going forward, no games will have the full roster of Pokémon.
So now the discussion has gone from "ooo what Pokémon are they going to add" to "oh fuck what are they going to take away".
Half the Pokédex got deleted Infinity War style.
People who wanted to transfer those Pokémon to Galar have to keep them in Pokémon Home, which is a phone app coming next year that will likely have an annual fee.
They won't be able to battle, train, or breed certain species. Their data does not exist in the mainline games anymore. Gamefreak is gatekeeping which Pokémon you're allowed to play with in which games.
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