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SM was definitely a big jump over XY, though. The sense of scale change was pretty large, the cutscenes were all much more detailed and complicated, the cities and buildings all had even more attention to detail and stuff within them.
But whether that jump is something you enjoy is a different matter. But they were getting a lot more out of the 3DS with SM than XY.
We have no idea what caused the problems during development but it's safe to assume they would have run into even more trouble if they prioritized having every Pokemon in the game.
Games from here on will be planned with the cut in mind
SWSH was not
Completely different catching, completely different story set up, revamped movement options (dodge roll, sneaking, jumping etc) that tie into the action part of combat where the trainer can get hit, different way to handle turns, move from linear to open environments, climbing and flying everywhere, crafting, missions…
Quite an assumption.
Cutting things from games does not mean they are obligated to add other things in their place. Look at Sword and Shield.
For all we know, this is simply cost cutting on their part.
It's not about getting the nebulous "more content" because we have no idea how much content would or wouldn't be in the game with every Pokemon. It's about being able to design a game around XXX amount of Pokemon, knowing what resources are available and working from there.
You can't point to Sword and Shield as an example because what are you comparing it to? We don't have a version of Sword and Shield with every Pokemon and yet everything else is the same.
I would make the trade off 1000x if having a limited pokedex means we will get higher quality games. Legends Arceus is already a great signal things are changing for the better.
How is it not? Have you seen the trailers? If you're looking for a bigger shake up than that, you're looking for a different game, not mainline Pokémon.
How is it not? Have you seen the trailers? If you're looking for a bigger shake up than that, you're looking for a different game, not mainline Pokémon.
SWSH wasn't developed with the intent to cut, that happened late in development and thus isn't a valid example of what can be done for it.
And it's not cost cutting, and you cannot just throw money at this problem for it to go away
I don't think limiting the amount of Pokemon that appear in each game is going to lead to the games turning into the magical dream games people keep hammering on about. My interpretation was always like, hey guys there's over 1,000 of these fucking things. If we're gonna keep dropping new games every year we have to put a cap on the amount of shit we have to test.
I don't know why people are bringing SwSh into this, they did the cut in Let's Go and we got jack shit out of it, and that was intentional. Don't expect anything extra from these games anymore or them to get better just because they have less monsters to work with.
Yeah, I usually try not to bring up Let's Go in these contexts because it's a very weird game and the debate over whether or not it's mainline is tiring, but it unquestionably has a lot less content than the last time Gen 1 got remade despite having only like 40% of the number Pokémon in the older remake.
The sheer number of Pokémon really isn't the problem. The problem is that Game Freak was overworking themselves for basically the entirety of the 2010s and never truly regained their footing after a rocky transition to 3DS. Things just finally got bad enough that the Pokémon became a casualty of that. With a few notable exceptions, most individual Pokémon, especially ones not appearing in the wild, can be implemented largely in isolation without impacting the broader game, so the primary limiting factors for how many can be included are most likely how big the workforce doing so is and how efficient their tools are.
Fortunately there are some early signs, like BDSP being outsourced, that they may be trying to address at least some of the core issues that have lead to the recent games being underwhelming, but it remains to be seen if it will work or if they'll also reverse course on some of their more controversial design philosophy changes. I do think there's some potential in the cycle they seem to be setting up of:
- Main game that gets updated throughout the generation
- DLC "3rd version"
- Outsourced remake
- Experimental side game (I'm kinda 50/50 on Legends becoming a series, could also just be something different every time)
I don't think anyone pro-dexit believes it will lead to dream games or some magical difference. People just accept that developer resources are finite with even the largest developers, and that even the largest developers prioritize and divert resources around. It's an acceptance that dev manpower and dev costs are spiraling out of control and it's not something you can just throw more people and money at.
It's just something brought up as proof dexit didn't work, but there's nothing to compare it to.
I wonder how many times we'll have to hear that the NEXT gen of Pokemon will be better.
"Just wait til gen 7"
"Gen 7 is clearly a proof of concept. Watch how amazing gen 8 is"
"Gen 8 is definitely struggling cause these things take time but its still awesome. Watch as Gen 9 shows how improved everything is"
Insert how Gen 9 is obviously them trying something new and to get really excited for gen 10
I didn't even mind any of the issues of the other gens save for the battle resort tease in ORAS. This gen is the first time where I'm just tired of seeing everything they do get applauded.
"Just wait til gen 7"
"Gen 7 is clearly a proof of concept. Watch how amazing gen 8 is"
"Gen 8 is definitely struggling cause these things take time but its still awesome. Watch as Gen 9 shows how improved everything is"
Insert how Gen 9 is obviously them trying something new and to get really excited for gen 10
I didn't even mind any of the issues of the other gens save for the battle resort tease in ORAS. This gen is the first time where I'm just tired of seeing everything they do get applauded.
But Gen 7 are the best Pokemon games. I never heard any argument of proof of concept.
I see no reason to believe Gen 9 will be as messy as SwSh. The game clearly had development issues that "talent" or developer count couldn't fix. Speaking of is there any info out there on what the fuck happened with SwSh?
