Pokémon (2019 Anime Series) |OT| Here Comes A Brand New World

Blackleg-sanji1 · Jul 13, 2020

Serebii said:
Theory is that we may have already seen it.

We don't know where this Boldore came from that is in Cerise Park

Goh doesn't have one, and why would there be a random one there? Current notion is that it's Ash's

I am here for this. Unpopular opinion but his unova team is one of my favorites

diakyu · Jul 13, 2020

Isn't that just a reference to the Magikarp game. YOu think they would draw more attention to it if it was meant to be more than that.

Serebii · Jul 13, 2020

diakyu said:
Isn't that just a reference to the Magikarp game. YOu think they would draw more attention to it if it was meant to be more than that.

Don't spoil our fun :p

Birdie · Jul 13, 2020

Oh is Boldore present in the game? Yeah that's more likely.

Unlike human characters who require more effort and cost to have return it's weird they don't use old Pokemon more...I mean it can't be too costly as most are voiced by regulars or there's probably stock sound to use.

Though I guess Oak's JP VA did a lot of them and now he's gone...

diakyu · Jul 13, 2020

Eh I think we will see some of Ash's older Pokémon but it won't be till later in this series. That lab episode with both Ash and Goh's mons interacting writes itself

mnk · Jul 13, 2020

diakyu said:
Isn't that just a reference to the Magikarp game. YOu think they would draw more attention to it if it was meant to be more than that.

Couldn't it be both? They could be using Ash's Boldore to make a reference to the game.

diakyu · Jul 13, 2020

mnk said:
Couldn't it be both? They could be using Ash's Boldore to make a reference to the game.

It could be, but it's definitely a reference to magikarp jump first, and maybe Ash's second.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for it to be Boldore instead of something else most are expecting like Charizard and Greninja. I always enjoyed Boldore for how odd of a pick it was for Ash. Honestly there's a lot of the BW pokemon I'd rather like to see over the others. Palpitoad has to come back and evolve or else this series is an easy 0/10.

Birdie · Jul 13, 2020

I'm sad Palpitoad and Stunfisk were caught at the same time and were clearly buddies but we never saw them together. Ever.

diakyu · Jul 13, 2020

Birdie said:
I'm sad Palpitoad and Stunfisk were caught at the same time and were clearly buddies but we never saw them together. Ever.

tbf we barely saw Palpitoad at all. I think it was only once seen outside of a battle and it was only because all of Ash's mons were out.

Birdie · Jul 13, 2020

diakyu said:
tbf we barely saw Palpitoad at all. I think it was only once seen outside of a battle and it was only because all of Ash's mons were out.

I remember the first Battle Tournament after it was caught and that's it. Took down that one girl's Stoutland.

I actually thought it was in a Gym Battle but I'm thinking of Clay's Palpitoad.

diakyu · Jul 13, 2020

Birdie said:
I remember the first Battle Tournament after it was caught and that's it. Took down that one girl's Stoutland.

I actually thought it was in a Gym Battle but I'm thinking of Clay's Palpitoad.

It was in two gym battles and both were the most infamous ones coincidentally (Elesa and Roxie).

God remember the Roxie fight? Mess.

Roliq · Jul 13, 2020

diakyu said:
It was in two gym battles and both were the most infamous ones coincidentally (Elesa and Roxie).

God remember the Roxie fight? Mess.

What happened there, i only remember the Elesa fight (why would you even believe that only one Pokemon will carry you out???) since i want to forget BW was a thing

Blackleg-sanji1 · Jul 13, 2020

His bw team gets a lot of shit because of bw itself but I actually thought they were pretty good aside from palpitoad losing his lil boss personality he had. They all stood out in there own right imo the same as any other ash mon. The major problem was not seeing them enough because the starters and pikachu took up 4 slots at all times
Krokodile was amazing
Levanny brought the mother vibes
Scraggy don't even need to cape for that one lol
Starters were the starters don't need to cape there either

unfenzant.....I hate that bird line so I'm biased but it was there lol

diakyu · Jul 13, 2020

Roliq said:
What happened there, i only remember the Elesa fight (why would you even believe that only one Pokemon will carry you out???) since i want to forget BW was a thing

The last gym battle was a 6 vs 3 and really showcased the issue with Ash's reserves in BW. At a certain point the battle just felt like a trick to have Ash's lesser mons take the L while other big players got the win. I'll never forget watching Boldore and Unfezant job to a Koffing. The battle wasn't bad in the usual sense but as the last gym I definitely didn't like it.

