No. Because there will still be hundreds of pokemon that can go into Sword and Shield. And likely other games that will be coming out supporting more.
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Only Pokémon in Galar Pokédex can be transferred to Sword & Shield from Pokémon Home; similar restrictions intended for subsequent titles
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No. Because there will still be hundreds of pokemon that can go into Sword and Shield. And likely other games that will be coming out supporting more.
Yes the rational thing to do is call them out on this and not support them.
Are we able to pick and choose what pokemon go to home from bank?
They would have eventually had to tell people after pitching peole bullshit two weeks ago. Stop defending them. They don't deserve it.
if I'm intentionally not putting Pokemon into the service that's supposed to be where they want me to keep all my Pokemon because they'll be trapped there until a game possibly comes out that supports them, what does that say about the service they're providing
No, that's what you don't seem to fucking get. If it was a deliberate lie, they could have easily have just kept it up until Home came out. I don't get how you don't fucking get this.
Masuda said it to our faces 8 months ago! He said he would implement a system to transfer all our data. He lied.
A rational adult wouldn't assume the arrows mean "only some things are transferable back and forth". Like look at what you're arguing.
I agree. Developers aren't your friends. You don't own them anything. As long as you stay civil complaining is the only thing that will make a change
Honestly, if we knew this news before WooLoo was revealed you'd probably have some people pretty mad that it might "take Mareep's place"
Just be rational and assume the exact opposite of what everyone understood that image to mean.
Maybe it wasn't a "deliberate lie" or whatever, but it was a fucking terrible image to use to describe this service, it should have said "not all pokemon can be transferred to SwSh on it".
I also think this could be a Japanese thing because phone games are so prevalent there, where they think a lot of people actually want to have their pokemon stuck on their phone rather than in an actual game.
Maybe it wasn't a "deliberate lie" or whatever, but it was a fucking terrible image to use to describe this service, it should have said "not all pokemon can be transferred to SwSh on it".
I also think this could be a Japanese thing because phone games are so prevalent there, where they think a lot of people actually want to have their pokemon stuck on their phone rather than in an actual game.
There are programming things that are done to the pokemon when you transfer them that allows them to then be transferred into other stuff. There had to be some new app to facilitate any sort of transferring.
That's where I stand, I am normally day one for pokemon games but now I probably will not get sword and shield, It's a shame.
They wouldn't have been able to do this after announcing it and getting stuck at E3 with questions about this constantly.
A rational adult wouldn't assume something and then get upset about it period.
I don't preorder games. I wait to get all the information I want and then buy them after.
I don't think anyone is defending it. I haven't seen anyone, at least.
Expressing an understanding for why the decision may have been made is different than saying it was a good decision.
Of course, just buy sword and shield and pretend everything is ok
Wow what a plan
Just to reiterate for those joining the conversation: the big concern at the moment is that, after a year or two, Pokemon Bank will likely be sunsetted in favor of Pokemon Home. With Bank, you can move your Pokemon into Ultra Sun/Moon (which support every single Pokemon) if you aren't able to pay. If you leave them in an expired Bank account, they are deleted forever after a grace period. This is likely to be the case with Home. So... if you are forced to move your Pokemon into Home because the only alternative is locking them to the 3DS for an eternity, but then cannot place them safely in your Sword/Shield file... they are effectively holding your Pokemon hostage. And, even if people skip Sword and Shield over this controversy, Game Freak and the Pokemon Company are CERTAIN that people will pay this price because the core of the franchise is and always had been building strong emotional bonds with your Pokemon.
There are a few ways this can be made okay:
1. Pokemon Home is free. Yay! This is no longer a hostage situation and is just an excellent service, though the lack of in-game utility may still be disappointing.
2. Pokemon Home is available at a one time fee. This isn't spectacular, but at least we will never run the risk of permanently losing Pokemon we've had for 15 years just because Nintendo didn't send a reminder to renew the subscription.
3. Pokemon Home will never permanently delete Pokemon, opting instead to bar access to them until the subscription is renewed. This is also pretty scummy, but nowhere near as bad as the current outlook.
