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Pokémon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl Remakes Announced for Nintendo Switch, Launching WW in late 2021
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2. I don't want them either, but that's more an argument for them not making dumb gimmicks in the first place than for not bring forward features and expanding on them
3. If this is a game for kids then your patience as an adult isn't really relevant, right? If kids can manage Minecraft they can manage routes that resemble the older games. I'm not saying to bring back HMs, those were just bad design, just more complexity than a squiggly line with some branches
4. If it was fine people wouldn't be asking for the Battle Frontier with every new game. The point is, they clearly put effort into making raising Pokemon less tedious, but in game (if you don't have online) you pretty much only have the regional Battle Tower version
these are remakes because they're not using the assets of the DS games. they've recreated everything. surely you know what a port means? a port means taking a game and making it run on another hardware, which clearly isn't the case here.
But the original games were "chibi". I prefer this and my brain filling in the gaps than modern Pokemon where the people all look this insane:
This is confusing to me. I'm focused on the person saying it because they are the ones being inflammatory. Art is emotional and personal. That's the whole point of it. To create something that connects with other people and brings value to their lives. People should be finding art that they connect to (and that includes purposefully depressing and aggressive art, as finding someone that experiences similar emotion to you can lead to a positive state).
So when someone's reaction to art is to insult it (with no actual insight, ie "disgusting", "shitty", "hideous"), then they should not be surprised that someone else feels hurt by that. The whole point of art is an emotional reaction. And I'm not saying you shouldn't think something is shitty. I'm saying that when you express that a piece of art is shitty in a public forum, some people that like it will feel hurt and they will respond in the only way that inflammatory statement allows. They are not feeling something different from what was said, they are feeling exactly what was meant.
That and HGSS ironically enough. But enough people in recent years seem to have completely forgotten how rough non-3rd games used to be. A lot of polls I've followed on Reddit and YouTube have been rating Diamond and Pearl among if the at the series best for a the last few years. The only games that can occasionally top it are GS and BW.
Only thing I dislike are those ugly chibi models, besides that this looks better than Sword and Shield but not better than the originals unfortunately.
But there are so many gimmicks throughout the years in Pokemon, that saying "don't get rid of some, just build up on all of them" is unfeasible. We've had poffins, secret bases, max raid battles, fossil harvesting, contests, etc.
If you want to bring something up and make better, fine. But the idea of bringing literally everything back to me sounds like a crowded and messy game. Usually the things that are cut are replaced by something else or some new feature. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.
Based on GF's history I really don't think that's a safe assumption.
This one looks weird to me. It's like they're going for a similar chibi style to LGPE, but lower fidelity, with less stylized textures that end up making everything look pretty drab. Almost mobile-gamey.
This game looks like it should precede LGPE. By a few years.
But the truth is the other way around? Very strange.
Sinnoh enthusiasts you have my sympathy today. Left to right this looks like a before and after...
Not every gameplay experiment from LGPE was a success but the game was very pretty. Chef's kiss artstyle as far as I'm concerned.
This one...not so much. It looks like development began on 3DS and got moved to Switch after a long stall.
At least Pokemon Legends looks like a pretty fun experiment. I'm still happy today because I have that and Snap to look forward to.
I also think it's generally positive news that they let another developer handle this remake so they could internally focus on a big project like Legends. Unfortunately the developer they chose...well... results don't look great.
I hope it's at least got all the platinum stuff. Yeesh.
There's a meme somewhere in here about LGPE resenting how people trashed it when it released and are now missing it.
I wish it looked more like that. The lighting and character models just look kind of flat and cheap by comparison.
Link's Awakening's tilt shift / toy aesthetic worked so well.
It fucking insane. Is the bar really THAT low for a Pokemon game ?
This remind me of what sega did with Sega AGES on ps2.
But the original games were "chibi". I prefer this and my brain filling in the gaps than modern Pokemon where the people all look this insane:
The overworld sprites were. The art style wasn't. And your example is an example of bad character design, not the art style. These would look just as dumb with a chibi art style too
Has there been considerable improvement from reveal -> release for a mainline pokemon in the past?
The first one is the hardest one. There's light on the other side.
well this isn't developed by them 😬
i can see tho that i'm more optimistic than others here. we'll see.
But the original games were "chibi". I prefer this and my brain filling in the gaps than modern Pokemon where the people all look this insane:
You picked out the dumbest characters who are literal jokes on sword and shield.
I don't get this comparison at all.
The Link's Awakening remake is gorgeous. I love how it goes for an almost toy-like look.
Diamond and Pearl remake isn't even close to that level of vision and cohesion.
I can't remember it happening since X/Y. As far as I remember most Pokemon game look basically the same on reveal as they do on release.
Eh. Looks cute.
My expectations are down to a neat-looking version of Diamond and Pearl that run much better than the originals, and with Legends coming soon after, I can live with that.
X and Y looked substantially better at launch than they did on reveal.
My expectations are down to a neat-looking version of Diamond and Pearl that run much better than the originals, and with Legends coming soon after, I can live with that.
