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Aerial51

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It was a nice touch in the MediEvil remake that once you collect all the souls you unlock the original PSone game.
Really? That's cool, i played the Demo but didn't like it too much, but i do want to get around it eventually because i love the Tim Burton Esque Aesthetic a lot.

Western developers thinking they know how to make Souls games better than From does always ends well.
I know I'm in the Minority with this, but I only consider Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne to be actually great Games. DS2, 3 and Sekiro are medicore, so seeing someone elses Interpretation of a Souls Game is not something I'm personally concerned about.
 

TheNexus

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Oct 25, 2017
574
Favorite Demon's Souls bosses?

Mine is Fool's Idol, great build-up, great music and a super cool anor-londo esque transition after the fight.
 

Bundy

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Oct 27, 2017
20,931
On another note I am not really sure what could be improved by a demon souls remake. The game was good as it released. Other than a graphical overhaul and an increase of dropping chance for bladestone everything is fine in my opinion.
Oh they can add/improve/update a lot of stuff. Best example: The World Tendency stuff needs to be improved..
There are few things here and there.
 

Lacrimosis

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Dec 13, 2019
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Let them do what they wanna do and how they wanna see it. They don't need to ask anyone for advice. It's a full remake. A "re-imagination". Not a simple port or a remaster with better effects and texutres. So I wanna see Bluepoint's version. Hardcore fans (and I love the original game) can keep playing the original game on the PS3 if they don't want any changes 😁


They are remaking an already finished and and are adding some updates, etc. Nobody said Bluepoint thinks they can make Souls games better than From Software. That's just in your imagination.
Even if they were to completely develop their own vision, bluepoint would still need an understanding of the original. How it works, how it was designed etc. How it works on a technical level. They can figure it out on their own but documentation would help tremendously.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know I'm in the Minority with this, but I only consider Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne to be actually great Games. DS2, 3 and Sekiro are medicore, so seeing someone elses Interpretation of a Souls Game is not something I'm personally concerned about.

That is a very specific opinion! Like I hate DS2 and Sekiro is just 1000% not for me, but outside of DS2 being a poorly designed rush-job I think all of the From Souls games are so far above any Western attempt at the style that it's honestly just embarrassing that anyone even attempts it anymore.

I hope Bluepoint is doing something else and leaving Souls the hell alone. Taking one of my favorite PS3 games and handing it over to a completely unaffiliated studio to do whatever they want with would be such an insult.

Favorite Demon's Souls bosses?

Mine is Fool's Idol, great build-up, great music and a super cool anor-londo esque transition after the fight.

Storm King is great for the spectacle even if it's a gimmick fight. Old King Doran is a fun no-frills slugmatch. And Flamelurker is just really chaotic but surprisingly easy if you tackle him from the right direction.
 

Evolved1

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hopefully they will completely bin world tendency... or make it not awful. Also add some muted footsteps or something to soul form. The silence always annoyed me. Everything else you do makes noise. Maybe if bare feet were silent in soul form, that would make sense, and be a nice touch / nod to the original.
 
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Can you even use non alphanumeric characters in IDEs? never thought about that.
You can. I think I've heard this translation problem before but I can't remember which developer or project was struggling with non-English code comments cause it made the code more difficult to understand. I don't know how common it is in Japanese game studios to make comments in Japanese nowadays (probably not that common anymore).
 
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PlanetSmasher

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Hopefully they will completely bin world tendency... or make it not awful. Also add some muted footsteps or something to soul form. The silence always annoyed me. Everything else you do makes noise. Maybe if bare feet were silent in soul form, that would make sense, and be a nice touch / nod to the original.

The muted footsteps in soul form actually serve a gameplay purpose, though. I'm pretty sure enemies can't detect you quite as easily as a soul as they can when you're mortal.
 

