Makes me worry that instead of learning from this experience Sony will use this as an example of why BC isn't important. I mean, they probably think "we don't give a shit about our own history, so why should you?"
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PlayStation Classic drops to $59.99.
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Yeah, in my eyes this could have been a success. As huge as the Nintendo ones? Maybe? Maybe not, but he definitely would have been better had they not completely screwed the pooch on the execution. Wow.
But I was told the average consumer is stupid and doesn't care about emulation quality and therefore would still buy it en masse.
In reality since we knew about the shitshow that is this thing it was obvious it'd fail.
In reality since we knew about the shitshow that is this thing it was obvious it'd fail.
Because, again, units sold isn't an absolute measure of culture. And thus not an airtight argument for nostalgia. This isn't really hard to follow.
Now it's looking like a Boxing Day price drop from Sony rather than some retailers desperately trying to get the thing out of their sight, it's a final kick in the teeth to that one kid who had to look happy at receiving one of these yesterday.
Bad emulation though.
NES and SNES roms are alos very small files and very easy for testing purposes etc.
Of course there are more factors, but I would argue units sold is the most important factor when measuring nostalgia potential.
And it may seem on ERA and game forums that nostalgia for NES, SNES is higher but the internet is not the real world of course.
And are played by millions and millions more people.
I'm willing to bet more people have played an NES game than played a PS1 game. More people have probably even played SMB1 than a PS1 game tbh.
I'm pretty sure the debacle of this product has little to do with emulation quality.
It might simply be that the mainstream audience doesn't have much concentrated on nostalgia on PS1 per se or doesn't feel like spending so much for such a bad selection of games.
SMB1? Could be.
But that's all speculation of course.
These are the facts: PSX destroyed NES, SNES and N64 in global sales.
Nah it definitely has a lot to do with the terrible word of mouth that comes in big part because of the emulation quality.
are you just going to ignore the fact that people get nostalgic for old things? i'll let you decide if NES makes people more nostalgic or PS1.
ok, then just say this. no kne would disagree, and i know how much you love bringing up ps1's sales at random. just don't relate it to nostalgia.
Why do you say destroyed and not just outsold?
But what does it matter anyway, the Classic did worse than the Minis in comparison, it's objectively the worse product and is already discounted. The Minis "destroyed" the Classic.
The audience towards which the product is targeted doesn't even know what "emulation" is, trust me. I've worked with retailing and the average consumers doesn't really understand such things. Not saying it wasn't a factor among a more dedicated audience but it definitely wasn't among the mainstream.
And yet NES and SNES seem to be destroying PlayStation in Classic sales. Which probably makes the better argument whose nostalgia is actually stronger. And supports the reasonings I laid out earlier (clones, emulation, cultural zeitgeist) for why simple official sales figures not being the best measure for that.
Because Playstation humiliated Nintendo and destroyed the competition, this seems to still be a weak spot for nintendo fanboys to admit. Buy hey if you're not a nintendo fanboy then why does my (accurate) choice of words bother you?
And yes the PSX classic sucks. I have no trouble looking at the truth.
For those calling it a failure it's still the 35th best selling gaming item on Amazon UK for 2018, just behind Far Cry 5 and ahead of Detroit and Monster Hunter World. The sales are likely a consequence of high production based on the pre-orders which reduced on release rather than "nobody wants it".
They'll know the pre-orders were huge and interest dropped as details emerged. It shouldn't be too much of a stretch to think they'll understand from this that the audience likes the concept but requires it to be done well.
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It looks like could be a better Pi at that price but I wonder if mod community even bothers with this thing anyway
Lol, the PSX classic had ton of shit reviews and a lackluster choice of games, no shit it wouldn't sell Sherlock.
And lol at people being upset that PSX probably has more people being nostalgic for it than NES and SNES. Check your inner fanboy guys.
I don't think people are upset, they just disagree with a lot of points you are trying to make.
Like you said, the internet isn't real world. The mass market is rejecting the PSC, that probably speaks to bigger issues than emulation hiccups a casual player likely wouldn't notice.
Also you can stop projecting with the "lol upset fanboy" garbage. It's transparent.
User Banned (5 days): System warring and antagonising other members over multiple posts. Accumulated infractions.
Then stop acting like an upset fanboy.