4. Maintain Pokemon Bank. With the introduction of Home, Bank is becoming a redundant service. If they opt to maintain it despite the functional overlaps, however, players could still be comfortable keeping their Pokemon on 3DS. This would be best paired with the ability to send Pokemon back to Bank from Home.
5. Pokemon Home is far more robust than anyone anticipated. If the application includes opportunities for battling, trading, breeding, etc. then this would be much easier for people to swallow. This is highly unlikely because these interactions are core to the RPG titles, which may divert sales from those games.
6. Pokemon Sword and Shield are supported with patches which allow all Pokemon to be imported into Galar, even if functionality is limited. This is the IDEAL scenario for most players, hence why they are arguing most ardently in favor of it.
There are a few ways this can be made okay:
1. Pokemon Home is free. Yay! This is no longer a hostage situation and is just an excellent service, though the lack of in-game utility may still be disappointing.
2. Pokemon Home is available at a one time fee. This isn't spectacular, but at least we will never run the risk of permanently losing Pokemon we've had for 15 years just because Nintendo didn't send a reminder to renew the subscription.
3. Pokemon Home will never permanently delete Pokemon, opting instead to bar access to them until the subscription is renewed. This is also pretty scummy, but nowhere near as bad as the current outlook.
4. Maintain Pokemon Bank. With the introduction of Home, Bank is becoming a redundant service. If they opt to maintain it despite the functional overlaps, however, players could still be comfortable keeping their Pokemon on 3DS. This would be best paired with the ability to send Pokemon back to Bank from Home.
5. Pokemon Home is far more robust than anyone anticipated. If the application includes opportunities for battling, trading, breeding, etc. then this would be much easier for people to swallow. This is highly unlikely because these interactions are core to the RPG titles, which may divert sales from those games.
6. Pokemon Sword and Shield are supported with patches which allow all Pokemon to be imported into Galar, even if functionality is limited. This is the IDEAL scenario for most players, hence why they are arguing most ardently in favor of it.
Is this something they really wanted? I mean really? Most of the news surrounding the game now is this. There were two new Pokemon reveled on the show floor and I'm not even aware of any reactions towards them. Granted Yamper was already kind of leaked but we got to see what it looks like, and we also got an imp Pokemon Impidimp, a first and a more western lored creature which I'm more interested in seeing inspire new designs. will definitely be using it. I didn't even know about them until later on because mostly everyone was building up rage from the Pokemon Home News. This is hugely negative PR and its completely consuming the media coverage about the game, how did no one out of the three holders of the brand see this coming a mile away?
I was told I didn't have to buy let's go either.
So is that it now? I'm just done with Pokemon games because they're not "for me" anymore because the main appeal of the franchise doesn't exist.
Fucking wonderful, what a great series.
Rational adults are allowed to be upset when theyre misled. Like the entire fanbase was.
I haven't preordered anything, so yay me
If you don't like the games anymore then I mean yeah? Not entirely sure what you're point is. I was never defending the transferring thing. We were discussing whether or not Nintendo was intentionally trying to deceive people for their preorders.
yes, I'm aware of that. the issue isn't that the service doesn't do a good job of transferring Pokemon - it's that the games I would want to transfer my Pokemon to won't be able to take them, and if I make a mistake when cross-checking the compatibility spreadsheet when I'm moving a Pokemon I lose access to it for potentially years. this wasn't an issue with Bank, because Gen VI and Gen VII were 99.9% backwards-compatible and I could safely drop all my Pokemon into a new game without having to worry about them being stuck there
Exactly. There's no such thing as 'just leave them in the 3DS'. Bank will die sooner or later.
Also, someone should put a threadmark on this.
Well that means the app isn't as good as you wanted it to be. It doesn't mean it's useless.
I'm specifically talking about the one poster who posted a twitter thread of a bunch of people defending, I wasn't talking about anyone here at the moment.
