7.5 million is not very good revenue for Horizon Zero Dawn. That's like 200k copies at full price....
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Hope they do but I'm not expecting much. Maybe a couple of games but I doubt they will be day of release.
Their stake in Epic is about 1.4%. As shown with Horizon being released on Steam, that investment wont really impact their PC plans.
I'd be stunned if Sony decides to ignore PC's biggest storefront because of such a small stake in Epic.
Agree that I could have elaborated more since the post clearly caused confusion. I will do so below. That being said:
I did not literally say this. Full stop. You and other posters inferred this. Feel free to bold anything you'd like.
If Sony put their games on PC, I would likely play them there, or at least consider playing them there instead of PlayStation. Hence, the PlayStation console loses some value to me. This is the simplest way I can possibly put it that is true to my original reply.
They're saying Horizon Zero Dawn made an additional 7.5 million because it was priced at $50 instead of $60.
That would be amazing but I doubt it. If GOW drops on PC a won't even bother with a PS5 this gen.
It also doesn't make sense, EPIC would pay for "exclusives" (probably a lot more than $50m depending on what Sony port, they have some huge fucking games, I'm sure EPIC would jump at if offered). Sony investing in them for a small stake, so that potential future games being EGS exclusive gives them probably next to unnoticable gains is just stupid. Nevermind that the EPIC investment wasn't a PlayStation thing, but more for Sony Pictures and Music.
If Sony's games go EGS exclusive, it's far more likely due to EPIC paying for them.
Your words?
I don't even need to argue this, your post from the Godfall threads paints the picture of what "value" in exclusivity is to you:
These are your words. Own them.
Yes please! It's been a little frustrating seeing Miles Morales asking if we want raytracing OR 60fps, knowing that my PC could do both.
I would love to see more PlayStation games look as good as they possibly can, like Death Stranding and HZD in ultrawide.
I would love to see more PlayStation games look as good as they possibly can, like Death Stranding and HZD in ultrawide.
They finally got AF working in the last update.
It's a decent port now. Decent.
Sounds good to get more of the Sony exclusives on PC. If they start coming day dot or even close to 6 months after launch on PS5, I would be less likely to get the next generation after this one and just invest the money saved into a better PC
Yup, the high end PC market is pretty small, especially on the high end. I hope Sony don't waste too much time and effort pandering to it.
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That's exactly why Sony should not be doing this. They don't want to be merely some third party publisher on Steam.
But they are not going to be? Like what? I mean for a whole variety of reasons, launching their games on PC is not going to hurt their business (in fact it will add to it) yet alone be the death of the console and they will be relegated to a third party publisher on steam like you make out.
People will still buy consoles - them moving their library onto PC will not kill their console business - it hasn't for Xbox and it won't for Sony. Xbox first party has been killing the steam charts lately and it would be easy money to chuck on some of their exclusives. Sony very likely don't make any money (in fact they would likely either make only a slight profit or a slight loss) from me if I purchased a PS5 at launch, they would be happy that more users can purchase their software.
This is an unproven argument tbh. The Xbox One had a problematic launch, despite being poised to have exclusive content. It was roughly mid-gen that MS initiated their Play Anywhere program. As a result, it's unclear whether their console business was notably affected by the latter. The Series X/S are launching with a lot of positive word of mouth as well as the clear message that all first-party games will launch simultaneously on PC. If it's successful, and by that I mean if it achieves Xbox 360-like success, the "people will still buy consoles" argument would certainly hold merit.
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They're clearly different markets - there will be an effect, for sure, but there will always be a majority of people that prefer the convenience and TV-centric aspects of console gaming (not to mention the cost).
7.5 million at 50 dollars per game factoring in the 30% revenue split with Steam (just ignoring the existence of EGS for now) would mean around 200,000 sales. This was the most wishlisted game on Steam prior to its launch. It sold more than that. They are clearly saying the "aggressive" pricing on Horizon (50USD as opposed to 60USD) netted them an estimated 7.5 million than they would have expected with a full price release. This is why the sentence with the 7.5 million figure mentions that it's based on an analysis.
The admittedly not so reliable SteamSpy has it at 500-1000k sales, so even using their most conservative estimate and not factoring in things like EGS or the tiered revenue model on Steam would give around 18 million in revenue so far.
Edit: I'd update the title because it's clear people defensive about exclusives are not quite understanding what's going on because of it.
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You read my mind man, they should invest those 7,5 M into making that 60 fps patch on PS5 and PC/
If they did, yes. PC online features will never be locked behind a paywall.
Yes. Bloodborne would make a lot of money, and it isn't going to sell any more PlayStations.
I could actually see Sony really beefing up their PC offerings. Once their major exclusive titles start to peak on PlayStation before starting to fade in sales they can add an extra injection of life by releasing them on to PC with the hopefully expected graphical options. I could even imagine AMD and Sony partnering together to show off new and upcoming GPU's playing Sony titles such as Horizon or something then saying it'll come optimised for AMD cards and you'll get a download code for the game when you purchase the card. Makes sense. Sony and AMD continue to develop their relationship.
Ooph. I don't see how this user could think their words could be viewed any other way. They literally say that exclusive access is part of the value of a console and that having the games available elsewhere is a reduction of that value . . . And that they wish Godfall was exclusive for longer. Then they say other users are misinterpreting what they said? Uuuuh, what?
The PC market generally doesn't take shit. Horizon was an absolutely abysmal port at launch. Estimates for Death Stranding actually put it well above those estimated Horizon numbers and at a higher price despite it being a more niche game. Why? Because the port of Death Stranding is excellent and the port of Horizon straight up sucks.
This was a painfully obvious dry sarcastic joke about how meaningless timed exclusivity is. Which I've also stated before.
But it's all good. I will be sure to include plenty of */s* and *I own and play multiple platforms* disclaimers from now on so as not to rile anyone up. Exclusives are clearly a sensitive topic.
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