And we'll see in a couple of months if a price drop will do anything for sales. ( I hope not, this product deserves to fail)
Nothing like a good old ad hominem when you don't like facts huh?
Why are you getting so upset over this? It's not worth the toxic slant and insults, you'll just get yourself banned that way.
And given it's had the price slashed by 40% only 2 weeks after launch, I'd venture to say it's already failed.
i chuckled at this description. I think you're serious, but this comes out almost as a punchline with all the descriptors. /Clap
So you guys are upset because I used the word "destroyed"? A bit fragile are we now?
Anyway I'll leave it be, this doesn't go anywhere. Agree to disagree. (btw I love my NES and SNES mini)
people are really overestimating the effect of the bad emulation, and kinda overestimating effect of game selection. i think the appeal of this product was pretty limited (or at least, way more limited than NES and SNES classic) from the moment the idea was conceived. now of course with perfect emulation and 20 stone cold classics included it would have sold a lot better to video game enthusiasts, but those weren't the only ones who got nintendo's classics and made them a success. nintendo has for the past 30 years respected and maintained their legacy and history, and kept a lot of the series that are represented on their classic consoles relevant. sony pretty much starts each generation fresh with new series and doesn't care a lot about their legacy. of course that's a big plus for some and the reason why a lot of ps fans are ps fans, they like the fact that sony is always about new ideas and experiences, but in this not-so-important instance, that works against sony because most of those fans don't have nostalgia for the first playstation console and its games like people have for the first nintendo consoles and their games.
I don't think telling you seem to be really, really over-excited over decades old consoles sale qualifies as an ad hominem, you might want to grab a dictionary there.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking... Would be cool if it gets a decent port of an OS like Linux or Android so it can be used for more than just emulating games. But if it doesn't sell well then the chance of it getting good homebrew support is slim.
If you hack it to:
1) Increase the storage and curate your own game library
2) Replace the included games with all NTSC versions and run with the NTSC region selected
3) Double the resolution (which takes away the horrible bilinear filtering)
4) Give yourself controller-bound access to not only the main menu of the PS Classic but the secret emulator menu for advanced settings
Then it is actually an absolutely fantastic little device.
The best part about hacking PS Classics is you just need a thumbdrive formatted to FAT32 (not exFAT) -- nothing to it, really. People are even having luck with their PS-to-USB controller adapters giving them dualshock support.
I mean, to be honest there was a lot missing on the SNES Classic too, but once you hack it and customize it to your liking it becomes quite an ultimate way to enjoy the library given the aesthetics of the hardware and software and the original controller being in your hands again. If you liked the PS1 library, you should pick this up, and checkout the BleemSync tool and visit the PS Classic reddit. It's well worth the value, then.
Customizing these little guys was always the name of the game, it's just that the improvements are more necessary than ever with the PS Classic.
P.S. It just got Retroarch support with 91 cores running: https://www.reddit.com/r/Playstatio...aystation_classic_boot_menu_psc_retroarch_91/
1) Increase the storage and curate your own game library
2) Replace the included games with all NTSC versions and run with the NTSC region selected
3) Double the resolution (which takes away the horrible bilinear filtering)
4) Give yourself controller-bound access to not only the main menu of the PS Classic but the secret emulator menu for advanced settings
Then it is actually an absolutely fantastic little device.
The best part about hacking PS Classics is you just need a thumbdrive formatted to FAT32 (not exFAT) -- nothing to it, really. People are even having luck with their PS-to-USB controller adapters giving them dualshock support.
I mean, to be honest there was a lot missing on the SNES Classic too, but once you hack it and customize it to your liking it becomes quite an ultimate way to enjoy the library given the aesthetics of the hardware and software and the original controller being in your hands again. If you liked the PS1 library, you should pick this up, and checkout the BleemSync tool and visit the PS Classic reddit. It's well worth the value, then.
Customizing these little guys was always the name of the game, it's just that the improvements are more necessary than ever with the PS Classic.
P.S. It just got Retroarch support with 91 cores running: https://www.reddit.com/r/Playstatio...aystation_classic_boot_menu_psc_retroarch_91/
I hope to see comparison videos soon of pcsx rearmed running from retroarch because the performance of the stock port is worse than pcsx rearmed on an SNES mini which should not be the case considering the hardware.