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Broadly speaking, maintaining the Pokémon models is exactly the sort of problem you can just throw more people and money at.
DP are far better than SwSh. There are very few if any mainline games I would put below SwSh. Personally I think GameFreak were at their absolute peak between Gen 4 and 5. Like there is a healthy gap between SwSh and every other Pokemon games outside of XY, and I like Gen 6 and 8.
Why is there talk about some other, future pokemon games, I'm interested in finding out why I should play remakes of Diamond and Pearl, other than "they are now with better graphics". Like if that's all there is to them, I will pass, and that will be that. But it seems sad that the great improvement that is gained by dropping the (to me at least) compelling feature of having a complete pokedex is simply a coat of paint.
To a degree but there's a reason games don't tend to do that. Because it also means maintaining the animations and everything else that goes along with it, especially if they ever want to expand upon them.
Games like RDR2 had 2000 people working on it and there's a reason there was still a limit on how many outfits you could wear and things like that.
Is always this, like tell me what game has more than 1000 unique models and animations? Pokemon is in a pretty unique situation which has effect on other things like no save states due to the fact that individual pokémon can move between games, you can even have a Pokemon from the original Diamon/Pearl into this game
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This was the supposed comment. Someone who speak native French would have a better idea versus machine translation.
Is that account even an official one? I smell bullshit.
We have nothing to go on right now, they've basically revealed nothing about these games outside of the two trailers.
The only thing we know about these games at the moment is that they're Diamond and Pearl with "better" graphics and some tweaks to the gameplay here and there. We know they've expanded the Underground feature to add more Pokemon in the game that weren't easily available in base D/P and there's moves and types that were added later in the series included. So right now it's looking like a remixed Diamond and Pearl.
If your baseline for being interested in this was being able to transfer Pokemon from Black/White-onward into the game then no it's likely not going to be for you.
Hey hum, I've seen you repeatedly claim this. Do you happen to have any evidence?
Don't even need to go that far, just look at Let's Go. It's worse than it's GBA counterpart.
Forced Motion Controls to catch pokemon if you are playing docked. My word...
Of the 234 pokemon that didn't make it into SwSh, if BDSP is having all from 1 to 493, that means only 63 pokemon are left from Gens 5 through 7 that haven't made it onto the Switch. Thought you'd be interested to know.
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I get the dexit and honestly don't care that not every Pokemon is available to transfer to each game. My problem is that we are getting a game with dexit in mind, BDSP, and it just doesn't look great. It's artistically bland, graphically unimpressive and seemingly new content barren.
Pokemon recently feels like a series of sacrifices with no pay off. I'm hoping Arceus is that but I'm not expecting it to be.
Pokemon recently feels like a series of sacrifices with no pay off. I'm hoping Arceus is that but I'm not expecting it to be.
Leaks from SWSH's early development showed plans for every Pokémon, including Megas, to be included
I will never understand why the motion controls were so forced. Imagine being a fan of pokemon but you have a disability and are unable to play it because the game requires you to mimic a throw.
"But Hero_Select, if you play portable you only press a button to throw the ball!" - Then why can't I just fucking use my damn Pro controller? It's baffling.
All you honestly need is a grachomp. It can 0vs6 anything the game throws at you. Make sure to run Iron head or firefang if those pesky fairies gets in.
This! Gen 7 is better than whatever their favorite gen is, so I stand my ground 💅
The consensus seems to be that the models broke in shifting to the modified engine on new hardware and so they had to reimplement bits which takes a hell of a long time for the amount of models/animations. 1100+ unique models with dozens of animations; that'd take years with hundreds of staff
Here's the imported animation of a Sceptile put into the game prior to it being added in the game, showing something going very wrong. It's more complex than this but it's an example
It's why all those mod groups which were "We'll add all the Pokémon back" stopped after Kanto, since they were already done for Let's Go. They just conveniently stopped and disappeared, never to be heard from again.
I also assume you mean that talent or developer count couldn't fix, not could fix
If what you want is difficulty, then no. Pokémon games are always easy. Closest to not being was Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon.
If a D/P remake should have features from platinum, otherwise they have cut features, them I assume a 2nd SM64 remake should have all the features from the DS version, otherwise they are cutting features right?
I have seen so many hate the DS version and therefore would only want a remake of vanilla 64 without any of the DS features.
I think the difference here is that not everybody agrees on that front. But yes, I would prefer to see the DS content integrated into a remake as well.
SwSh didn't have Ampharos and was not better for it.
I'm going to be incredibly cheesed when we hit a Gen without Arcanine, because he's my ribbon champion and there will be unobtainable ribbons at that point.
The worst parts of SwSh were the Wild Area, Dynamax max raid battles, and the difficulty level. Not sure how any of that would have been better with a smaller roster (they're all poor gameplay decisions, not technical/polish ones).
Ahh thank you, and yeh I meant couldn't. I have my grievances with their design philosophy these days but shit happens and Im hopeful for the future.