People point to Ash losing to Cameron in a 6 vs 5 but I always hated vs Roxie more

EvilChameleon · Jul 13, 2020

The Undella Town/Dawn returns arc is the best part of the Black/White anime.

Roliq · Jul 13, 2020

diakyu said:
The last gym battle was a 6 vs 3 and really showcased the issue with Ash's reserves in BW. At a certain point the battle just felt like a trick to have Ash's lesser mons take the L while other big players got the win. I'll never forget watching Boldore and Unfezant job to a Koffing. The battle wasn't bad in the usual sense but as the last gym I definitely didn't like it.

People point to Ash losing to Cameron in a 6 vs 5 but I always hated vs Roxie more

Yeah that sounds so stupid, but i feel that Ash vs Cameron was worse because when you look at it was also 6v3 since Cameron for some stupid reason decided to send Ferrothorn (Steel/Grass) against Pignite and Swanna (Flying/Water) against Pikachu, both of them lost in one hit what makes him winning at the end bullshit

cubotauro · Jul 13, 2020

Best part of the BW anime :P

Her surprise win against Trip has to be one of my favorites moments in the series.

Rolling Antony · Jul 14, 2020

Best Wishes! is my least favorite series and I hate that because I loved many of the characters. Langley, Cabernet, Kenyan and Bel are amazing side/rival characters but their stories (aside from Kenyan) were horribly handled.

Langley's rivalry with Iris was interesting to watch when they were not battling. Aside from Beartic vs Excadrill, all their battles were a mess and she ends up being defeated by DEMgonite and she just... disappears. She only had a minor win on screen to show her "Dragon Buster" rep and she never impacted Iris' growth and flaws.

Cabernet suffers even worse with Cilan. She was a delight when she was on the screen but was complete fodder everytime she battled (and she was blatantly robbed against Iris on the Donamite Tournament). Her character never advanced, she stayed a lower class Sommelier all the time and was only shown studying hard on the last ending haha

Bel was amazing during her first appearence and was horrible on the Don Battle with her Zorua obsession (even trying to trade her "precious and valuable partner" Pignite) and the way they handled her story with her father on Nimbasa. She gets funny again afterwards and gets a great showing on the Donamite, only to become worthless on the league thanks to the annoying kid.

Kenyan was the only one who was great all the time. His team, his rivalry and his development (as little as it was) were nice and got some of the best battles on the series (except for the horrendous thing against Emolga). The Nurse Joy/Audino cosplay he did with Sawk is an outstanding moment.

Likewise, Ash's team suffered the same fate. Oshawott never evolved beyond a comic relief, Snivy's story went nowhere except for a small bit on Tepig's evolution, Boldore and Palpitoad were bland after their first episode and Unfezant and Leavanny only had like 2 great moments during the entire series. Aside from their designated "big" win, most of them never achieved anything worthwhile battle-wise. Boldore/Leavanny/Unfezant had to evolve AND learn the exact attacks they needed mid-battle to win (although Leavanny's battle against Sawk was amazing!). Oshawott only won by comic relief/luck... Palpitoad at least got some decent battles, I guess. Snivy's battles were special- if Attract worked, she won. If Attract failed, she lost- the only exception was the amazing battle against Pawniard. Pignite, Krookodile and Scraggy were the only consistent ones.

BW! had awesome potential :(

diakyu · Jul 14, 2020

The main reason I want Ash's mons to return is for the BW team lol (not you Charizard). Well and maybe Noivern.

diakyu · Jul 16, 2020

I'm seeing something about an interview discussing how even more returning characters will appear in the show and how the opening will change soon but the song will remain?

sir_crocodile · Jul 19, 2020

weird to go straight from a wanpachi jealousy ep to a pikachu jealousy ep

also these stories are almost always borefests - the wanpachi one certainly was

Joni · Jul 20, 2020

I entirely forgot Koharu had a brother. Would have liked for her to keep Pidove.

sir_crocodile said:
weird to go straight from a wanpachi jealousy ep to a pikachu jealousy ep

Same feeling.

Birdie · Jul 20, 2020

I entirely forgot Koharu.

diakyu · Jul 21, 2020

It's interesting that Sobble was with Goh even when he wasn't at the park

Rolling Antony · Jul 26, 2020

So we got two "electric jealousy" episodes back to back. One was fine, the other would have been if it aired 20 years ago.

