This.
Yeah. It should be but it won't be even though this one's very transparent.
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PlayStation Studios |OT24| All I Want For Christmas Is Shu
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How would I love to be the fly on the wall seeing Jim Ryan in meetings right now with SIE execs...
But Hulst maybe via zoom because he caught Covid I guess?
Then I'll leak it on the net & then become the true insider.
Hahahahhaaha 🤣 , that image is just the cherry on top.
Same. Unprecedented times for this industry.
They let Disney and Fox go through. I can't imagine that they would block this.
I see this place is as calm as ever. /s
There's no question that it's a gargantuan deal with seismic effect on industry and PlayStation. We'll see how things pan out in coming years.
There's no question that it's a gargantuan deal with seismic effect on industry and PlayStation. We'll see how things pan out in coming years.
There's really not much he can do.
In general, I think the strategy has been really awesome. Strong investment in first party content. Their teams are pumping out high quality games that are winning awards left and right.
There's just not much they can do to stop multi trillion dollar companies who want to buy up the industry.
Unfortunately even if Microsoft bought Take Two next they still wouldn't hold a monopoly over the industry. They have quite a few more acquisitions to go before they get close to that.
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I guess Day One releases on PC turned pretty much mandatory from now on?
I don't see the point of comparing Sony/Nintendo. One sustains its own space without any external influence; the other is heavily dependent on third-party business while somehow being dead set on a multiplatform route for its own content. I think this is counterproductive for the future of its platforms, though it might be beneficial in the long-term for its studios and software sales. Despite the outcome, it's clear that PlayStation is not doing and can't do what Nintendo is capable of.
Yes. Microsoft want to make sure that the competition has absolutely no relevant third party support.
More is coming. It's all about content and IPs.
It's more that this is a sign that Microsoft is determined to have a monopoly on the industry and doesn't care how much they have to spend, I expect one of the big Japanese publishers to be next. I don't even play on Sony hardware much but I don't like where this is going
Death of Playstation? Not remotely. But this is MASSIVE. My mouth was agape reading the headline. I can't believe it. I don't even care about most Activision Blizzard games (basically just THPS, Crash, and Spyro), and it doesn't personally affect me anyway since I have and enjoy an Xbox (in fact it will be even better for me since I won't have to buy any of their games anymore due to Game Pass), but wow. This is a staggering loss for Sony, no two ways about it.
Its silly Sony is not just game company they tied up in so much stuff all over the world.
Seeing as Spencer supposed tried getting Game Pass on the Playstation before, I wonder if we could see some sort of exclusive-swapping deal... PS keeps CoD, Xbox gets a Spider-Man port?
Has PS not been putting out as many high quality games as they can? Have they been purposefully holding back?
I guess Sony could invest more in their first party studios, but I personally can't imagine somehow dramatically increasing their output.
I think they will be OK. Not as OK as they were before this news clealry but still OK. Horizon Zero Dawn 2 for example coming out next month looks more than OK.
Yeah but if the game company suffers, they won't exactly keep it around. Where is my PSVITA 2? ...
In your opinion, how do you think Sony will respond? They will most likely continue their organic growth of first party studios since it's become likelier that Microsoft will attempt to buy more publishers or stop them if they go after certain people.
Whilst I agree that this isn't the right way to go about competing, I don't think this will pass the antitrust test. Microsoft are still only the third biggest business in gaming. They'd need to acquire Ubisoft or CDPR to make it an antitrust issue.
People saying this won't cause massive issues for PlayStation are living in dreamworld, I feel like. You guys realize that's all a lot of people play? And games like CoD are what PlayStation make the bulk of their money with. Their business model makes no sense if they start losing out on massive IP's like that. They ain't no Nintendo.
It also means MASSIVE problems down the line, should subscriptions become the norm. This should be their main worry. If games follow movies and music in distribution, they simply won't be able to compete with GamePass given the shear amount of studios and IP Microsoft can now throw at it. And content is all that matters in that space. Not just quality, but quantity and breadth of genres. If GamePass really takes off, PlayStation will be facing a problem they likely won't be able to solve.