Bundy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Even if they were to completely develop their own vision, bluepoint would still need an understanding of the original. How it works, how it was designed etc. How it works on a technical level. They can figure it out on their own but documentation would help tremendously.
You don't really need From Software for that. I know some fans dream scenario is From Software "watching over" this remake. But it's not really needed. The game is finished and done and is getting a remake. From Software doesn't "need" to be involved. Maybe they are, because BP/Sony is asking them for some clues or advice. But it's not "needed" on any technical level.
 

Gero

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Oct 28, 2017
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Im really counting on this DS remake so im gonna be really disappointed if it turns out to be fake
 

JetroPT

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Jun 11, 2019
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Favorite Demon's Souls bosses?

Mine is Fool's Idol, great build-up, great music and a super cool anor-londo esque transition after the fight.

In term of mechanics I really like the Old Hero. It's a pretty unique fight in the Souls games. A blind boss that actually doesn't know where you are.

In terms of lore/music, nothing beats Maiden Astraea. it's just so good.
 

PlanetSmasher

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You don't really need From Software for that. I know some fans dream scenario is From Software "watching over" this remake. But it's not really needed. The game is finished and done and is getting a remake. From Software doesn't "need" to be involved. Maybe they are, because BP/Sony is asking them for some clues or advice. But it's not "needed" on any technical level.

I mean, at least one thing will happen if they decide to just do their own shit without consulting From: it will make sure I hate them forever and never buy a single thing they make. So I guess that's a nice plus for me.
 

Baloota

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May 12, 2018
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When i was playing Demon's Souls for the first time i was trying to get summoned in 3.1 and i haven't yet killed the Old Monk nor did i know he even existed and then instead of being summoned as a blue phantom i ended up being a black phantom boss. Talking to Sege Freke later revealed that someone in Tower of Latria has power over souls. The old monk could summon black or blue phantoms to fight for him whether willing or not. I was mindblown by how they integrated the lore into gameplay.
 

Aerial51

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Apr 24, 2020
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That is a very specific opinion! Like I hate DS2 and Sekiro is just 1000% not for me, but outside of DS2 being a poorly designed rush-job I think all of the From Souls games are so far above any Western attempt at the style that it's honestly just embarrassing that anyone even attempts it anymore.

I hope Bluepoint is doing something else and leaving Souls the hell alone. Taking one of my favorite PS3 games and handing it over to a completely unaffiliated studio to do whatever they want with would be such an insult.



Storm King is great for the spectacle even if it's a gimmick fight. Old King Doran is a fun no-frills slugmatch. And Flamelurker is just really chaotic but surprisingly easy if you tackle him from the right direction.
I personally think it depends at how much they are willing to make it their Vision their Demon's Souls. Like the Shadow of the Colossus Remake to me is a Game that tries to be as close as possible to the Original and while it is in some Areas. The Atmosphere is just diffrent, the World is no longer consumed by the mysterious Fog and because there is now more Foliage, the World doesnt feel as dead and hopeless anymore. But if your'e willing to see it as their interpretation of the World of SotC that is diffrent than the Original One, that the forbidden Land is still a wonderful place to live in etc. than I'm cool with it. So i think if they just try to graphicly amp up Demon's Souls with some slight Changes here and there it would end up an inferior Version, but if they are willing to really change shit and maybe even toy around with Expectations they could do a wonderful Remake that is their own Demon's Souls instead of just another Remake.
 

Phoenix15

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Oct 23, 2019
598
Sony's E3 2013 took advantage of the online discourse - but here's the thing:

They WAITED until E3 to do so.

Even though prior to that, journalist and online discourse were saying things like "Sony has the same DRM" and Sony's complete public ignorance of the #PS4noDRM movement that Pete Dodd had prior to E3. Sony just stayed quiet throughout that duration.

In hindsight, that move looks genius. But in that moment - from the perspective of fans like us who consume and expect 12-hour news cycle, Sony seemed out-of-touch because they chose to say nothing for a month plus.

I don't see Sony changing that, tbh. They'll say what they want to say, at their time of choice. And anytime outside of their highly controlled specific beats of events and blogpost announcements, they will not even remotely tease anything news-worthy.