Wanpachi is amazing, it's a shame it's never on screen. I liked Koharu having something; she's an interesting character that is relegated to nothing. She is one of the few "main" characters that is not really living with Pokémon 24/7 and her growth is something I'm looking forward to. I really don't know if they'll go the "obvious" route of making her a researcher like her father, so any episode focusing on her is a treat. Pidove and Wanpachi were cute as hell.

The second episode... I'm conflicted. It was a very sweet episode, with many good moments. Mr. Mime is an entertaining Pokémon and I'm glad to see more from it, and of course, watching Delia is always great. Both of them made it worthwhile. However... I just can't accept the main plot of the episode, it's terrible on the context of the show nowadays.

One of the worst things of the Elesa episode back on Best Wishes! was Pikachu's tantrum. Now, we have an entire episode focused on Pikachu randomly acting like a spoiled brat just because his trainer is focusing on the newest addition of the family for one whole day (or if you want to throw the writers a bone, "for a while"). Pikachu has been with Ash since the first day and has achieved and lived everything with him. Even Delia mentions it. So... why does he want to run away? "Jealousy" is a stupid reason and it was even more stupid that somehow, Koharu scolded Ash for not "understanding" Pikachu's feelings when the rat was being a spotlight hogging thing.

Why is Pikachu jealous of Ash training and battling with Riolu? Pikachu was there when:

Ash trained and bonded with Infernape.
Ash trained and bonded with Greninja. They even got a special synchro-bond thing!
Ash trained with Rockruff/Litten all the time.
Ash didn't select it to battle on 4 of Sinnoh gyms.
Ash didn't select it to battle on 2 of the Grand Trials.
Ash and the others explained to Torchic that May focusing on Beautifly for a while wasn't bad.

and many more. I'm not even including all the things that Ash and Pikachu share.

This episode wasn't bad if you have only started watching Pokémon now- it was good and sweet. The main plot is nonsensical and horrendous if you have seen at least another series.

Oh and I didn't even comment on how Ash was also horribly handled. My post focused on how Pikachu was stupidly out of character, but Ash also had to be dumb as hell so the "plot" could advance. The only relief is that he apparently tried to look for his best friend, but there was no payoff. It was horrible writing for both.

lvl 99 Pixel · Jul 26, 2020

Poor writing and forced character interactions aside there was some nice animation and Pikachu was cute and funny.

Also this show has some pretty crazy looking animation smears

diakyu · Jul 26, 2020

I did think this was an overly nice episode and honestly the character stuff doesn't bother me. Ending still landed for me imo

Next week looks fun though, especially since we might be seeing a new side of Koharu based off of the preview. And I hope the upcoming Bea episode is focusing on Farfetch'd and not Riolu.

Desmond · Jul 27, 2020

Anyone else find it weird that Koharu featured so much in the OP?

Birdie · Jul 27, 2020

So are Ash and Gou gonna trade a Pokemon in that upcoming episode?

Quinton · Jul 27, 2020

Sun/Moon anime series update. My friend and I are about 53 episodes in now. Ultra Adventures has started things off for "season 2" with a bang! This is the best arc stuff since the (incredible) Team Flare climax saga in XY. While I don't expect this level of intensity to continue nonstop, it's been a delightful romp and it seems we still another episode or so before it's finished.

Sandfox · Jul 27, 2020

Rolling Antony said:
So we got two "electric jealousy" episodes back to back. One was fine, the other would have been if it aired 20 years ago.

Wanpachi is amazing, it's a shame it's never on screen. I liked Koharu having something; she's an interesting character that is relegated to nothing. She is one of the few "main" characters that is not really living with Pokémon 24/7 and her growth is something I'm looking forward to. I really don't know if they'll go the "obvious" route of making her a researcher like her father, so any episode focusing on her is a treat. Pidove and Wanpachi were cute as hell.

The second episode... I'm conflicted. It was a very sweet episode, with many good moments. Mr. Mime is an entertaining Pokémon and I'm glad to see more from it, and of course, watching Delia is always great. Both of them made it worthwhile. However... I just can't accept the main plot of the episode, it's terrible on the context of the show nowadays.