X and Y looked substantially better at launch than they did on reveal.
What do you mean by this? I've watched it several times and I'm not seeing this.
At best I could see the background of the battles, but if that's all you're talking about then you're clearly missing the point.
I was agreeing with you for more post game content. Not saying the current content is fine.
I actually think I agree with your more expanded points because I looked at what you said as "just make it like the old games" when there were cases of just throwing in whatever and annoying mechanics that extended the lenght of the game, not a legitimate challenge. I dislike the games post BW mostly because of the fact they just felt like cheap gimmicks. Mega Evo, Zmoves and Gigantamax are dumb and add nothing to Pokemon's relatively simple battle system.
Regional Variants however are actually really cool because they act like remixes of old Pokemon that are permanent and not temporary.
That's appreciated, but I honestly believe Sinnoh's visuals look just as fine as LGPE's, at least per the screenshots you've selected.
For me I was just expecting a game that was both D/P and also continued where Sw/Sh left off. So new designs for the characters, some new forms for legendaries, maybe even some new max forms in postgame and the ability to connect with Sw/Sh and possibly add the rest of the missing mons into the meta.
This is more like a self-contained facelift of D/P. The trainers look the same. Dialga and Palkia are the same. It's just D/P on Switch. Which is gonna be fun in its own way, but I'm left feeling disappointed.
Yeah for me this is definitely a wait for more info game. If it doesn't have platinum content it's a sure pass from me. Will get it down the line to experience the games but won't buy it new
No, but we usually find about the cut features later in the dev cycle.
i can't believe there are people defending how this looks or saying it "looks fine" and acting bewildered by some peoples' reactions
To think that this is 15 years of difference in the fast-evolving tech world...
Can you imagine how stupidly good the game could look instead if it were developed by e.g. Vicarious Vision?
But nah, you got me GF and TCP. After calling GF out to be one of the possibly least technically apt developers, they've shown me it can be worse. All it took was a studio's first real foray into game development. 😒
The closest I believe would be the X/Y, Sun/Moon, and Sword/Shield reveal -> release.
The water first of all lol the shadows are definitely better than what a 3ds could do just by looking the the dusk scene. Is it cutting edge? No but saying it looks like a 3ds game is just down right wrong lol.
Pokemon Masters has much better graphics in comparison.
This is the second time in a Pokémon thread that someone has told me there's such a thing as having too much content in a game and I just don't understand it. We're not talking about things that would result in a bloated campaign here, either. We're talking about features that are in many cases optional and add to the games. It's not like the base Sword and Shield games are brimming with things to do.
This also goes into the discussion about Platinum content. With the remakes, I just don't see an argument for not including content that was already added on to their third versions.
as someone that started with pearl as a kid, I really don't like the look of these games. excluding the platinum content and playing it off as a "faithful recreation" of the originals just seems entirely cynical to me.
why would I want to play this when I could play the better looking game with more content, platinum? there's no way this remake has stuff like the battle frontier. at best we'll get the battle tower, though I wouldn't be surprised if that gets the chop too.
there's a lot of emphasis on the game being a remake of "diamond and pearl", with no mention of platinum. I really hope this game has the platinum Dex at least, since the DP roster had serious issues (almost no fire types for one). I really hope it's not a let's go deal where we can't even trade over Pokémon that weren't in the originals
why would I want to play this when I could play the better looking game with more content, platinum? there's no way this remake has stuff like the battle frontier. at best we'll get the battle tower, though I wouldn't be surprised if that gets the chop too.
there's a lot of emphasis on the game being a remake of "diamond and pearl", with no mention of platinum. I really hope this game has the platinum Dex at least, since the DP roster had serious issues (almost no fire types for one). I really hope it's not a let's go deal where we can't even trade over Pokémon that weren't in the originals
I meant more that the switch to HD has encouraged their character designers to feel like they need to make every NPC a ridiculous caricature with appendage-hair. Exhibit B:
Some of Diamond/Pearl's gym leaders are silly looking but they aren't this level of mess.
I don't think chibi translates into 3d in a way that looks good in any way, especially when we know what more fleshed out characters look like (Especially when those character models are in the battles). I'm sure it was meant as an intentional artistic choice, and I think it was a bad one given how nice Let's Go looked.But the original games were "chibi". I prefer this and my brain filling in the gaps than modern Pokemon where the people all look this insane:
If you think the screenshot above demonstrates a bad thing, I strongly disagree. The character designs are funny without the bizarre and off-putting body proportions that 3d chibi brings. I don't want or need realistic looking characters, I just don't want chibi anything.
They're not being inflammatory at all. If I say something looks shit, it means that the visuals to me look like garbage. Nothing else. If someone else hears my words and comprehends them as "looks like shit and your taste is garbage what a crap person lol can't appreciate art lmfao", then the emotional response is coming from the person who misinterpreted what was actually being said. I get that art is emotional but that doesn't mean that the person gets to take what I said and turn it into a strawman.
It's the same with people who criticize games and the other side is like "shut up and stop talking about negative stuff"