Shuhei Yoshida's words, from February 21, 2013 :

www.eurogamer.net

Sony tells Eurogamer: PlayStation 4 will not block used games

Shuhei Yoshida confirms it. Plus: source tells EG patent wasn't PS4-related.

www.eurogamer.net

PlayStation 4 does not require an internet connection

"Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social!"

Shuhei Yoshida announced no DRM and no Connexion Required at all interview made by all journalist around the world just after PS Meeting.

And Sony repeat that on ALL interview FOR MONTHS

But media and people continues to guess DRM and Connexion

Seeing that their words are not heared, Andrew House choose to say it clearly, once and for all, at the E3 press conference

www.polygon.com

Sony re-wrote its E3 PS4 script after seeing the response to Xbox One, says Andrew House

After seeing the negative response to Microsoft's Xbox One launch, Sony's Andrew House re-wrote some of the script that would later be used during the company's PlayStation 4 presentation at E3...
 

poklane

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just saw this amazing highlight reel of WWS output this generation plus other 3rd party exclusive t on Reddit:


There are some omissions (like GT Sport and Concrete Genie) but it's great. Shows you why so many people are excited for the PS5.
This is the type of montage Sony should show at the PS5 reveal event, and then afterwards announce that all those titles will be available on PS5 in 4K/60FPS at no additional costs for people owning a PS4 copy.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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I personally think it depends at how much they are willing to make it their Vision their Demon's Souls. Like the Shadow of the Colossus Remake to me is a Game that tries to be as close as possible to the Original and while it is in some Areas. The Atmosphere is just diffrent, the World is no longer consumed by the mysterious Fog and because there is now more Foliage, the World doesnt feel as dead and hopeless anymore. But if your'e willing to see it as their interpretation of the World of SotC that is diffrent than the Original One, that the forbidden Land is still a wonderful place to live in etc. than I'm cool with it. So i think if they just try to graphicly amp up Demon's Souls with some slight Changes here and there it would end up an inferior Version, but if they are willing to really change shit and maybe even toy around with Expectations they could do a wonderful Remake that is their own Demon's Souls instead of just another Remake.

Yeah, I hear you. I just don't have any interest in a western studio thinking they can do Demon's Souls better than From, and I ESPECIALLY don't want to see a "remake" that's designed around callously changing things and "subverting expectations" just for the sake of making things different.

It's bad enough when an original developer remakes a game and messes it up because they forgot what made the original game special in the first place. It's even worse when some random completely unaffiliated people have enough arrogance to paint over someone else's canvas with their own ideas.

If Bluepoint wants to make a new game they should just make a new game and leave Demon's Souls in the past.
 

Agram

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Oct 25, 2017
373
My dream scenario is that Bluepoint actually consults Miyazaki and with his input, they create the 6th Archstone in Demon's Souls proving that they are developers capable of creating something new in the existing universe.
 

rahji

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Oct 25, 2017
3,598
Favorite Demon's Souls bosses?

Mine is Fool's Idol, great build-up, great music and a super cool anor-londo esque transition after the fight.

False King Allant. That guy is so badass he can delevel you. He took me a lot of tries. Also penetrator with a really cool pre fight cutscene. The fight itself is also great because of the duel character and the crumbling pillars in the arena. You can also get support in this fight if you do it right. The first time I didn't think he was too hard but on subsequent playthroughs he was a real pain.
 

Omnistalgic

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm like this for the Silent Hill project. I'll be so heartbroken if it turns out to be false.
Silent hill scared the begeesus out of me as a kid, but reading that story I'm fascinated by what a remake or sequel would be like. I doubt I could finish it by myself though.

DeS Remake I would mostly day one though because that's a guaranteed good time with my PS5 for a while. BLuepoint visually speaking have been near top of the heap as well. I mean Sotc is up there with God of War and Horizon IMO. They should make PS5 sing at launch, especially since ease of use seem to be a big priority for Sony.
 

Bundy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, I hear you. I just don't have any interest in a western studio thinking they can do Demon's Souls better than From, and I ESPECIALLY don't want to see a "remake" that's designed around callously changing things and "subverting expectations" just for the sake of making things different.