One of the worst things of the Elesa episode back on Best Wishes! was Pikachu's tantrum. Now, we have an entire episode focused on Pikachu randomly acting like a spoiled brat just because his trainer is focusing on the newest addition of the family for one whole day (or if you want to throw the writers a bone, "for a while"). Pikachu has been with Ash since the first day and has achieved and lived everything with him. Even Delia mentions it. So... why does he want to run away? "Jealousy" is a stupid reason and it was even more stupid that somehow, Koharu scolded Ash for not "understanding" Pikachu's feelings when the rat was being a spotlight hogging thing.

Why is Pikachu jealous of Ash training and battling with Riolu? Pikachu was there when:

Ash trained and bonded with Infernape.
Ash trained and bonded with Greninja. They even got a special synchro-bond thing!
Ash trained with Rockruff/Litten all the time.
Ash didn't select it to battle on 4 of Sinnoh gyms.
Ash didn't select it to battle on 2 of the Grand Trials.
Ash and the others explained to Torchic that May focusing on Beautifly for a while wasn't bad.

and many more. I'm not even including all the things that Ash and Pikachu share.

This episode wasn't bad if you have only started watching Pokémon now- it was good and sweet. The main plot is nonsensical and horrendous if you have seen at least another series.

Oh and I didn't even comment on how Ash was also horribly handled. My post focused on how Pikachu was stupidly out of character, but Ash also had to be dumb as hell so the "plot" could advance. The only relief is that he apparently tried to look for his best friend, but there was no payoff. It was horrible writing for both.

Ash outright ignored Pikachu multiple times even when it was brought to his attention that Pikachu was jealous and insulted it to it's face by saying it's lazy and needs to be more like Riolu. He was definitely in the wrong.

Birdie · Jul 27, 2020

The best Sun and Moon episode is when James and Faba team up.

That's totally an episode plot I couldn't see done outside of Sam's structure.

diakyu · Jul 27, 2020

Desmond said:
Anyone else find it weird that Koharu featured so much in the OP?

Eh I don't think it's that weird. She is the third most prominent despite her current meme like status lol. Seeing that only visuals are changing for the opening I bet shots that feel out of place in the opening (specifically the one of her travelling the world with Ash and Goh in the OP) are gonna stay around and make more sense later when she inevitably does join them.

Rolling Antony · Jul 27, 2020

Sandfox said:
Ash outright ignored Pikachu multiple times even when it was brought to his attention that Pikachu was jealous and insulted it to it's face by saying it's lazy and needs to be more like Riolu. He was definitely in the wrong.

I already stated that Ash was also horribly handled in the episode. But, I think you are exaggerating Ash's mistakes and Pikachu's innocence.

Regardless, the episode had to make Ash act like a dumb and bad trainer and Pikachu act like a spoiled and immature brat for the plot to work. Neither character was in the wrong or in the right, both acted stupid and both were completely different characters than the ones we've seen for 20 years.

And it's a shame, because some scenes were really good. The lullaby scenes were amazing and most of the Mr. Mime/Pikachu interactions were adorable.

diakyu said:
Eh I don't think it's that weird. She is the third most prominent despite her current meme like status lol. Seeing that only visuals are changing for the opening I bet shots that feel out of place in the opening (specifically the one of her travelling the world with Ash and Goh in the OP) are gonna stay around and make more sense later when she inevitably does join them.

I agree that Koharu tries to be the third most prominent character, but I think it's sad that her father seems much more important than her. As of now, she's probably less important as a "main" character than Max ever was.

lvl 99 Pixel · Jul 27, 2020

Rolling Antony said:
Pikachu act like a spoiled and immature brat for the plot to work

I mean yeah, but Pikachu shouldn't really be expected to act with the maturity of an adult human either. They're all acting like brats and its kind of just annoying.
Gou on the other hand, has been acting like a total little shit the entire show and STILL thinks mew belongs in his ever growing collection.

Rolling Antony · Jul 27, 2020

lvl 99 Pixel said:
I mean yeah, but Pikachu shouldn't really be expected to act with the maturity of an adult human either. They're all acting like brats and its kind of just annoying.
Gou on the other hand, has been acting like a total little shit the entire show and STILL thinks mew belongs in his ever growing collection.

True, but he's also not a baby. In the end, it's annoying.

Go and his goal is still a mystery for me. I genuinely don't know how are they going to make it work... I may be able to see a "Go comes face to face with Mew and decides to not catch it" but how he gets there by catching all the other 60 legendaries...

Sandfox · Jul 27, 2020

Rolling Antony said:
I already stated that Ash was also horribly handled in the episode. But, I think you are exaggerating Ash's mistakes and Pikachu's innocence.