It also means MASSIVE problems down the line, should subscriptions become the norm. This should be their main worry. If games follow movies and music in distribution, they simply won't be able to compete with GamePass given the shear amount of studios and IP Microsoft can now throw at it. And content is all that matters in that space. Not just quality, but quantity and breadth of genres. If GamePass really takes off, PlayStation will be facing a problem they likely won't be able to solve.
My first thought was Killzone. I loved KZ2 and 3 so much. It honestly pisses me off that we have Horizon instead.
Phil wants GP on PS. That's the only thing he'd accept
Sure it sucks, I also dislike this type of stuff a lot but is it worth to get so worked out on things that could happen years from now and that are completely out from our control?
Life is miserable as it is and folks are willingly making this hobby worse for everyone with such cynical mentality.
I'm of the same opinion. The question was what people would think around here about the future of PlayStation as a platform holder when in addition to the loss of publishers left and right it sets the precedent of releasing on another place its biggest casual-friendly franchise.
Yep.
The writing is on the wall.
PS will lose a major piece of their userbase this generation. This will diminish the importance of releasing games on Playstation platforms.
This in turn makes further MS acquisitions even easier and the cycle will just continue.
Exactly. Pretty much denial to just ignore all of it and keep acting like things are the same
You are right to be worried. Anyone who doesn't think Sony are on the precipice are delusional - MS have not only bought up Bethesda and a huge number of talented smaller developers, they have now bought Call of Duty. Literally the biggest game in the industry. That alone is a near-fatal blow, never mind losing Diablo, Overwatch etc.
Sony need to shore up. Even if MS don't buy anyone else Sony are in a pretty dire situation. If they do buy anyone else and Sony do nothing it's literally game over.
Sony need to start buying out all these developers they're partnering with - Haven, Probably Monsters, Deviation, Kojima Productions etc. They also need to buy a big publisher like Square Enix.
Like the chances of Killzone or Resistance could/would ever replace CoD single-player or MP, as might as well throw MAG into it.
256 battle royale even before battle royale booming.
256 battle royale even before battle royale booming.
I've got to say this will have a little bit of an uphill battle to get through anti-trust system, but wouldn't bet on it getting stalled. With that said, I do agree with many here that Take-Two is probably the only company Sony can grab that makes sense in a MAD doctrine sort of way. But that approach in general is not good for the industry as a whole. I'm not so doom and gloom that Sony cannot figure out a way through this, but there has to be some additional moves made to weather this storm.
Sony legit lost billions in revenue they get from CoD sales and PS+ subs. That's just a fact.
Not sure if it'll pan out exactly like this but yeah I can see where you're coming from for sure.
Ugh, I get where you're going but I hate this concept of consolidation necessitates consolidation.
It would depend on the arguments made, I guess. It's not common that a company can hurt one of their competitors THIS much with a single acquisition. It would be less about Microsoft's position and more about the popularity of CoD itself. Being able to just take half your opponent's userbase by having more money is wildly anti-competitive.
Personally, I think it is best to assume the worst outcome given their past moves until stated 'specifically' otherwise.
Honestly, i could see Sony getting bigger acquisitions with the premise of releasing on PC day one as well.
Keep a certain amount of studios work on console exclusive games, that are tailored to the console specific hardware AND keep certain studios that are releasing on both console and PC. For example From could be a Sony owned Studio that releases both on PC and PlayStation.
Keep a certain amount of studios work on console exclusive games, that are tailored to the console specific hardware AND keep certain studios that are releasing on both console and PC. For example From could be a Sony owned Studio that releases both on PC and PlayStation.
Absolutely crazy news to see.
I'm not into COD myself but this is a massive deal and is going to really hurt Sony down the line.
As much as I'm against market consolidation, Sony are going to have to do something to reduce the amount of potential customer losses that this will bring.
Only issue is how do you counter this? MS have been buying some of the biggest, mainstream appealing properties and I don't think there is really anything that can counter it. The only thing I can think of is Take2 to make GTA exclusive but I really doubt that's happening.
Only logical options would be Square and Capcom to lockdown Japanese games. While that may not cover any losses from Activision, it does help them differentiate themselves from Microsoft who have always been weak for Japanese style games.
Otherwise that's about it, as someone else said, EA would be worthless since FIFA would likely have to be multiplatform.