I can only guess that Home is supposed to be some kind of compromise? Like if your favorite mon didn't get into Sword/Shield you can still "play" with them in Home or something? The name "Home" sort of implies at least some kind of Tamogatchi/Nintendogs/pet simulator kind of thing to me but maybe I'm extrapolating hard. And it's still technically serving its purpose because you can still transfer your Charizard from Pokemon GO and you can transfer your Bewear from Pokemon Moon as they are both in the Galar Pokedex.
But it just doesn't really seem worth it to me. Because if you theoretically have access to all of the Pokemon in the Galar Pokedex in Pokemon Sword and Shield itself what's the point of a Middleman? Is your Charizard from Pokemon GO really worth a subscription service? Will some Pokemon like Charizard be unobtainable in the main game of Sword and Shield in order to push that subscription service?
But it just doesn't really seem worth it to me. Because if you theoretically have access to all of the Pokemon in the Galar Pokedex in Pokemon Sword and Shield itself what's the point of a Middleman? Is your Charizard from Pokemon GO really worth a subscription service? Will some Pokemon like Charizard be unobtainable in the main game of Sword and Shield in order to push that subscription service?
if the optimal use for the app that is advertised as "a home for all your Pokemon" is to not put some Pokemon in it, is it really a home for all my Pokemon
If that Home image isn't misleading, why did literally everyone assume that all of your Pokemon in Home could be transferred to Gen 8 prior to this bombshell announcement? They had two big chances to clarify prior to this, but (for some reason) chose a livestream where fewer people were watching. I wonder why.
If it locks you out of using things that you transferred in hopes of transferring them to the most recent game, then yes. It's very useless, and you're paying money for that service.
Not useless just worse than the app that is supposed to replace.
I dont understand the connection
Lets GO was clearly telegraphed to be what it was. A remake and small scale on ramp for now players as well as a place to test their new ideas
Hell Gen 8 was announced in the same breath
What is the point of scapegoating outside of needing something to blame for this outcome
The blame can easily be placed on more sensible factors that have been echoed in this thread since it started
How? Not being able to transfer everything doesn't negate the fact that it still acts as a transfer mechanism with other cloud based features.
The app that it's replacing could only be used on a console they are no longer making games for.
I'm gonna repeat this again. This:
Is not that different to this:
People's assumptions to Pokemon Home is based after their previous services, one that we were told in the past that it would also be the place where our Pokemon will be able to be carried into future gens. Bank allowed us to use 99% of our legacy Pokemon (things like spikey pichu were excluded) into the new gen. How is it our fault for assuming that this would be the same case for Sword and Shield when Game Freak themselves announced Home as the same core ideas as Bank but with more features?
Is not that different to this:
People's assumptions to Pokemon Home is based after their previous services, one that we were told in the past that it would also be the place where our Pokemon will be able to be carried into future gens. Bank allowed us to use 99% of our legacy Pokemon (things like spikey pichu were excluded) into the new gen. How is it our fault for assuming that this would be the same case for Sword and Shield when Game Freak themselves announced Home as the same core ideas as Bank but with more features?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming Gen 1 fans here even if they did defend that BS
I'm saying Gamefreak probably thought the acceptance vs pushback would be similar.
Boy were they wrong.
Again, no one was saying it was anyone's fault. The discussion was about whether or not Nintendo was intentionally trying to deceive people for 6 days.
Which obviously isn't the case.
They came out after LGPE and specifically said the next game would be for "core fans" and would be a traditional title.
They wasted time and manpower on LGPE instead of using it for Sword and Shield so this exact situation didn't happen.
I think it absolutely is, They thought it would be okay with handling it that way. They were intentionally misleading people with the home app announcement.
Thats speculation at best
I personally like the game and some of the ideas presented that found their way into Gen 8
The issue people are having has nothing to do with Lets Go and everything to do with... whatever it is that led them to make this call. Likely lack of resources mind bogglingly
And until we understand the business practices and allocation of resources/design goals and who sets these decisions in stone thats the key.
Lets Go was harmless like many of their other side projects but people assume its somehow directly related or the cause of S&S's issues which I dont see evidence for
You have receipts?
Stop with the whole mob mentality stuff. Claiming someone is trolling because they don't buy into some silly conspiracy is a joke.
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