Regardless, the episode had to make Ash act like a dumb and bad trainer and Pikachu act like a spoiled and immature brat for the plot to work. Neither character was in the wrong or in the right, both acted stupid and both were completely different characters than the ones we've seen for 20 years.

And it's a shame, because some scenes were really good. The lullaby scenes were amazing and most of the Mr. Mime/Pikachu interactions were adorable.

I agree that Koharu tries to be the third most prominent character, but I think it's sad that her father seems much more important than her. As of now, she's probably less important as a "main" character than Max ever was.

I'm not exaggerating.

Ash said to Pikachu "Oh, come on... Riolu is working so hard. I can't send you out in official battles in official battles if you act like this" in response to Pikachu sleeping while waiting for it's turn to train. That's what makes Pikachu really angry. Before it was just like "oh come one" when Ash wouldn't let it battle. He then proceeded to leave Pikachu alone twice, which leads to it running away to find Ash's mom before changing it's mind. I definitely don't feel that Pikachu running away is on the same level of what Ash did.

lvl 99 Pixel · Jul 27, 2020

Can we at least just appreciate that we got singing pikachu

Rolling Antony · Jul 28, 2020

Sandfox said:
I'm not exaggerating.

Ash said to Pikachu "Oh, come on... Riolu is working so hard. I can't send you out in official battles in official battles if you act like this" in response to Pikachu sleeping while waiting for it's turn to train. That's what makes Pikachu really angry. Before it was just like "oh come one" when Ash wouldn't let it battle. He then proceeded to leave Pikachu alone twice, which leads to it running away to find Ash's mom before changing it's mind. I definitely don't feel that Pikachu running away is on the same level of what Ash did.

I'm sorry, that interaction isn't enough of a reason for me. If you're willing to forget and ignore thousands of great moments and run away just because that... Like I said, Ash was also badly written here, it's just that I think both were stupid and annoying. I could buy a "Pikachu running away" episode if it was made when OS was airing, but not here; specially when they go out of their way to reference the very first episode. At the end of the day, I'd expect the staff to understand their own main characters.

lvl 99 Pixel said:
Can we at least just appreciate that we got singing pikachu

Completely! And not only that, but Pikachu demanding to be petted is also a treasure.

Desmond · Jul 28, 2020

Mr Mime was great in that episode too. Older brother vibes towards Pikachu

lvl 99 Pixel · Jul 28, 2020

Mr Mime is low key carrying this season

Deleted member 25140 · Jul 28, 2020

Didn't Black and White anime show Ash not knowing what a Koffing was in the Roxie fight? Mess

Serebii · Jul 28, 2020

Cortez said:
Didn't Black and White anime show Ash not knowing what a Koffing was in the Roxie fight? Mess

Kind of but no. Things like that are why Ash often has a partner character just starting out with a Pokédex so he doesn't have to point his Pokédex at Pokémon he knows while also having a way to show the Pokémon to kids who may not know them. Alas, BW didn't have that so Ash had to scan Pokémon himself again

Hell, when he had to do it for a Corphish and a Buizel in Black & White due to it, that's when you knew they messed up with having no new trainer character

Basically, the Pokédex is for the viewer, not for Ash

diakyu · Jul 29, 2020

My favorite part is when they don't even show Ash pulling the dex out, it just happens. It's like they knew how strange it was for him to scan mons he'd seen before.

Everyday Math · Jul 30, 2020

We're getting a new opening in Episode 32. Same song, but a rock style with new visuals.
Sung by Takanori Nishikawa and Golden Bomber's Sho Kiryuin instead of After The Rain.

Deleted member 4532 · Jul 30, 2020

I always thought Ash scanning Pokémon he knew was a bit weird but he never really says anything while he scans them which let's you know it's not really for him but for the audience.

ISureKnowMyStuff · Jul 31, 2020

First companion with their own Pikachu, what will its personality be like?

diakyu · Jul 31, 2020

Probably pretty far removed from Pikachu's existing personality. The August 16 episode feels really basic, I wonder what else it has

lvl 99 Pixel · Jul 31, 2020

ISureKnowMyStuff said:
First companion with their own Pikachu, what will its personality be like?

Won't matter because it will be going straight into the Gou Depository with the rest

Serebii · Aug 1, 2020

Next week's episode is the first episode outside of specials (including Mega Evolution) to not feature Ash

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