I'm not into COD myself but this is a massive deal and is going to really hurt Sony down the line.
As much as I'm against market consolidation, Sony are going to have to do something to reduce the amount of potential customer losses that this will bring.
Only issue is how do you counter this? MS have been buying some of the biggest, mainstream appealing properties and I don't think there is really anything that can counter it. The only thing I can think of is Take2 to make GTA exclusive but I really doubt that's happening.
Only logical options would be Square and Capcom to lockdown Japanese games. While that may not cover any losses from Activision, it does help them differentiate themselves from Microsoft who have always been weak for Japanese style games.
Otherwise that's about it, as someone else said, EA would be worthless since FIFA would likely have to be multiplatform.
They are expanding their studios right now. I expect PS to put out more games per year in the future.
Sony will be fine. If anything, Japanese devs will unify behind them and drive the console.
With todays news, expect more heavy hitter quicker than previous years; from all console manufacturers.
I mean its still gross as hell how Bobby yet again came out on top of all of this.
I don't think their model is going to be enough. "More people at ND" won't catch them up to the sheer number of distinct studios MS has now.
This is not gonna happen, lol. Not when the PS5 is irrelevant in Japan.
Of course, and it will not change.
I'm sure he will get a nice huge bonus for this deal.
Buying publishers wouldn't be about matching Act. You can't since they are quite literally the biggest publisher. It's about having FP content and growing which they are already trying to do. But the reality is small studios don't mean anything when MS buys 7-8 studios at a time with massive IPs. At this point, Sony needs big purchases just to have content so they survive period
What did I wake up to today? I feel so angry at MS. If it was most other publishers I would have started wondering and worrying about impact on Sony (and the future of top quality SP games which I need), but my only reaction so far has been horror at Kotick's good fortune.
I know all these business people don't care, and if Sony had hundreds of billions to burn they may have done the same thing, but as of now Kotick is getting paid by MS. Can't get past that at all, going to return my Series S (extended return for the holidays). I was so excited for MS Studios getting better this gen but not touching it all now. Nope.
I know all these business people don't care, and if Sony had hundreds of billions to burn they may have done the same thing, but as of now Kotick is getting paid by MS. Can't get past that at all, going to return my Series S (extended return for the holidays). I was so excited for MS Studios getting better this gen but not touching it all now. Nope.
I get where you're coming from but lets just agree to disagree, the scale of this makes it more unethical, period. Its' really not that complicated IMHO. 3rd parties are always up for sale if your pockets are deep enough, so it's fair game. But it sucks, it affects more people. Even your Spidey analogy is proof of that since the new Marvel Spiderman that was introduced has never appeared on anything but Playstation. It's scale, all there is to it. If Sony reacts and we get more amazing first party games out of this, GREAT! if Sony slowly becomes less and less relevant, this was a terrible terrible move so one company could get richer. And yes, Nintendo/Sony has done more for the industry, MS got rich outside of this industry. Even Phil's word about the big 3 in revenue (1) Tencent 2) Sony 3) MS) now is kinda nonsense. Sony has a ton of revenue but they give back a huge portion of that that money and aren't as profitable as say Nintendo. Phil is trying to position Xbox as "only now they are a big player" that even is kinda bogus. They are the richest company in the world lol.
There's no way to know how it's going to play out, so like I said lets' just agree to disagree. I think we both hope MORE amazing content happens because of this deal though, so I'm sure we can agree there.
Can't be Square Enix. It has to be something that drives people to the platform. It will have to be Take-Two or EA. To get GTA or FIFA, you have leverage to keep certain games on the Sony platform from MS, but it goes both ways. It's not good for industry, but if Sony wants to counter with an acquisition it has to be someone with the IP that forces movement to Playstation. Square just doesn't have that.
I don't really care about that. I'm just saying I expect more high quality games per year in the future. I'm happy about that.
I have all the platforms and don't play any Activision games, so this doesn't really bother me honestly.
Nah that stop during the PS3 gen when everything went multi .
Don't get me wrong they still get tons of money from 3rd party .
Like you said they start the transition last gen for there first party they now need to speed up the pace.
Still these things do take time .
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