It's bad enough when an original developer remakes a game and messes it up because they forgot what made the original game special in the first place. It's even worse when some random completely unaffiliated people have enough arrogance to paint over someone else's canvas with their own ideas.

If Bluepoint wants to make a new game they should just make a new game and leave Demon's Souls in the past.
"Arrogance" 🤣 Oh man.... you really take this too seriously. Like a family feud, where one family member can't marrying someone from another family.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I hear you. I just don't have any interest in a western studio thinking they can do Demon's Souls better than From, and I ESPECIALLY don't want to see a "remake" that's designed around callously changing things and "subverting expectations" just for the sake of making things different.

It's bad enough when an original developer remakes a game and messes it up because they forgot what made the original game special in the first place. It's even worse when some random completely unaffiliated people have enough arrogance to paint over someone else's canvas with their own ideas.

If Bluepoint wants to make a new game they should just make a new game and leave Demon's Souls in the past.
The original Demon's Souls won't be wiped out of existence even if a remake is made. You can even pretend that the remake doesn't exist :P
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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False King Allant. That guy is so badass he can delevel you. He took me a lot of tries. Also penetrator with a really cool pre fight cutscene. The fight itself is also great because of the duel character and the crumbling pillars in the arena. You can also get support in this fight if you do it right. The first time I didn't think he was too hard but on subsequent playthroughs he was a real pain.

Did you use the Toxic Cloud spell on him the first time you fought him? Because that strategy essentially got patched out of existence pretty early in the game's lifespan and that might explain why he got significantly harder for you.
 

PlanetSmasher

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The original Demon's Souls won't be wiped out of existence even if a remake is made. You can even pretend that the remake doesn't exist :P

The original's servers are down, and I would have to dig a PS3 out of storage just to play a nerfed version of the game if I ever want to experience it again. And if I pretend the "remake" doesn't exist, that's fine, but it also means I still have no games to play next gen.

Bluepoint just making their own game and leaving Demon's Souls alone would be the best case scenario for all of us, INCLUDING me.
 

Lant_War

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Jul 14, 2018
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The original's servers are down, and I would have to dig a PS3 out of storage just to play a nerfed version of the game if I ever want to experience it again. And if I pretend the "remake" doesn't exist, that's fine, but it also means I still have no games to play next gen.
How do you even know that. No next gen games have been announced.
 
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Woah, that's pretty cool design!
The original's servers are down, and I would have to dig a PS3 out of storage just to play a nerfed version of the game if I ever want to experience it again. And if I pretend the "remake" doesn't exist, that's fine, but it also means I still have no games to play next gen.

Bluepoint just making their own game and leaving Demon's Souls alone would be the best case scenario for all of us, INCLUDING me.
Oh right, I didn't remember that it had that online functionality (never played it). That's a bummer.
 

Nilou

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also Dark Souls 2 is the best of the Souls games, fight me! :P
 

rahji

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Oct 25, 2017
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Did you use the Toxic Cloud spell on him the first time you fought him? Because that strategy essentially got patched out of existence pretty early in the game's lifespan and that might explain why he got significantly harder for you.

Probably not because I never play characters who use magic in souls games. For me it is always to get really close with your enemies. I don't know maybe the first time I wasn't as scared as when he beat my ass on later playthroughs.
 

Temascos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Favourite boss in Demon's Souls? Tough call!

I think I'll have to go with Maiden Astrea or The Tower Knight. The latter is a more straightforward and tense battle, while Maiden Astrea is a more sobering fight.

Both these bosses are actually what sold me on the game, as soon as I saw the footage of these two bosses I knew I had to get it.
 

PlanetSmasher

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How do you even know that. No next gen games have been announced.

Based on the status of all their first party teams, Sony will clearly not have anything for me, so my only recourse would be to HOPE against all odds that a third party studio announces something actually exciting and not a cross-gen sequel to an already played-out multiplatform IP.

I'm not holding my breath.
 
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